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[oyukichan]

tehmalachi wrote...

kaiden....not only because he was so utterly bland that a racist alien hating human should live over him, but the fact i FINALLY got to kill off carth onasi, or at least....a character with his voice actor, still feels like a win.

aside from that, regardless of the poetic reasons people give to kill ashley, the story doesnt feel any different when kaiden dies lets be honest....he fades into the background, and his entire backstory you get while talking to him could have been SOO much more, they could have gone more in depth and even had a side quest to help out his old flame from the biotic school, yet...they mention her and just SUDDENLY forget about her, his story just felt.....pointless to be told

Kaidan's Rahna story comes into play in the romance between Kaidan and femShep.  It completely explains why he will confess his feelings for Shep but not make a move on them.  It is why Shep has to initiate the down and dirty.  He may have "gotten over it" or whatever it is he says ("I'm 32, Shepard, you don't serve as long as I have without coming to terms with yourself"), but it still affects him and makes him reluctant to dive headfirst into love.  And though his reticence sometimes drives my canon femShep nuts, it is also why she cares about him so much.  

Back to topic:
I've saved Ashley over Kaidan twice.  The first time because my femShep was not romancing Kaidan and she felt she had a duty to protect her a little.  The second time because my maleShep was romancing Ashley and he felt that Kaidan, as a tech and biotic specialist with more experience than Ash, should have been able to handle himself and get the job done.

I like both Ash and Kaidan, maybe equally, but both times it really bothered me to leave Kaidan (more so than when I've left Ash, all 10+ times).

[PROKNIFER69]

I saved Kaiden because he was very level headed and ash seemed like a racist to me ... also i really dont find her attractive, tali and liara on the other hand ... 

Modifié par PROKNIFER69, 21 octobre 2010 - 06:32 .

[atheelogos]

It didn't find Kaiden's abilities or personality that interesting so he usually died.

[Dave of Canada]

Metagaming.

[CalJones]

I have one Shepard who saved Ashley (I wanted to carry that romance through to ME3) but I almost always save Kaiden. I like Ash, but from a purely pragmatic point of view, Kaiden is an officer, and a biotic, which makes him more valuable.

[MrDizazta]

Typically i've been saving Kaiden over Ashley even on my ManShep playthroughs.

"Bros b4 Hoes" i guess.

I mean what is the point of having another Soldier if yourself are one?

[Nerevar-as]

Because her family has taken enough **** already, and I don´t like the redemption in death trope, even less when there´s nothing to redeem from my POV. Also becuase of the conversation about her younger sister. It´s ironic, because aside from that I like Kaidan a lot more as a person, but I only saved him once. Liara is usually my LI regardless of Shepard´s gender, so that has no weight in my choice.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

I saved Ashley on one playthrough b/c I romanced her, so I felt obliged.



But then i felt bad b/c Kaiden was like a bro to me, so I saved him on another playthrough.

[Gleitfrosch]

i saved ashley, kaidan always gave me the feeling that he was to weak to be a soldier and will break sooner or later. (like the guy you meet on the citadel).



so i prefered to to let him die fighting in his own blood than drunk and in his own ******.

[tallon1982]

For me I just found Ashley got on my nerves. I mean I get where she's coming from but I just couldn't let Kaidan die. Regardless of whether Kaidan has been a LI for me or not I save him because despite his being soft spoken he is stronger than he lets on. He does get emotional but he can draw the line.

[Getorex]

You silly buggers. Ash has THE best ass of the two, nice legs, cute face so she lives.



Anyway, you could easily save Kaiden if you were given the option of barking out the order, "Kaiden, arm the nuke and then get behind an indestructable crate that must me sitting around somewhere near!" Not even a nuke could blemish those crates.

Modifié par Getorex, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:13 .

[dgumb]

 I've played through many times, and saved both of them. I never romance either of them, and I usually play ME1 as an infiltrator so I don't really need either of them for combat (I have my own tech powers, Liara is a better biotic, and I prefer Wrex or Garrus as an extra gun).

Truth be told though I dislike both their characters and if I could save neither of them I'd opt for that, and let them both die as heroes.

As for me honest reason for saving them... I just alternate lol.

Modifié par dgumb, 26 octobre 2010 - 10:31 .

