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#201
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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

that is just one of the endings, not canon .


Not canon for the ones who didn't do the DR, of course.
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Right Valandi.

For Example, if I say My City elf Warden taken the US. That canon in my game. My warden s dead, some other uptight fellow taken over my job.

That will be reflected in DA2.


If your Warden sacrificed himself/herself, then the story is over.


They could of continued the warden's story. But Bioware rushed into DA2, and the quickest way was to start a new character from scratch.


That was never the plan. In all the interviews leading to the release of DAO. They stated that Dragon AGe was not about one person ala Mass Effect but about Thedas during the "Age of Dragons". 

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OriginsIsBest

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Dr. wonderful wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

that is just one of the endings, not canon .


Not canon for the ones who didn't do the DR, of course.
.


Right Valandi.

For Example, if I say My City elf Warden taken the US. That canon in my game. My warden s dead, some other uptight fellow taken over my job.

That will be reflected in DA2.


If your Warden sacrificed himself/herself, then the story is over.


They could of continued the warden's story. But Bioware rushed into DA2, and the quickest way was to start a new character from scratch.


...Why? The blight over.

The warden doesn't need to be limited to the blight, in Origins your main goal was the blight, but you did different things to get there. after Origins...warden's keep, golems of amgarrak, stone prisoner...Awakening, they didn't really have anything to do with the blight. They where involed around the blight, sure. Bioware could of done lots more exciting things with the warden's story if they made a PROPER SEQUEL. I bet money on it...that what ever Hawke's quest is, the warden could of did that too. If it just happened after the blight.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

that is just one of the endings, not canon .


Not canon for the ones who didn't do the DR, of course.
.


Right Valandi.

For Example, if I say My City elf Warden taken the US. That canon in my game. My warden s dead, some other uptight fellow taken over my job.

That will be reflected in DA2.


If your Warden sacrificed himself/herself, then the story is over.


They could of continued the warden's story.


He died.

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MerrickShep wrote...

Honestly perhaps the true antagonist of the entire Dragon Age world is Flemeth. Who knows how long she/it has been around maybe she was one who brought the Darkspawn about in the first place. Hawke will probably have some kind of conflict with her and realize he cannot win and then your Warden, Morrigan and your Son return to destroy her


Thats what I'm really hoping for. Perhaps Hawke is sort of a pawn in this grand plan Flemeth seems to be setting in motion. Honestly i always thought it would be interesting if Flemeths life stretched back to the time when the first darkspawn were created. The whole subject of the black city is pretty fascinating 

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MerrickShep wrote...

Honestly perhaps the true antagonist of the entire Dragon Age world is Flemeth. Who knows how long she/it has been around maybe she was one who brought the Darkspawn about in the first place. Hawke will probably have some kind of conflict with her and realize he cannot win and then your Warden, Morrigan and your Son return to destroy her


Well she is an interesting character to keep around, and they would be stupid to let Hawke kill her off for good in DA2. I think that job belongs to Morrigan. Epic Morrigan & Flemeth showdown FTW.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

that is just one of the endings, not canon .


Not canon for the ones who didn't do the DR, of course.
.


Right Valandi.

For Example, if I say My City elf Warden taken the US. That canon in my game. My warden s dead, some other uptight fellow taken over my job.

That will be reflected in DA2.


If your Warden sacrificed himself/herself, then the story is over.


They could of continued the warden's story. But Bioware rushed into DA2, and the quickest way was to start a new character from scratch.


...Why? The blight over.

The warden doesn't need to be limited to the blight, in Origins your main goal was the blight, but you did different things to get there. after Origins...warden's keep, golems of amgarrak, stone prisoner...Awakening, they didn't really have anything to do with the blight. They where involed around the blight, sure. Bioware could of done lots more exciting things with the warden's story if they made a PROPER SEQUEL. I bet money on it...that what ever Hawke's quest is, the warden could of did that too. If it just happened after the blight.


Yes, yes but you forgot one teeny Tiny detail.

Hawke Quest began the same time as around  The warden quest.  No way the warden can do both as well.

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Dr. wonderful wrote...

...Why? The blight over.

I have to agree with this.


