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[Spirited Treasure]

Not sure where to put this ...

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I'm playing through for the first time as a human male.

I'm noticing an  immediate difference of dialog..


For instance as male human I'm noticed as being "young lord" I'm called
Lord, and able to vocalize to Morrigan that I am a noble.

With Alistair I was able to tell Morrigan to "Leave him alone" when she picks at him upon first entry of Lothering.
I know there are also some instances where males can ask for a kiss as payment (during Redcliff quests)

I am sure there are others..

Is my female noble human less noble than her male counterpart? My female
does not ever have the option to tell Morrigan to "leave him alone."

Also when Flemeth says "what do you believe?"

As a male I had the option to say " I believe you have something I need."

What's up with that? 

Modifié par Spirited Treasure, 12 septembre 2010 - 02:04 .

[Spirited Treasure]

It's really turning me off from this game.

[caradoc2000]

I am not quite sure what is the problem - male and female options differ, yes, but the differences are for the most part minor.

[Spirited Treasure]

Maybe to you they are minor. To me they are major. Why can't a female say to Flemeth " I believe you have something I need?"



?????

[Spirited Treasure]

Maybe to you they are minor. To me they are major. Why can't a female say to Flemeth " I believe you have something I need?"

?????

[caradoc2000]

I'm afraid you'll just have to bite the bullet.

[Spirited Treasure]

Meaning what?

Males are NOT superior to females!

[caradoc2000]

Meaning there is not much you can do about it. So why not just sit back and enjoy the game as it is.



What you can do is voice your opinion for the sequels in the DA2 forums.

[Spirited Treasure]

I believe your only purpose in this thread was to antagonize..

There is plenty  I can do. Starting with not supporting their company and putting you on ignore!
Thirdly I can report this thread.

Have a nice life.

[ShadowPlay 14]

Lol, chill out, what is the cunning score for each of these characters? When I pllayed a cunning rogue, I noticed that I had more dialogue options, may be based on that.

[Cariborne]

Cunning adds more dialogue, AND in the era that the game is based in, Men ARE superior to Women.



Sure, you're a Grey Warden and highly respected, but rarely anyone else is, Wenches, are everywhere. They're even mentioned in the beginning of the Human Origin. Look at how few Female Soliders there are? I can think of what... 3? There's a few Rogues though, but they're not "Superior, Nobles" or anything they're barrel scrapers. If you're angry the Male having different conversation choices then female, you're way to easily angered, Females get things that Males don't as well. Deal with it, and stop crying that the game isn't equal for every Race/class/Origin.

[errant_knight]

Spirited Treasure wrote...

Not sure where to put this ...

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I'm playing through for the first time as a human male.

I'm noticing an  immediate difference of dialog..


For instance as male human I'm noticed as being "young lord" I'm called
Lord, and able to vocalize to Morrigan that I am a noble.

With Alistair I was able to tell Morrigan to "Leave him alone" when she picks at him upon first entry of Lothering.
I know there are also some instances where males can ask for a kiss as payment (during Redcliff quests)

I am sure there are others..

Is my female noble human less noble than her male counterpart? My female
does not ever have the option to tell Morrigan to "leave him alone."

Also when Flemeth says "what do you believe?"

As a male I had the option to say " I believe you have something I need."

What's up with that? 

You can tell Morrigan to leave him alone as a female. You can say most things as either gender, and dialogue is mainly available based on cunning, not gender. There are small differences that are appropriate to gender difference, and very small changes meant to add to replayability by getting slightly different dialogue with different characters. Bioware is probably the best company out there for gender inclusiveness, so your criticism here is wildly misplaced, in my opinion. There were a couple of iffy jokes, but they were the work of a female writer, so...there ya go. 

I reported you, too Serious Beatdown. That kind of crap has no place here.

Modifié par errant_knight, 15 septembre 2010 - 09:07 .

[rayvioletta]

ShadowPlay 14 wrote...

Lol, chill out, what is the cunning score for each of these characters? When I pllayed a cunning rogue, I noticed that I had more dialogue options, may be based on that.

this is indeed true. some of the dialogue is flagged with "(cunning)" to indicate that it's unlocked by a high cunning stat, but there's a lot that isn't marked but IS unlocked by the stat

[Zy-El]

There's not very many notable differences in dialogue between males and females.