[SonofMacPhisto]

My first playthrough is always my canon playthrough. The goal was to destroy Saren's facility, so everything I did focused on that. I sent Kaiden with the Salarians, since he was a LT and would be best suited to coordinate the teams. When decision time came, I went straight back tot he bomb, because that thing HAD to go off.

Ashley just happened to be the one that survived. Anyone could have ended up in Kaiden's position though. The mission takes priority.

Romance was an afterthought really, though I did end up with Liara after her and Ashley forced me to choose.

In later playthroughs, I just did whatever I felt like to see what happens.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Getorex]

dgumb wrote...

 I've played through many times, and saved both of them. I never romance either of them, and I usually play ME1 as an infiltrator so I don't really need either of them for combat (I have my own tech powers, Liara is a better biotic, and I prefer Wrex or Garrus as an extra gun).

Truth be told though I dislike both their characters and if I could save neither of them I'd opt for that, and let them both die as heroes.

As for me honest reason for saving them... I just alternate lol.

I'll never understand the Garrus love, especially in ME1 vs Ash on a combat level. Her combat skill points are WAY beyond his. I just finished a new ME1 playthrough (and now just finishing an immediate follow-on ME2 do-over - all on insanity difficulty) and I gotta say, Garrus drove me nuts in ME1. Sucked as a squadmate because he was invariably the first to die in any fight and he would also die often. I was shelling out medigel like crazy mainly to keep Garrus up and going, even when Tali was my other squadmate.

Garrus would race out into a hail of incoming and simply go down like a $5 w h o r e again and again. Rice paper armor and the combat sense and common sense of a brain damaged baboon. I was cussing up Garrus constantly because of his constant and repeated die offs in combat. Only fairly late in the game did he become a useful squadmate.

I USUALLY end up with Liara and Ash together on the final mission on the citadel against Saren. They have tended to serve me well in that.

Modifié par Getorex, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:31 .

[dgumb]

Getorex wrote...

I'll never understand the Garrus love, especially in ME1 vs Ash on a combat level. Her combat skill points are WAY beyond his. I just finished a new ME1 playthrough (and now just finishing an immediate follow-on ME2 do-over - all on insanity difficulty) and I gotta say, Garrus drove me nuts in ME1. Sucked as a squadmate because he was invariably the first to die in any fight and he would also die often. I was shelling out medigel like crazy mainly to keep Garrus up and going, even when Tali was my other squadmate.

Garrus would race out into a hail of incoming and simply go down like a $5 w h o r e again and again. Rice paper armor and the combat sense and common sense of a brain damaged baboon. I was cussing up Garrus constantly because of his constant and repeated die offs in combat. Only fairly late in the game did he become a useful squadmate.

I USUALLY end up with Liara and Ash together on the final mission on the citadel against Saren. They have tended to serve me well in that.

I don't have any particular love for Garrus, but I have a particular dislike for Ash so that's why I prefer him to her. But really, in all my playthroughs, even on insanity (my default is hardcore) I feel like I'm mostly soloing anyway, so the teammates are sort of just extra damage, and it doesn't really matter who I bring as long as they're doing something that helps kill enemies.

To be more specific I'd have to go play ME1 again, and tbh since ME2 I just can't go back to ME1.

Modifié par dgumb, 27 octobre 2010 - 01:46 .

[Getorex]

dgumb wrote...

Getorex wrote...

I'll never understand the Garrus love, especially in ME1 vs Ash on a combat level. Her combat skill points are WAY beyond his. I just finished a new ME1 playthrough (and now just finishing an immediate follow-on ME2 do-over - all on insanity difficulty) and I gotta say, Garrus drove me nuts in ME1. Sucked as a squadmate because he was invariably the first to die in any fight and he would also die often. I was shelling out medigel like crazy mainly to keep Garrus up and going, even when Tali was my other squadmate.

Garrus would race out into a hail of incoming and simply go down like a $5 w h o r e again and again. Rice paper armor and the combat sense and common sense of a brain damaged baboon. I was cussing up Garrus constantly because of his constant and repeated die offs in combat. Only fairly late in the game did he become a useful squadmate.

I USUALLY end up with Liara and Ash together on the final mission on the citadel against Saren. They have tended to serve me well in that.