Really, what much more is there to tell about the Warden? They've already overcome the greatest challenge they're going to face in their lives. They already slayed the dragon, saved the world, and swept the love of their life off their feet. To continue the Warden's story past this point would be akin to continuing Shepard's story after the Reapers have been thwarted. Amusing, but what's the point? What else is there for that particular character to endure that could rank with their fight to save the world? The continued fight with the darkspawn? That was already covered in Awakening. What happened with the God Child? Sorry, but in 90% of my playthroughs that child was never even conceived. And even in the one playthrough where it happened, my Warden has absolutely no interest in interacting with either Morrigan or her child. Some miscellaneous problem in a distant country beyond Ferelden? Sorry, but what makes you think the Warden is the more logical choice to handle those issues instead of a fresh character who might have more stake in those particular issues?

What logic reason is there to keep on focusing on the Warden? A reason that can be applied to all Wardens regardless of the choices they made? I'm drawing a blank.

Modifié par Nyaore, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:11 .


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

that is just one of the endings, not canon .


Not canon for the ones who didn't do the DR, of course.
.


Right Valandi.

For Example, if I say My City elf Warden taken the US. That canon in my game. My warden s dead, some other uptight fellow taken over my job.

That will be reflected in DA2.


If your Warden sacrificed himself/herself, then the story is over.


They could of continued the warden's story.


He died.

 I like how you edited my post. Posted Image
You could of easily played as an Orlesian warden, or a new Ferelden warden, if you did the US.

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But Morrigan warns the Orlesian warden that they need to be ready. I can't recall the exact language she uses.

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Dr. wonderful wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

that is just one of the endings, not canon .


Not canon for the ones who didn't do the DR, of course.
.


Right Valandi.

For Example, if I say My City elf Warden taken the US. That canon in my game. My warden s dead, some other uptight fellow taken over my job.

That will be reflected in DA2.


If your Warden sacrificed himself/herself, then the story is over.


They could of continued the warden's story. But Bioware rushed into DA2, and the quickest way was to start a new character from scratch.


...Why? The blight over.

The warden doesn't need to be limited to the blight, in Origins your main goal was the blight, but you did different things to get there. after Origins...warden's keep, golems of amgarrak, stone prisoner...Awakening, they didn't really have anything to do with the blight. They where involed around the blight, sure. Bioware could of done lots more exciting things with the warden's story if they made a PROPER SEQUEL. I bet money on it...that what ever Hawke's quest is, the warden could of did that too. If it just happened after the blight.


Yes, yes but you forgot one teeny Tiny detail.

Hawke Quest began the same time as around  The warden quest.  No way the warden can do both as well.

 I already mentioned that....look again.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

MerrickShep wrote...

Honestly perhaps the true antagonist of the entire Dragon Age world is Flemeth. Who knows how long she/it has been around maybe she was one who brought the Darkspawn about in the first place. Hawke will probably have some kind of conflict with her and realize he cannot win and then your Warden, Morrigan and your Son return to destroy her


Well she is an interesting character to keep around, and they would be stupid to let Hawke kill her off for good in DA2. I think that job belongs to Morrigan. Epic Morrigan & Flemeth showdown FTW.


I think epic showdown like Morinth And Samara except way, way, way more epic.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

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Gaider said that the dark ritual was the most important choice in Origins. So I hope we get to see the consequences of it.


We will. Eventually.


Just not in DA2....


I have to second Bryy's "And - ?" What, exactly, is your point? I'm sure it's hard moving on, but people kind of need to come to grips with the fact that the Warden's story and Morrigan's story is on the backburner for now. You don't need to like it or embrace Hawke if you don't want to, but it's time for another hero in Thedas to have his/her moment in the sun. Everyone's pointed out that DG said we'll get our answers eventually, just not right away. Patience, anyone? Meanwhile, if you want to deprive yourself of what could very well be a good story that's your right.

I loved the Dark Tower series, but do you know how long it took for Stephen King to get around to the final books? YEARS! I even wrote a paper related to the Dark Tower & references to one of the main characters in other King books because I loved it THAT much (yes, Stephen King is a weakness of mine - I like horror, so sue me <.< ). Even after the last books of the Dark Tower were out, it was only a couple of years after their release that I finally read them. You're talking about waiting somewhere around 25+ years to find out what the ending to a story was. And you know what happened when I finally got to read that ending? I didn't get the kind of closure that I wanted (or thought I wanted).



