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Dalira Montanti wrote...

ok quick question is Alistair died before his Queen-Concort or whatever its called what would happen them?

It depends on when you mean. If it happens in the game, Anora would rule. If it happens after the game, say, a couple of decades down the road, it would be whoever Alistair had named as his heir at that time--maybe child of his own (very unlikely), maybe a child of Fergus's or Teagan's. My personal feeling is that it would no longer be Anora, because that was a stop-gap measure in case Alistair was killed fighting the archdemon. There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle. We don't know, and it probably depends on whether he's hardened or unhardened. Hardened, he he would clearly prefer that she not rule Ferelden.

In any case, the warden would never rule, as they're a consort, not a co-ruler. While he could conceivably name his consort as heir, that would be a very bad idea, as she is likely to die very shortly after him of the taint, and is also likely to be unable to reproduce. If you're going to move outside the Theirin bloodline, which will have to happen if another Theirin doesn't show up, it should be someone who can establish a new line that can be solidified by heirs.  It also sets a dubious precedent, recreating exactly the sort of situation that occured with Anora. You really don't want a series of civil wars between consorts and blood heirs everytime a ruler dies.

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errant_knight wrote...

In any case, the warden would never rule, as they're a consort, not a co-ruler.


Anora was also consort, not co-ruler.  Alistair's wife would definately have a claim, if he died before her and without offspring.

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Is there any reason why the Warden couldn't be named heir and co-ruler afterward?

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Wulfram wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

In any case, the warden would never rule, as they're a consort, not a co-ruler.


Anora was also consort, not co-ruler.  Alistair's wife would definately have a claim, if he died before her and without offspring.

If you think Anora's claim was legitimate, that would be true. ;) If you don't, not so much.

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errant_knight wrote...

If you think Anora's claim was legitimate, that would be true. ;) If you don't, not so much.


No one in Ferelden seems to really consider her claim illegitimate - Alistair's may have been superior, that's all.

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Anora's claim is about as legitimate as Alistair's- that is to say, it's all a lot of hot air until the Bannorn makes a decision one way or another. Alistair has blood precedent, Anora's been ruling for five years regardless, and she's legitimately noble- her dad's a teryn, even if he's the son of a farmer. Not every medieval society relied solely on blood; Charles V (Hapsburg) had some advisors/men of important standing who started off on humble terms.

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Anora's claim is about as legitimate as Alistair's- that is to say, it's all a lot of hot air until the Bannorn makes a decision one way or another. Alistair has blood precedent, Anora's been ruling for five years regardless, and she's legitimately noble- her dad's a teryn, even if he's the son of a farmer. Not every medieval society relied solely on blood; Charles V (Hapsburg) had some advisors/men of important standing who started off on humble terms.

Not every medieval society, no, but this one is based on England where bloodlines were taken very seriously. I'm not saying that Anora's claim is necessarily illegitimate, but it could be viewed that way if one chooses to do so.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Edit: I swear, every time I see these arguments it reminds me why I wrote this.


I just want to mention that I loved that story.Posted Image

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Edit: I swear, every time I see these arguments it reminds me why I wrote this.


I just want to mention that I loved that story.Posted Image

that was enjoyable to read but dont get me wrong i only opend thsi warden queen theard so I could have a better understanding of it for my royal wedding mod

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Don't think so, since you just become queen consort and not queen regnant. You're not a ruling queen, hence no coronation.


Queen consorts also have received coronations. Katharine of Aragon. Anne Boleyn.

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Persephone wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Don't think so, since you just become queen consort and not queen regnant. You're not a ruling queen, hence no coronation.


Queen consorts also have received coronations. Katharine of Aragon. Anne Boleyn.


Maybe its best to leave her from any list.

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errant_knight wrote...

There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle.


There is NO unused game slide about Anora being sent to the chantry.  None, nada, I've looked, it's not there.  There ARE plenty of unused slides; that one, however, does not exist. I'm not sure where that rumor started, but it really is false.

I agreed with the rest of your post, however :)

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ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle.


There is NO unused game slide about Anora being sent to the chantry.  None, nada, I've looked, it's not there.  There ARE plenty of unused slides; that one, however, does not exist. I'm not sure where that rumor started, but it really is false.