I don't have any particular love for Garrus, but I have a particular dislike for Ash so that's why I prefer him to her. But really, in all my playthroughs, even on insanity (my default is hardcore) I feel like I'm mostly soloing anyway, so the teammates are sort of just extra damage, and it doesn't really matter who I bring as long as they're doing something that helps kill enemies.

To be more specific I'd have to go play ME1 again, and tbh since ME2 I just can't go back to ME1.

Sometimes it does seem you are soloing: "Damn you f*khead Garrus! @#$%!! Quit running out into the middle of the f*king firefight and dying! Who the hell does that?! I'm out of medigel now BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEEDED TO BE REVIVED LIKE 4 TIMES ALREADY and...yep, there goes Wrex you a-hole, now I'm on my own and this fight isn't even half over yet!"

However, I also see the squadmates as simply extra hands and powers (which they are) if used well. Towards this end I particularly like Tali and Legion. Not only do they have their rifles or shotgun and overload, they also bring AI hacking (which adds extra teammates to your side while the AI is hacked) and combat drone, yet another teammate that always draws complete attention from the enemy while in existence.

Keep AI hacking and combat droning and at any one time you can have 4 people on your side at a time. Of course, combat drone should be fairly well developed to work well.

Modifié par Getorex, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:52 .

[Manic Sheep]

I saved Kaiden on one play through with one shep and Ashley on another. I actually like both characters, Tho I think Ashley is a bit more fleshed out than Kaiden is.

Since allot of people seem to be bringing up squad usefulness. I never use Ashley in a squad. Extra fire power means nothing if all she does is shoot into walls anyway. Kaiden I used quite allot at lower levels. He is good for filling any gaps you might have in your abilities (like hacking or first aid) so you can specialise and it allows you to be flexible in who you pick as a 2nd squadmate. At higher levels, when you have enough skill points to get everything to a reasonable level he becomes useless and he sucks if you just auto level him.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 27 octobre 2010 - 08:48 .

[Selenora]

I have 4 canons and i saved kaidan with all of them.......Me, him and Liara/Wrex at the final boss fight= easiest win ever

[GracefulChicken]

Kaiden acts like a little girl. He's too emotional, and too much of a sissy for me. I played through ME1 6 times and never saved him once. Plus, Ashleys "humans are better than aliens" stance is one I agree with, even through ME2. She wants humans to have galactic power, so do I. We have the same goals, so I save her. Never romanced either of them, though. Next to Tali, they're the worst ME characters so far, imho and I wouldve liked to let them both die and move on without mentioning them again, but since I can't, I always pick the lesser of two evils (Ashley).

[Kappa Neko]

Fascinating how differently you can approach this dilemma. Some people consider who they'd rather keep for combat. Others decide according to what makes the most sense story-wise, considering Salarian casualties or romance options. Others simply pick the one they like better or rather hate.

I never once considered my combat options! And I just realized it never occurred to me that my choice had any impact on the Salarians, lol. Because I thought saving Kirrahe was the only thing you could influence. And that is taken care of before you make your choice regarding Ash/Kaidan...

I played ME1 three times. I saved Kaidan twice. Simply because I really like him. Screw you, Kaidan haters! *g* Plus he's my canon Shep's LI. I saved him with my male Shep who romanced Liara as well. Just couldn't kill him. My renegade Shep romanced Ash, so I had to sacrifice Kaidan.

I'm not particularly fond of Ash. I felt bad for killing her, though. I may not like her attitude much but she is the most realistic of all the characters. But the romance was awful! I think some the flirtatious dialogues where terribly written. Somehow I never quite got why they like each other. Everything seemed so forced. Still I'd like to see more of Ash in ME3.

Except for Zaeed, there's no character I'd gladly get rid of. I never once killed Wrex, even though I don't like the Krogan. Yeees, not everybody thinks they're awesome.

[Ieldra]

dawsdgd wrote...
Your honest reason for saving either ashley or Kaiden?

Things change.

