Well I'm about to start a playhthrough where I roleplay every decision. So when I get to Virmire, I'll send whoever seems to be the better leader with the salarains. The thing is, I can't really decide which squadmate would be the better leader. I've heard arguments for Kaidan because he is a higher rank, but at the same time, it seems as though it would be best to bring him to arm the bomb. And when it comes to the decision, i'll be going back to thebomb to ensure it goes off. I know the decision doesn't really matter, considering they both can accomplish both roles, but I'm doing this for roleplaying purposes.
Thoughts?
Roleplaying-wise, who do you think is the best to send with the salarians on Virmire?
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 06:02
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You can pretty easily justify either character from a role playing perspective. You can easily decide on Kaiden due to his higher rank, but Ash is a very competent senior NCO and a soldier.
My best advice would be just to play the game and let the choice make itself when you get there.
My best advice would be just to play the game and let the choice make itself when you get there.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 07:56
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Kaiden has the technical expertise to oversee the nuke, and Ash has the squad combat experience an STG cell is likely lacking - I'm sure they're excellent spies, but they don't storm protected facilities much. While Ash has excellent technical scores and Kaiden is a competent combatant, they really come across to me as suited to those roles. Plus, under the assumption that Shepard doesn't know "Virmire" is also a verb, Shepard may want to get the Chief some experience working with aliens to try and shake up her ideas.
That's always been my rationale, anyway.
That's always been my rationale, anyway.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 08:28
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Yes, it indeed makes more sense to send Ashley with the salarians....But really, as the grey Ranger said, both decisions can be easily justified.
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 12:35
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I've rationalized both ways. Usually I send Ash with the Salarians and used Kaidan for the bomb.
1. Kaidan is a tech. As the squadmate sent with the bomb seems to also be the one who arms the bomb, makes sense to have him over the soldier Ashley. Plus, Ashley has been in the position of leadership, Mr. Bhatia says as much when he comments on Ashley leading his wife's squad. So Ash does also have experience in leading squads, which appears to be the role of the person sent with the salarians. Since the STG is the heavy combat group, a soldier is well suited for this role. Plus, good experience for Ash in dealing with aliens.
2. Kaidan is an officer. In the real world, officers are the liasons sent to work with foreign military. Just because he's a tech doesn't also take away from the fact that he is also a soldier. He will also have more experience coordinating teams than Ashley. In this scenario, I roleplay Ashley as simply being with the bomb to help defend the site while other techs are actually arming it.
When do I use one justification over the other? Depends on if I feel like going to the AA Tower or the bomb really. Makes more sense to me to go back to the bomb, but I do love to see the confrontation with Saren at the AA Tower. So if I feel like going back for the bomb and want a particular person to survive, then that's where I put them.
Oh, the first time I ever played the game, I knew one of the characters was going to die on Virmire, but didn't know how they were going to die. In that case, I used justification number 1 and didn't know who was going to come out in the end. Then I decided protecting the bomb was more important -- just because Kirrahe says very little will prevent it from going off once armed doesn't mean I believe him!
1. Kaidan is a tech. As the squadmate sent with the bomb seems to also be the one who arms the bomb, makes sense to have him over the soldier Ashley. Plus, Ashley has been in the position of leadership, Mr. Bhatia says as much when he comments on Ashley leading his wife's squad. So Ash does also have experience in leading squads, which appears to be the role of the person sent with the salarians. Since the STG is the heavy combat group, a soldier is well suited for this role. Plus, good experience for Ash in dealing with aliens.
2. Kaidan is an officer. In the real world, officers are the liasons sent to work with foreign military. Just because he's a tech doesn't also take away from the fact that he is also a soldier. He will also have more experience coordinating teams than Ashley. In this scenario, I roleplay Ashley as simply being with the bomb to help defend the site while other techs are actually arming it.
When do I use one justification over the other? Depends on if I feel like going to the AA Tower or the bomb really. Makes more sense to me to go back to the bomb, but I do love to see the confrontation with Saren at the AA Tower. So if I feel like going back for the bomb and want a particular person to survive, then that's where I put them.
Oh, the first time I ever played the game, I knew one of the characters was going to die on Virmire, but didn't know how they were going to die. In that case, I used justification number 1 and didn't know who was going to come out in the end. Then I decided protecting the bomb was more important -- just because Kirrahe says very little will prevent it from going off once armed doesn't mean I believe him!