*** WARNING DARK TOWER SPOILER - IF YOU EVER PLANNED ON READING IT, STOP NOW ***



The main character, Roland, didn't even get the answers that HE wanted. Roland wanted to reach the top of the Tower, thinking he would find out what was up there and would be able to question whoever/whatever was in the room at the top. However, when he went through the final door, he found himself on what might be described as a karmic hamster wheel. He appeared to be doomed to repeat his life over and over, experiencing every mistake/failure/choice he made during the course of his quest to reach the Tower. That being said, there was a note of hope implied when he recovered his father's horn that he had thought lost forever. However, if anyone expected some sort of conventional ending with everything explained & Roland finally happy - that's not what any of us got (the story really ended exactly where it began: in the desert :P ).

Ultimately, it didn't bother me, because it was an ending even if it wasn't the one that I wanted. I understood that it was the author's right to tell his story, not mine to make demands about what I wanted from him, demands that he create a "happy" ending and tie up all the loose ends. Honestly, I think people do just need to display a modicum of patience. You might wait a couple of years for and ending to the Warden's tale, but I doubt you'll be waiting 25+ years for it (and even if you did, I would hope it's because the franchise is still amazing & going strong :P ).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:14 .


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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

that is just one of the endings, not canon .


Not canon for the ones who didn't do the DR, of course.
.


Right Valandi.

For Example, if I say My City elf Warden taken the US. That canon in my game. My warden s dead, some other uptight fellow taken over my job.

That will be reflected in DA2.


If your Warden sacrificed himself/herself, then the story is over.


They could of continued the warden's story. But Bioware rushed into DA2, and the quickest way was to start a new character from scratch.


...Why? The blight over.

The warden doesn't need to be limited to the blight, in Origins your main goal was the blight, but you did different things to get there. after Origins...warden's keep, golems of amgarrak, stone prisoner...Awakening, they didn't really have anything to do with the blight. They where involed around the blight, sure. Bioware could of done lots more exciting things with the warden's story if they made a PROPER SEQUEL. I bet money on it...that what ever Hawke's quest is, the warden could of did that too. If it just happened after the blight.


Yes, yes but you forgot one teeny Tiny detail.

Hawke Quest began the same time as around  The warden quest.  No way the warden can do both as well.

 I already mentioned that....look again.


No, it happen at the same time.

Hawke is doing his thing, thw Warden is doing their.

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The thing is, theres so many possible outcomes in Origins with regards to the Warden so rather than try to bridge those outcomes into another story, they opted to start anew with Hawke. I'm not chastising them for doing so, but they certainly could have made a sequel featuring the warden if they really wanted to. This whole idea of no-canon is also pretty frustrating; it makes a proper sequel with the warden nearly impossible due to the numerous outcomes but at the same time I think bioware should be prepared to handle them... I just hope the choices you made in Origins are present in DA2 and actually have an impact. Not just the names of whose king, whose ruling the dwarves etc.

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soundchaser721 wrote...

The thing is, theres so many possible outcomes in Origins with regards to the Warden so rather than try to bridge those outcomes into another story, they opted to start anew with Hawke. I'm not chastising them for doing so, but they certainly could have made a sequel featuring the warden if they really wanted to. This whole idea of no-canon is also pretty frustrating; it makes a proper sequel with the warden nearly impossible due to the numerous outcomes but at the same time I think bioware should be prepared to handle them... I just hope the choices you made in Origins are present in DA2 and actually have an impact. Not just the names of whose king, whose ruling the dwarves etc.


What I remember from PAX, Gaider did mention that the large choices like whatever the Mage get a boon will happen.

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@Dr. Oblivious



I mentioned the time difference, plus that's not the point. The point is that the warden's story doesn't have to be about a blight. As I just pointed out.

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Nyaore wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

...Why? The blight over.

I have to agree with this.