I agreed with the rest of your post, however. :)


Huh, when it was being discussed, and it's existence questioned, someone said they found something. I thought it was an uncalled image, but maybe not. Maybe it wasn't a slide, but a pointer to a non-existent slide, or something. It was someone credible, I think, but I can't remember who.... Ah well, not important, really. Tower, Chantry or dead, it's pretty much the same thing. Unless you're Anora, of course. ;)

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Don't think so, since you just become queen consort and not queen regnant. You're not a ruling queen, hence no coronation.


Queen consorts also have received coronations. Katharine of Aragon. Anne Boleyn.


Maybe its best to leave her from any list.


Hardly. The most influential Queen Consort England ever had. She bore Elizabeth I. A brilliant, fascinating woman who was murdered on trumped up charges. My fave of old Henry's six wives. VIVAT ANNA!:wub:

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errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle.


There is NO unused game slide about Anora being sent to the chantry.  None, nada, I've looked, it's not there.  There ARE plenty of unused slides; that one, however, does not exist. I'm not sure where that rumor started, but it really is false.

I agreed with the rest of your post, however. :)


Huh, when it was being discussed, and it's existence questioned, someone said they found something. I thought it was an uncalled image, but maybe not. Maybe it wasn't a slide, but a pointer to a non-existent slide, or something. It was someone credible, I think, but I can't remember who.... Ah well, not important, really. Tower, Chantry or dead, it's pretty much the same thing. Unless you're Anora, of course. ;)


Strange. Alistair fans (And me too, even though I'm not a huge fan) get upset if Anora executes Alistair. But it doesn't matter if Anora is executed by Alistair's orders (Or Eamon, rather) or shut away or anything, as it's all the same thing, supposedly. I don't see anything funny there. <_<

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errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle.


There is NO unused game slide about Anora being sent to the chantry.  None, nada, I've looked, it's not there.  There ARE plenty of unused slides; that one, however, does not exist. I'm not sure where that rumor started, but it really is false.

I agreed with the rest of your post, however. :)


Huh, when it was being discussed, and it's existence questioned, someone said they found something. I thought it was an uncalled image, but maybe not. Maybe it wasn't a slide, but a pointer to a non-existent slide, or something. It was someone credible, I think, but I can't remember who.... Ah well, not important, really. Tower, Chantry or dead, it's pretty much the same thing. Unless you're Anora, of course. ;)


Hah, yeh.  But it's easy to make slides -- it just doesn't exist unless in a mod.  I can see someone adding it -- a lot of people HATE Anora.  There are unused slides in there -- the elven boon ones are very dark and they don't trigger. But not that one.  I wonder what a fitting ending for her would be if not made queen, though.  Chantry would be one solution.  I personally see execution, but, ummm, yeh.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 octobre 2010 - 07:01 .


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ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle.


There is NO unused game slide about Anora being sent to the chantry.  None, nada, I've looked, it's not there.  There ARE plenty of unused slides; that one, however, does not exist. I'm not sure where that rumor started, but it really is false.

I agreed with the rest of your post, however. :)


Huh, when it was being discussed, and it's existence questioned, someone said they found something. I thought it was an uncalled image, but maybe not. Maybe it wasn't a slide, but a pointer to a non-existent slide, or something. It was someone credible, I think, but I can't remember who.... Ah well, not important, really. Tower, Chantry or dead, it's pretty much the same thing. Unless you're Anora, of course. ;)


Hah, yeh.  But it's easy to make slides -- it just doesn't exist unless in a mod.  I can see someone adding it -- a lot of people HATE Anora.  There are unused slides in there -- the elven boon ones are very dark and they don't trigger. 



Would it be possible to fix that, ejoslin? *Puppy eyes and kitty meows*:innocent:

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Persephone wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle.


There is NO unused game slide about Anora being sent to the chantry.  None, nada, I've looked, it's not there.  There ARE plenty of unused slides; that one, however, does not exist. I'm not sure where that rumor started, but it really is false.

I agreed with the rest of your post, however. :)


Huh, when it was being discussed, and it's existence questioned, someone said they found something. I thought it was an uncalled image, but maybe not. Maybe it wasn't a slide, but a pointer to a non-existent slide, or something. It was someone credible, I think, but I can't remember who.... Ah well, not important, really. Tower, Chantry or dead, it's pretty much the same thing. Unless you're Anora, of course. ;)


Hah, yeh.  But it's easy to make slides -- it just doesn't exist unless in a mod.  I can see someone adding it -- a lot of people HATE Anora.  There are unused slides in there -- the elven boon ones are very dark and they don't trigger. 