Modifié par Pacifien, 11 septembre 2010 - 12:37 .
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 05:16
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I use to send the salarians the one that I'll choose to survive. It's always the one guarding the bomb that die in my game. I don't like killing the salarians too.D
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 06:04
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Christmas Ape wrote...
Kaiden has the technical expertise to oversee the nuke, and Ash has the squad combat experience an STG cell is likely lacking - I'm sure they're excellent spies, but they don't storm protected facilities much. While Ash has excellent technical scores and Kaiden is a competent combatant, they really come across to me as suited to those roles. Plus, under the assumption that Shepard doesn't know "Virmire" is also a verb, Shepard may want to get the Chief some experience working with aliens to try and shake up her ideas.
^ Yeah this. We know Ash is a good leader, we know Kaiden is a good tech. The salarians need a leader, the bomb needs a tech. The only time I ever send Ash to the bomb is when I want to hear what Kaiden has to say to the indoctinated salarians or have a hankering to haul Ash around in a fireman's carry. Not exactly high RP.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 01:33
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I usually send Ash with the salarians and leave Kaidan with the nuke. As others have mentioned, Kaidan has the technical expertise to set and arm the bomb, while Ashley, as a front-line soldier, is likely to do better in the diversionary assault team.
What I DON'T understand is why you didn't send ALL your remaining squad members with the diversionary teams.
You take two people with you, leave one person with the nuke, and send 3 remaining people with the salarians. I bet that if Garrus and Wrex had been with Ashley, they could have easily held off the geth attack while you went back to assist Kaidan.
What I DON'T understand is why you didn't send ALL your remaining squad members with the diversionary teams.
You take two people with you, leave one person with the nuke, and send 3 remaining people with the salarians. I bet that if Garrus and Wrex had been with Ashley, they could have easily held off the geth attack while you went back to assist Kaidan.
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 01:19
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I've done it both ways, but in my opinion, kaidan would likely be the better choice to send with the salarians, because as far as we know, the STG on virmire might not have any biotics with them, though it is possible.
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 09:49
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GlobalStrike wrote...
I've done it both ways, but in my opinion, kaidan would likely be the better choice to send with the salarians, because as far as we know, the STG on virmire might not have any biotics with them, though it is possible.
This was my reasoining. I figured a biotic wouls be very useful for the salarians. I remember in the codex somwhere that salarian biotics are very rare, and the few biotics they have are kept out of combat
Modifié par Akinra, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:51 .
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 09:52
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Is there any way to save kirrahe ?
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 11:29
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turian councilor Knockout wrote...
Is there any way to save kirrahe ?
I've never had him die on me, but that may be because I did a few things that made it easier on the Salarian teams: disrupt the satellite uplink on you way to base, kill the Geth fliers at the fuel station, and don't trigger alarms on the other side of the base, when you get to the security terminal.
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 11:33
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Valmarn wrote...
turian councilor Knockout wrote...
Is there any way to save kirrahe ?
I've never had him die on me, but that may be because I did a few things that made it easier on the Salarian teams: disrupt the satellite uplink on you way to base, kill the Geth fliers at the fuel station, and don't trigger alarms on the other side of the base, when you get to the security terminal.
Ok thanks i have always played it straightforward and only deactivated some AA guns so that may be the problem.
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Posté 15 septembre 2010 - 02:15
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Roleplayingwise I'd expect to have send Wrex and Ashley, while having Tali work on the bomb, helped/guarded by Kaiden while I took Liara and Garrus with me.
But because you have to ignore all the other squad members, I went with Ashley for the bomb, Kaiden for the nuke. Ashley is not a tech expert, but she is a combat expert wearing all my strongest armour with all my best guns. She gives the Salarians much better survivability than Kaiden.
But because you have to ignore all the other squad members, I went with Ashley for the bomb, Kaiden for the nuke. Ashley is not a tech expert, but she is a combat expert wearing all my strongest armour with all my best guns. She gives the Salarians much better survivability than Kaiden.
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Posté 15 septembre 2010 - 06:15
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I NEVER use Kaiden for a squad member once we get off Eden Prime, so he is usually the one that goes to the Salarians, because Ash is a squad mate unless I am playing Soldier.
