I was sitting here in front of my monitor last night, thinking about what game I wanted to play, thought about my Dragon Age save and realized...
I couldn't care less if the Darkspawn take over the world. I couldn't care less if my PC develops a romance with M. or L. or A. I couldn't care less how this stupid story turns out.
Lots of eye candy, great cinematic cutscenes and voiceovers, nice combat animations; simple-minded magic system, endless, mindless hack-and slash combat (on and on and on...), a story you'll remember as borrowed from someone else, camera control that won't let you get close enough to the action to identify your team members since all the armor looks alike (you thought NWN2 was bad) and graphics that are actually inferior to NWN2 (though requiring considerably less computer to run smoothly)..
I got as far as the mage tower, or whatever it's called, and just gave up. NWN2 is a cRPG designed for adults, DA is designed for teeny-boppers (that term should date me).
I realized what I really wanted to do was to play some of the amazing new content that recently has been released for NWN2. DA modules? Thin on the ground, and why should a developer bother when the game is no longer supported? DA2? Even DA fans complain it will be a watered-down version of DA:O. How can you make water thinner than water?
So, I just freed up 13.8 G on my hard drive. I know we are in this forum at the pleasure of Bioware and fully expect this tread to be locked, so I'll just say, NWN2 fans, don't bother with DA unless you'rs 13 years old.
Coming home...
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 12:38
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Well...welcome back? I never played DA so I guess I didn't miss much. As for thread locks, these forums may have been created by the grace of Bioware, but they pay them no heed, not since the day they were created anyway. NWN2 is the red headed step child of Bioware's RPG world.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 12:54
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I have DAO for PC and 360, but have never played it on the PC. (I got it, thinking there would be a modding community like there is for NWN1/2.)
I admit, I like DAO. I am rather bummer, however, that modding did not take off like I expected.
I admit, I like DAO. I am rather bummer, however, that modding did not take off like I expected.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 04:42
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Plus, I don't run a really tight ship around here. Then again, judging by some of the issues other moderators get to deal with in the other forums, I don't need to. This crowd is a much more mature one -- and I mean that in the psychological maturity sense. I think we can all honestly say, there's a bit of the little kid in just about everyone here.
And as one of my least favorite candidates for public office once said, "I'm the decider." I have some help with a few other moderators, but for the most part, I'm the guy. I don't honestly know how it came to pass, though that seems the long and short of it.
This, by the way, Sieben, is nothing close to lockable posting.
When I saw the title, I was sure it was going to be some sappy sentimental drivel about how these folks on these forums feel like home -- oh -- wait. That's something I'd say. Glad you're still enjoying NWN2. It's got a lot of life left in it and I'm grateful and pleased to be a part of this great Community Neighborhood.
Anybody seen the cookie cart? I love those snickerdoodles.
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And as one of my least favorite candidates for public office once said, "I'm the decider." I have some help with a few other moderators, but for the most part, I'm the guy. I don't honestly know how it came to pass, though that seems the long and short of it.
This, by the way, Sieben, is nothing close to lockable posting.
When I saw the title, I was sure it was going to be some sappy sentimental drivel about how these folks on these forums feel like home -- oh -- wait. That's something I'd say. Glad you're still enjoying NWN2. It's got a lot of life left in it and I'm grateful and pleased to be a part of this great Community Neighborhood.
Anybody seen the cookie cart? I love those snickerdoodles.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 06:33
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Coming back to NWN2, really is a testament to what the folks at bioware started ( and despite obsidian working on it, most of NWN2 is very much the same engine bioware made for both good and bad ). So i'd say they should see it as praise that some folks just don't see their latest piece of fun as the best thing ever, they happen to make games which have lasting value.
Of course each of us will prefer one style of game, and i think they want a larger market and thus are aiming at that console gamer. The nice thing is we can actually buy everything they, Atari, Obsidian and EA make, and you have already purchased Dragon Age, so it's not an either or proposition.
I fully expect in a few years dragon age will have just as much community content being created which will be able to draw you back, it just takes time for the modders to learn an engine ( which seems no one has the patience for ). So don't throw it away, just when cool things show up in a given community, take a look and if they excite you install the required game.
Of course each of us will prefer one style of game, and i think they want a larger market and thus are aiming at that console gamer. The nice thing is we can actually buy everything they, Atari, Obsidian and EA make, and you have already purchased Dragon Age, so it's not an either or proposition.