Really, what much more is there to tell about the Warden? They've already overcome the greatest challenge they're going to face in their lives. They already slayed the dragon, saved the world, and swept the love of their life off their feet. To continue the Warden's story past this point would be akin to continuing Shepard's story after the Reapers have been thwarted. Amusing, but what's the point? What else is there for that particular character to endure that could rank with their fight to save the world? The continued fight with the darkspawn? That was already covered in Awakening. What happened with the God Child? Sorry, but in 90% of my playthroughs that child was never even conceived. And even in the one playthrough where it happened, my Warden has absolutely no interest in interacting with either Morrigan or her child. Some miscellaneous problem in a distant country beyond Ferelden? Sorry, but what makes you think the Warden is the more logical choice to handle those issues instead of a fresh character who might have more stake in those particular issues?

What logic reason is there to keep on focusing on the Warden? A reason that can be applied to all Wardens regardless of the choices they made? I'm drawing a blank.


This is precisely my feeling on the matter. Barring some zomgreveal in Dragon Age 2, which is possible I suppose, there's just not much left to tell. Even Awakenings felt sort of meh because yeah, there was a threat to take care of and you had to run stuff and whatever, but it still had the problem of "Well, it's no Blight, at least!" Any story you do with the Warden is going to have that problem now, I think.

I only had one warden playthrough where the guy might've given a crap about Morrigan and their baby. But ultimately when I played through Witch Hunt with him ... he didn't go with her. It was in character for how I played him all along, it gave me a bittersweet ending. But the thing is, it felt an "ending." The ending of "they are together/they are not together" that they hadn't gotten like the other romance options. Why people expected this DLC to sit down and basically spoil any potential plot developments that would need an entire new game to explore properly, I will never understand.

Yes, of course I want to know what she left beside the book and where the portal goes and stuff, but I'm also aware that since they introduced the damn concept in the first place, it will likely get answered down the road. I guess I mostly just don't get this I WANT ALL THE ANSWERS NOW NOW NOW footstomping.

Modifié par Sjofn, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:23 .


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soundchaser721 wrote...

The thing is, theres so many possible outcomes in Origins with regards to the Warden so rather than try to bridge those outcomes into another story, they opted to start anew with Hawke. I'm not chastising them for doing so, but they certainly could have made a sequel featuring the warden if they really wanted to. This whole idea of no-canon is also pretty frustrating; it makes a proper sequel with the warden nearly impossible due to the numerous outcomes but at the same time I think bioware should be prepared to handle them... I just hope the choices you made in Origins are present in DA2 and actually have an impact. Not just the names of whose king, whose ruling the dwarves etc.


I agree. Well said. Posted Image

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

@Dr. Oblivious

I mentioned the time difference, plus that's not the point. The point is that the warden's story doesn't have to be about a blight. As I just pointed out.


Warden is dead and done with. The sequel is about Hawke and his journey. 

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http://social.biowar...5947/19#4760580

:innocent:

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

@Dr. Oblivious

I mentioned the time difference, plus that's not the point. The point is that the warden's story doesn't have to be about a blight. As I just pointed out.


Now is there a reason to insult someone?

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Phoenixblight wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

@Dr. Oblivious

I mentioned the time difference, plus that's not the point. The point is that the warden's story doesn't have to be about a blight. As I just pointed out.


Warden is dead and done with. The sequel is about Hawke and his journey. 

 
No that's your story. My warden is not dead, he is alive. The sequel is about Hawke yes. It doesn't mean that the warden is gone for good, he could return in DA3 OR DA4 ect.

Many peoples wardens are still alive, because they want to import them into DLC content and Awakening. The people that tell me their wardens are dead, are the people that want me to accept Hawke.

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Flurdt07 wrote...

http://social.biowar...5947/19#4760580

:innocent:


Woah...holy crap. Posted Image

I feel sorry for him.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

@Dr. Oblivious

I mentioned the time difference, plus that's not the point. The point is that the warden's story doesn't have to be about a blight. As I just pointed out.

And as many others have pointed out, what's a good logical reason for them to continue with that character? What possible reason can you give me that would justify bringing the Warden back for yet another adventure? What makes them a better protagonist than a fresh character who might have more to do with the new conflict than the Warden?
Please, give me one good reason. I'm more than willing to hear it. One that makes sense in context for all possible Wardens, not just the one that you have created. Just saying 'but I want to see more!' is not good enough, at least not from a story telling perspective. A protagonist needs a stake in the conflict that they will be dealing with.

Modifié par Nyaore, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:30 .


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The warden could returned voiced, I wouldn't really care, as long as he/she comes back.