Role Play is simply this, Kaiden is officer, and I thus liaison to the STG, I would not risk insulting the Salarians by NOT offering the Officer to lead them. He will have a better understanding of how to lead, and his biotics can greatly effect the battle in their favor. Ash then gets to guard/arm the bomb and since it can be moved, I always go back to protect it. We are told the bomb MUST be placed right there for it to work, and so it would be a shame if a Geth Ship loaded it up and moved it away before it exploded.
Role Play is simply this, Kaiden is officer, and I thus liaison to the STG, I would not risk insulting the Salarians by NOT offering the Officer to lead them. He will have a better understanding of how to lead, and his biotics can greatly effect the battle in their favor. Ash then gets to guard/arm the bomb and since it can be moved, I always go back to protect it. We are told the bomb MUST be placed right there for it to work, and so it would be a shame if a Geth Ship loaded it up and moved it away before it exploded.
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Posté 15 septembre 2010 - 02:19
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As others have said, one can roleplay it in many ways.
Increasing the salarians' survivability? Ash is tough and her weapons pack quite a punch, which compensates for the salarians somewhat (they seem to be in the role of spies / infiltrators less than soldiers). On the other hand, Kaidan's combination of tech, biotics, and medicine could protect and heal the injuries of a lot of people. He could basically make everyone's defences stronger, whereas Ash can make the offence stronger at one crucial point. Either works.
Similarly, one can view Kaidan as the natural choice for the bomb, because of his technical skills. Yet, if Shepard has technical skills as well (and 50% of the classes available to Shep fall into this category), s/he can also arm the bomb. (Okay, so s/he can't in the actual game, but s/he doesn't know things are going to turn out that way when s/he makes the initial decision.) Or, as Pacifien said, Ash can simply be viewed as the one defending the bomb from being disarmed.
Increasing the salarians' survivability? Ash is tough and her weapons pack quite a punch, which compensates for the salarians somewhat (they seem to be in the role of spies / infiltrators less than soldiers). On the other hand, Kaidan's combination of tech, biotics, and medicine could protect and heal the injuries of a lot of people. He could basically make everyone's defences stronger, whereas Ash can make the offence stronger at one crucial point. Either works.
Similarly, one can view Kaidan as the natural choice for the bomb, because of his technical skills. Yet, if Shepard has technical skills as well (and 50% of the classes available to Shep fall into this category), s/he can also arm the bomb. (Okay, so s/he can't in the actual game, but s/he doesn't know things are going to turn out that way when s/he makes the initial decision.) Or, as Pacifien said, Ash can simply be viewed as the one defending the bomb from being disarmed.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 05:20
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There are different viewpoints you can take:
Kaiden w/ the Salarians: Kaiden is an officer and has experience leading others, it's part of his job. He is also the 2IC of Shepard's Marines, so he can effectively act as a liaison. Lastly, he is less xenophobic than Ashley, so he is more likely to lead them effectively.
Ashley at the Bomb: She is a good soldier and would be an effective defense.
Ashley w/ the Salarians: She has been a leader for her squad on Eden Prime, and was a good one. She will follow orders and make nice with the Salarians and do what is necessary (remember she said that if Shepard told her to kiss a turian her answer would be "which cheek?"). She has combat abilities necessary for a fire squad that lacks any real heavy hitters.
Kaiden at the Bomb: Kaiden is a tech and is more likely to be able to deal with any mishaps that might come while activating the bomb.
So it's all a matter of point of view.
Kaiden w/ the Salarians: Kaiden is an officer and has experience leading others, it's part of his job. He is also the 2IC of Shepard's Marines, so he can effectively act as a liaison. Lastly, he is less xenophobic than Ashley, so he is more likely to lead them effectively.
Ashley at the Bomb: She is a good soldier and would be an effective defense.
Ashley w/ the Salarians: She has been a leader for her squad on Eden Prime, and was a good one. She will follow orders and make nice with the Salarians and do what is necessary (remember she said that if Shepard told her to kiss a turian her answer would be "which cheek?"). She has combat abilities necessary for a fire squad that lacks any real heavy hitters.
Kaiden at the Bomb: Kaiden is a tech and is more likely to be able to deal with any mishaps that might come while activating the bomb.