The only notable one that made me bristle was: "Come over here, honey pie."

My personal response would have been: "That's Warden-Commander Honey Pie to you!! (gauntlet fist in face)"

[TMZuk]

Spirited Treasure wrote...

Not sure where to put this ...

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I'm playing through for the first time as a human male.

I'm noticing an  immediate difference of dialog..


For instance as male human I'm noticed as being "young lord" I'm called
Lord, and able to vocalize to Morrigan that I am a noble.

With Alistair I was able to tell Morrigan to "Leave him alone" when she picks at him upon first entry of Lothering.
I know there are also some instances where males can ask for a kiss as payment (during Redcliff quests)

I am sure there are others..

Is my female noble human less noble than her male counterpart? My female
does not ever have the option to tell Morrigan to "leave him alone."

Also when Flemeth says "what do you believe?"

As a male I had the option to say " I believe you have something I need."

What's up with that? 

As a female noble you are called m'lady... is that wrong??

A female noble can tell Morrigan to leave Alistair alone, when arriving in Lotheringen. No difference there.

You can also tell Morrigan you are nobility, when in her hut, as a female noble. No difference there either.

The one about Flemeth I am not certain about, I'll check it out tomorrow.

[Heather Cline]

I never got the one with Flemeth in either male or female role to be honest. But then again my character probably didn't have a high enough cunning.

As for telling Morrigan to leave Alistair alone, got that option with both characters. I never played a male noble so I don't have the young lord option. I did play a female noble a couple of times and I got the m'lady option. But seriously young lord seems more appropriate for a male than a female. and M'lady seems more appropriate for a female. Unless you really want your character to be called young lady it seems kinda odd to me.

I do agree that men and women should be equal but there are things that set men and women apart in real life. Men are physically stronger than women. Men due to their muscle are generally heavier than the average woman because muscle weighs more than body fat. Then there are the obvious physical differences between the genders that everyone is aware of.

I should play a male noble to see if I get the young lord dialogue but it really isn't a biggie.

I do believe that perhaps the options just need the right triggering.

Hope you find what you're looking for.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 15 septembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[Myusha]

Ha. I focused on mainly cunning and got "Believed or not, some things but simply be accepted."

Most new options open up with cunning, although there are a tiny couple of scenes that might poke fun at your femaleness. Daveth or Murdock from the top of my head.

[John Epler]

Deleting inappropriate comments. Keep it civil, folks.

[The Almighty Ali]

To add variety, If all the dialog was the same then it wouldn't matter if you were a dwarf, human, elf or Male and Female.



Besides is it really such a big deal?

[BroBear Berbil]

Not that I think it'll do much good (OP seems to have left after vowing to boycott) but most of these complaints are false. The particular dialogue option with Flemeth that was brought up is either based on cunning or choices made during the conversation with Morrigan just prior to that scene. I should also point out that Flemeth mentions your "woman's mind" if you're a female. I'm outraged that my male characters don't get that bit of text.



Seriously, not everything has to be the same for both genders. You only need to look at fem Shep's animations for that to be abundantly clear. I'd go a step further and say I really miss the days when females and males had different starting stats.

[Yrkoon]

I. for one, am outraged that upon meeting my Male Human  Noble Gray warden for the first time in the wilds, Morrigan says: "you there, Handsome lad, tell me your name and I'll tell you mine". But she Doesn't say that to my Female Noble.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 septembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[mousestalker]

Yrkoon wrote...

I. for one, am outraged that upon meeting my Male Human  Noble Gray warden for the first time in the wilds, Morrigan says: "you there, Handsome lad, tell me your name and I'll tell you mine". But she Doesn't say that to my Female Noble.

There's a mod that will remedy that for you.

:innocent:

[Tindl]

wow, there's a feminist at her worst for you!

[Zy-El]

Actually, it would have been nice to be able to choose a base personality trait to go along with your voice set selection. Your base personality trait could be used to determine specific dialogue choices in different situations. Yes, yes, I know - the voice acting requirements for thousands of possible dialogue combinations would be exorbidant! And probably would blow away a third of the development budget.

Just saying that if you made a female Warden who was "****ty", the dialogue choices would be quite different as opposed to "chaste".

[Kingdom of Steel]

Instead of raging, be happy that your gender will actually affect the gameplay. Would it not be boring to see that people do not care at all about wether you are male or female?