Would it be possible to fix that, ejoslin? *Puppy eyes and kitty meows*:innocent:


I would if I could.  Unfortunately, the file that has the choice of boons in it is, well, corrupted.  It's not accessible by the toolset (this is a general problem, not something in particular to my computer).  They're pretty bad, though.  Shianni gets murdered if she's made the Bann, for instance.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 octobre 2010 - 07:04 .


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ejoslin wrote...

Persephone wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There's an unused game slide in the toolset that refers to Anora being sent to the Chantry, so that's a possibility, or he may have executed her after the battle.


There is NO unused game slide about Anora being sent to the chantry.  None, nada, I've looked, it's not there.  There ARE plenty of unused slides; that one, however, does not exist. I'm not sure where that rumor started, but it really is false.

I agreed with the rest of your post, however. :)


Huh, when it was being discussed, and it's existence questioned, someone said they found something. I thought it was an uncalled image, but maybe not. Maybe it wasn't a slide, but a pointer to a non-existent slide, or something. It was someone credible, I think, but I can't remember who.... Ah well, not important, really. Tower, Chantry or dead, it's pretty much the same thing. Unless you're Anora, of course. ;)


Hah, yeh.  But it's easy to make slides -- it just doesn't exist unless in a mod.  I can see someone adding it -- a lot of people HATE Anora.  There are unused slides in there -- the elven boon ones are very dark and they don't trigger. 



Would it be possible to fix that, ejoslin? *Puppy eyes and kitty meows*:innocent:


I would if I could.  Unfortunately, the file that has the choice of boons in it is, well, corrupted.  It's not accessible by the toolset (this is a general problem, not something in particular to my computer).  They're pretty bad, though.  Shianni gets murdered if she's made the Bann.  


:o:o:o:o:o

Could you post them? I'd love to read them. :)

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:o:o:o:o:o

Could you post them? I'd love to read them. :)


If there is a Bann:

With a new bann in the Landsmeet to represent them, the city-born elves found a better lot than ever. New law gave the elves more trading rights and their own militia within the Alienage.

If Shianni is Bann:

Resistance from humans saw a rise in violence in the city, however, which culminated in Shianni's murder by a human bigot several years later. The resulting riot in the Alienage forced a crack-down from the throne, a clear signal that the tension with the elves had not been resolved.

If Soris is Bann: (my note, I'm not sure how you can get Soris as Bann, again, since I can't access the file where this is all set and I've never had the choice except for Shianni -- perhaps if you take the deal or something).

A year later, Soris's marriage to a wealthy human woman caused a scandal in both parts of the city--resulting in a riot within the Alienage that forced a crack-down from the throne. Angered, Soris resigned his title and left Ferelden with his new wife. No new bann was named to replace him.

If the Warden is Bann: With <FirstName/> as their new voice, the elves became prosperous in a way they had never known... enough to draw elves from nearby lands, desperate for real hope. The influx built ire among the human population and eventually resulted in a riot in Denerim, showing that as much as things change, they always stay the same.

If someone else is the Bann: Resistance from humans saw a rise in violence in the city, however, culminating in an angry mob outside the Landsmeet that stoned the new bann to death. The resulting riot in the Alienage forced a crack-down from the throne, a clear signal that tensions with the elves were far from resolved.

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Hmm. If your character marries Alistair, does it trigger a wedding cutscene at some point?

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Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. If your character marries Alistair, does it trigger a wedding cutscene at some point?


Sadly no.

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Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. If your character marries Alistair, does it trigger a wedding cutscene at some point?


Sadly no.

im hoping to change that come xmas break :wizard:

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Persephone wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. If your character marries Alistair, does it trigger a wedding cutscene at some point?


Sadly no.


Sad, indeed. So far, I've played a mage playthrough and the human noble playthrough. I'm thinking of doing the Dalish origin next, but is it the best one of the remaining four origin stories?

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Dalira Montanti wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. If your character marries Alistair, does it trigger a wedding cutscene at some point?


Sadly no.

im hoping to change that come xmas break :wizard:


:D