So it's all a matter of point of view.
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Posté 18 septembre 2010 - 09:22
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From a purely roleplaying standpoint, I would have assigned Kaidan to set up and protect the bomb. In the field, Kaidan was the closest thing Shepard had to an XO, so it makes sense to entrust such a sensitive and vital task to him. Plus, Ashley's skills are put to better use by sending her with the salarians than by keeping her at the bomb site.
From a non-roleplaying standpoint, however, I always sent the one I wanted to save with the salarians, because it makes more sense for Saren to hold Shepard up over the ledge of a high tower than over a puddle of water, and because if you leave whoever's guarding the bomb, they get a cinematic, whereas if you leave whoever went with the salarians, they don't get one.
From a non-roleplaying standpoint, however, I always sent the one I wanted to save with the salarians, because it makes more sense for Saren to hold Shepard up over the ledge of a high tower than over a puddle of water, and because if you leave whoever's guarding the bomb, they get a cinematic, whereas if you leave whoever went with the salarians, they don't get one.
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Posté 18 septembre 2010 - 10:27
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I send Kaiden with the Salarians because of the biotics and i also find it right for the solider to die with the bomb, for some reason. And i always like saving the Salarians.
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Posté 18 septembre 2010 - 11:26
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LOL!Christmas Ape wrote...
Kaiden has the technical expertise to oversee the nuke, and Ash has the squad combat experience an STG cell is likely lacking - I'm sure they're excellent spies, but they don't storm protected facilities much. While Ash has excellent technical scores and Kaiden is a competent combatant, they really come across to me as suited to those roles. Plus, under the assumption that Shepard doesn't know "Virmire" is also a verb, Shepard may want to get the Chief some experience working with aliens to try and shake up her ideas.
That's always been my rationale, anyway.
But yes, I agree. That's my rationale as well.
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 12:39
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I usually send Ash with the salarians, but I have no problem with sending Kai. For me the big question is: why should I go to the AA tower?
I went there once just to see what happens, but I don't see any logical reason to go there,since defending the bomb is more important in a role-play view.
I went there once just to see what happens, but I don't see any logical reason to go there,since defending the bomb is more important in a role-play view.
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 11:22
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I think it can go either way, honestly. Ashley is a gunnery chief, so I think she can handle the nuke (though I'm not in the military). On the other hand the salarians will be assaulting the main enemy forces and Ashley is a good frontline fighter.
At the same time though, your team-mates role there is to help coordinate the teams, not necessarily lead in the thick of combat. So Kaidan makes sense too. He is after all a commission officer and is used to leading men as lieutenant. Then again as a sentinel he also has the knowledge to arm the nuke.
Like I said though, I think it can go either way. Ultimately I decided to save Ashley with my Shepard because in a ME2 in which the Council did not survive Ashley being alive flows better with the universe. (otherwise you get some news reports that sort of conflict with the current state of the galaxy)
My Shepard always defends the bomb, and so to keep everything consistent in the next game I send Ashley to the bomb.
At the same time though, your team-mates role there is to help coordinate the teams, not necessarily lead in the thick of combat. So Kaidan makes sense too. He is after all a commission officer and is used to leading men as lieutenant. Then again as a sentinel he also has the knowledge to arm the nuke.
Like I said though, I think it can go either way. Ultimately I decided to save Ashley with my Shepard because in a ME2 in which the Council did not survive Ashley being alive flows better with the universe. (otherwise you get some news reports that sort of conflict with the current state of the galaxy)
My Shepard always defends the bomb, and so to keep everything consistent in the next game I send Ashley to the bomb.
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 04:42
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PetrySilva wrote...
I usually send Ash with the salarians, but I have no problem with sending Kai. For me the big question is: why should I go to the AA tower?
The scene where Saren grabs you by the throat and holds you over the edge is cooler than over the water I guess.
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Posté 19 septembre 2010 - 05:05
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Ashley seems like a more sensible choice because as a soldier, she can probably "hold the line" better than Kaiden and the Salarians. Plus I'm sure most of the guys in Kirrahe's team are tech heavy, so they play more of a support role, while Ashley takes to the front lines. Kaiden is a sentinel, another support class in ME1, so the Salarians wouldn't have enough strength to take on the geth.