I fully expect in a few years dragon age will have just as much community content being created which will be able to draw you back, it just takes time for the modders to learn an engine ( which seems no one has the patience for ). So don't throw it away, just when cool things show up in a given community, take a look and if they excite you install the required game.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 12:07
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painofdungeoneternal wrote...
I fully expect in a few years dragon age will have just as much community content being created which will be able to draw you back, it just takes time for the modders to learn an engine ( which seems no one has the patience for ). So don't throw it away, just when cool things show up in a given community, take a look and if they excite you install the required game.
+1
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 12:50
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DA is alright by me, but it doesn't appeal to me as much as the AD&D world that NWN2 is set in.
I have played loads of games since NWN and NWN2 have been out, but out of all my games those two have never been uninstalled.
I keep coming home too.
Something has got to be said about a game when the Diamond NWN is still on retail shelves.
I have a feeling this game is too much of a bargain and the fans care too much about it for it to just fade.
I have played loads of games since NWN and NWN2 have been out, but out of all my games those two have never been uninstalled.
I keep coming home too.
Something has got to be said about a game when the Diamond NWN is still on retail shelves.
I have a feeling this game is too much of a bargain and the fans care too much about it for it to just fade.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 02:22
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Sieben Elfriend wrote...
endless, mindless hack-and slash combat (on and on and on...)
Hmmm...
and I was thinking about purchasing it as soon as I would have finished MotB... You have said the magic words "hack and slash" (+ endless). I HATE H&S in RPGs... ok, I hate H&S full stop. 
About the community... well, each time one of these games comes to shops, my computer is out to date and I have to wait, buy a new one, before I can play. In the meanwhile, the community grows. And this is a good advantage, I think!
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 03:17
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Thanks for the comments, folks. Re-reading my post (one should really do that before hitting "Submit") I realize it may have seemed insulting to those who like DA. I apologize to anyone I offended.
I really did try to get into the game in hopes that it would be the next NWN2. I read the forums, read the wiki, played around with content created by users, studied the rules, worked on tactics and in the end it just didn't come together for me. I might have stuck with it just to see how the story ended, but the endless, seemingly pointless combat with look-alike monsters just wore me down.
I finally had to admit I wasn't having fun yet.
I played NWN until the sequel was released and NWN2 ever since. With all the great new modules the community has released in the last few months and those scheduled for the near future, I'm sure I'll be playing it for years to come. I'm even thinking about replaying the OC (let's see, how about a male human barbarian this time...romance that druid girl...join the thieve's guild
rather than the city watch...). Seriously though, it's a tribute to the game that it is still being enjoyed by so many and has such a large, creative community. I hope DA achieves the same, but suspect that my copy will collect dust for a while, then end up in the county landfill.
I really did try to get into the game in hopes that it would be the next NWN2. I read the forums, read the wiki, played around with content created by users, studied the rules, worked on tactics and in the end it just didn't come together for me. I might have stuck with it just to see how the story ended, but the endless, seemingly pointless combat with look-alike monsters just wore me down.
I finally had to admit I wasn't having fun yet.I played NWN until the sequel was released and NWN2 ever since. With all the great new modules the community has released in the last few months and those scheduled for the near future, I'm sure I'll be playing it for years to come. I'm even thinking about replaying the OC (let's see, how about a male human barbarian this time...romance that druid girl...join the thieve's guild
rather than the city watch...). Seriously though, it's a tribute to the game that it is still being enjoyed by so many and has such a large, creative community. I hope DA achieves the same, but suspect that my copy will collect dust for a while, then end up in the county landfill.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 03:36
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Sieben Elfriend wrote...
I really did try to get into the game in hopes that it would be the next NWN2.
if this could help, it is about 12 years that I was waiting for the "next BG2"! So I think it is normal. And I would say that, yes, NWN2 is the game I was waiting since BG2. Really!
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 03:55
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I got you all beat in that regard. I'm still waiting for a good successor to the Old Gold Box Engine Series. Those stories were Grrrrreat! (as my friend Tony the Tiger used to say) and having them re-imagined (as was Pool of Radiance: Remastered) in NWN2 is nice, but still misses the mark. This is all due to some story telling essentials (in my not so humble opinion, that is) being cut for the sake of "instant gratification" (an actual quote, regarding resting, cursed items, not being able to pick up non-ID'd items, etc. and why they weren't being made according to traditional RP concepts.)
I would also like to be able to see things change when it comes to some other aspects of the game, but that's a digression for another topic. NWN2 is the closest I've seen to letting folks make the stories they want to make (other than NWN and in a D&D framework -- and for some, beyond D&D...)
I still have my copy of "Unlimited Adventures: Adventures in the Forgotten Realms" toolset. It came with a demo game, but make no mistake, this one was pretty much just the toolset and some assets. So far, and for the forseeable future at this point, NWN2 is the game engine of choice for storytelling in an RP based system. (And of course, I do not intend any disrespect for NWN loyal fans or DA:O enthusiasts. It's just how I feel.)
dunniteowl (who hasn't left the 'house' since he moved in.)
I would also like to be able to see things change when it comes to some other aspects of the game, but that's a digression for another topic. NWN2 is the closest I've seen to letting folks make the stories they want to make (other than NWN and in a D&D framework -- and for some, beyond D&D...)
I still have my copy of "Unlimited Adventures: Adventures in the Forgotten Realms" toolset. It came with a demo game, but make no mistake, this one was pretty much just the toolset and some assets. So far, and for the forseeable future at this point, NWN2 is the game engine of choice for storytelling in an RP based system. (And of course, I do not intend any disrespect for NWN loyal fans or DA:O enthusiasts. It's just how I feel.)
dunniteowl (who hasn't left the 'house' since he moved in.)
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 04:20
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It would take years and years to try to match the scope of the old gold box games. I remember the overland map of Pool of Radiance being huge. I spent hours just looking around for stuff and being harassed by Wyndlasses and Quicklings (never could hit those darn little things!).
I can't even imagine trying to even approach the scope of that game, let alone the sequels. Never could get hold of Curse of the Azure Bonds, by the way. I have thought about downloading it and playing it with DOS Box. Did that with the old POR and it was a hoot. Would you believe that it is still addictive! Talk about coming home. That was the game that started me on RPG, unless you want to count "Tunnels of Doom" for my old TI-85.
I can't even imagine trying to even approach the scope of that game, let alone the sequels. Never could get hold of Curse of the Azure Bonds, by the way. I have thought about downloading it and playing it with DOS Box. Did that with the old POR and it was a hoot. Would you believe that it is still addictive! Talk about coming home. That was the game that started me on RPG, unless you want to count "Tunnels of Doom" for my old TI-85.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 04:37
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Mine is loaded right here right now on my hard drive and DOS Box installed and ready to rock. I can't tell you how many times I have replayed the entire series, one after the other. I've had them since they first came out and I have played the hell out of them.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 05:01
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Tied, but not beaten, Sir Owl. My handle (for a mage-type PC) dates from The Bard's Tale series, recreated for the Gold Box games, recreated again for NWN. He didn't participate in BG/2 but his imaginary students did. Back before there were internet forums (gasp!).
Sir Rieder, Curse of the Azure Bonds was the best of the Gold Box games (Alias made revealing chainmail a part of RPG legend). No on-screen local maps, so you had to draw them on graph paper to keep track of where you'd been. Well, I did, but my directional sense has always been pretty bad.
Hey, this is almost more fun as hugging kittens...
Sir Rieder, Curse of the Azure Bonds was the best of the Gold Box games (Alias made revealing chainmail a part of RPG legend). No on-screen local maps, so you had to draw them on graph paper to keep track of where you'd been. Well, I did, but my directional sense has always been pretty bad.
Hey, this is almost more fun as hugging kittens...
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 06:32
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D&D 3.5, with all its broken parts, and all things that were badly transferred to NWN, is still a much better system than Bioware's homebrewed monstrosity (DA rpg system, which is just plain horrible).
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 06:50
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Sieben Elfriend wrote...
... No on-screen local maps, so you had to draw them on graph paper to keep track of where you'd been. Well, I did, but my directional sense has always been pretty bad.
Hey! I remember that! At the end of the Gold Box Pool of Radiance, there was this impossible hedge maze. I remember having to break out the graph paper to figure out where the heck I was. I bet it's still laying around somewhere.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 06:54
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I bet there is some 80's Hair Metal for this topic.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 07:03
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I think we should get together and recreate one of those box games. 
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 07:13
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I used graph paper throughout, else I would have been lost forever. Sir MANoob, you're right, they had a chance to really do it right with a new system (see Sir Owl's lucid discussions of Vancian magic in this forum) and blew it, along with my hopes.
So, lest this thread be viewed by newcomers (and I hope there are many) as an old f**ts reunion, let me say that NWN2 is a complex game requiring you to use your brain, demanding of computer resources (but less so as time goes by and what were once high-end systems become the norm) with graphics that are still excellent and a thriving community that is constantly creating additions, enhancements and professional-level modules (new mini-games). Don't like the faces, hair, armor, user interface etc? Check out NWVault, it's your friend. This is by far the best fantasy role-playing game ever made. I know, I started with Akalabeth on the Apple II.
Admitted fan (though long past being a boy) signing off.
So, lest this thread be viewed by newcomers (and I hope there are many) as an old f**ts reunion, let me say that NWN2 is a complex game requiring you to use your brain, demanding of computer resources (but less so as time goes by and what were once high-end systems become the norm) with graphics that are still excellent and a thriving community that is constantly creating additions, enhancements and professional-level modules (new mini-games). Don't like the faces, hair, armor, user interface etc? Check out NWVault, it's your friend. This is by far the best fantasy role-playing game ever made. I know, I started with Akalabeth on the Apple II.
Admitted fan (though long past being a boy) signing off.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 07:14
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"Back before Internet forums" (regarding BG1 & 2). I think not. I was moderating games forums on Compuserve when you were all wearing diapers (well for certain before BG1 came out).
And my CRPG goes back to the original "adventure" (1976), which just pre-dated my first experience of D&D. And that's why "Thorsson" has always been a Dorf.
And my CRPG goes back to the original "adventure" (1976), which just pre-dated my first experience of D&D. And that's why "Thorsson" has always been a Dorf.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 08:29
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I stand corrected. So, the "64" in your handle is your age? You win, I'm only 63. Sir, I bow in your general direction.
Would we still be here, on this forum, if we didn't love it?
I've seen a few people from the old forum and perhaps there are some under different handles, but where's Countless (the ultimate D&D rules lawyer) and -foil (the technical guru)?
None of which makes a rat's arse of difference to newcomers. Buy the game , it's cheap and will be the best entertainment investment you ever make.
Would we still be here, on this forum, if we didn't love it?
I've seen a few people from the old forum and perhaps there are some under different handles, but where's Countless (the ultimate D&D rules lawyer) and -foil (the technical guru)?
None of which makes a rat's arse of difference to newcomers. Buy the game , it's cheap and will be the best entertainment investment you ever make.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 08:41
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Teh Fart is truly Venerable in this thread.
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Posté 12 septembre 2010 - 10:55
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Wow, and here I was thinking I might be the old man in the house. I'll be a mere half century in Rocktober. I played my first RPG type computer game with Zork back on the UCSD mainframe. However my first PC gaming was Bards Tale, then Pool of Radiance Series. By then, I was already a full on D&D geek, amongst all my other Geek Certificates of Authenticity.
Yeah, Countless, -foil and a few others are sorely missed, grouchy though Countless could be, he is definitely missed amongst these topic threads.
Also, Sieben, thanks for the Kudos on the Vancian Magic thesis. Magic is one of those things I have taken great pains to make sense of in a gaming framework such that it is consistent and pervasive, without requiring it to be High magic or High fantasy. There's just so much room for interpretation.
This place, this game and these people, for me, are like being able to have a sort of virtual family taht actually 'gets' where I'm coming from, which, other than my mom, no-one in my real family ever did -- and still don't. I love you guys and gals.
best regards,
dunniteowl
Yeah, Countless, -foil and a few others are sorely missed, grouchy though Countless could be, he is definitely missed amongst these topic threads.
Also, Sieben, thanks for the Kudos on the Vancian Magic thesis. Magic is one of those things I have taken great pains to make sense of in a gaming framework such that it is consistent and pervasive, without requiring it to be High magic or High fantasy. There's just so much room for interpretation.
This place, this game and these people, for me, are like being able to have a sort of virtual family taht actually 'gets' where I'm coming from, which, other than my mom, no-one in my real family ever did -- and still don't. I love you guys and gals.
best regards,
dunniteowl
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Posté 13 septembre 2010 - 02:20
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You are only as old as you think you are, though sometimes your joints may express their own opinion. My favorite rocker, Ian Anderson (of Jethro Tull), is still touring at my age. I understand you sentiment, though. This game is a phenomenon. If you are new to it, please ask your questions. There are plenty of people from the old forum who are both able and willing to help you. Enjoy.
Enough of Old Home Week, need to find a kitten to hug...
Enough of Old Home Week, need to find a kitten to hug...