(1) In my first games I saved Ashley because I found Kaidan bland.
(2) Later I saved Kaidan because he's actually interesting if you pay attention to his dialogue and I like him more, personality-wise
(3) Once I saved Kaidan because he was my LI, and once I saved Ashley because Kaidan was my LI and I wanted a tragic outcome.
(4) I also saved Ashley once because she was my LI; and once because she complemented by core squad better.
(5) Post-ME2, I tend to save Kaidan if I'm playing a maleShep because I don't want a romance conflict between Ashley and Miranda in ME3. I also tend to save Kaidan if playing a femShep because he's the best LI for femShep in both games.

[All-a-Mort]

I normally doom kaidan to a fiery and explosive, yet heroic demise. This is for two or threee reasons:

1. He is the senior officer out of himself and Ashley and I want the one who won't panic and screw the pooch when the job needs doing.

2. Ashley strikes me as the sort of person who would be all too eager to get heroically killed to change alliance perceptions about the Williams family. Not to my mind a very healthy psychological condition for a soldier you are depending on.

3. Unless I play as a soldier, then Ashley's combat skills are more useful to me than Kaidan's Sentinel ones.



I may take one playthrough with Kaidan alive just to see what if any difference it makes to the storyline (call it metagaming if you like, but I like to change one or two things plot wise per playthrough to make that character's experience more unique going into the following games).

[Mars Nova]

I saved Ashely because she was my LI.

[Getorex]

Kappa Neko wrote...

Fascinating how differently you can approach this dilemma. Some people consider who they'd rather keep for combat. Others decide according to what makes the most sense story-wise, considering Salarian casualties or romance options. Others simply pick the one they like better or rather hate.

I never once considered my combat options! And I just realized it never occurred to me that my choice had any impact on the Salarians, lol. Because I thought saving Kirrahe was the only thing you could influence. And that is taken care of before you make your choice regarding Ash/Kaidan...

I played ME1 three times. I saved Kaidan twice. Simply because I really like him. Screw you, Kaidan haters! *g* Plus he's my canon Shep's LI. I saved him with my male Shep who romanced Liara as well. Just couldn't kill him. My renegade Shep romanced Ash, so I had to sacrifice Kaidan.

I'm not particularly fond of Ash. I felt bad for killing her, though. I may not like her attitude much but she is the most realistic of all the characters. But the romance was awful! I think some the flirtatious dialogues where terribly written. Somehow I never quite got why they like each other. Everything seemed so forced. Still I'd like to see more of Ash in ME3.

Except for Zaeed, there's no character I'd gladly get rid of. I never once killed Wrex, even though I don't like the Krogan. Yeees, not everybody thinks they're awesome.

I felt the same about Zaeed as you until I won his loyalty without killing all the workers. His inferno grenade is fairly useful and though, like Kasumi, there's no conversation available to make him more fleshed out outside the loyalty mission, I came to like him. That all said, he is dispensible, all told, I just have a hate on him.

[Getorex]

Kappa Neko wrote...

Fascinating how differently you can approach this dilemma. Some people consider who they'd rather keep for combat. Others decide according to what makes the most sense story-wise, considering Salarian casualties or romance options. Others simply pick the one they like better or rather hate.

I never once considered my combat options! And I just realized it never occurred to me that my choice had any impact on the Salarians, lol. Because I thought saving Kirrahe was the only thing you could influence. And that is taken care of before you make your choice regarding Ash/Kaidan...

I played ME1 three times. I saved Kaidan twice. Simply because I really like him. Screw you, Kaidan haters! *g* Plus he's my canon Shep's LI. I saved him with my male Shep who romanced Liara as well. Just couldn't kill him. My renegade Shep romanced Ash, so I had to sacrifice Kaidan.

I'm not particularly fond of Ash. I felt bad for killing her, though. I may not like her attitude much but she is the most realistic of all the characters. But the romance was awful! I think some the flirtatious dialogues where terribly written. Somehow I never quite got why they like each other. Everything seemed so forced. Still I'd like to see more of Ash in ME3.

Except for Zaeed, there's no character I'd gladly get rid of. I never once killed Wrex, even though I don't like the Krogan. Yeees, not everybody thinks they're awesome.

One more note on Zaeed, every time I play through and do his loyalty mission, I keep wishing that I could get beyond the inherent weaknesses of this type of game. I kept thinkig "if I were there in reality I could recover the situation fairly easily". Basically, I kept wishing I could tell Zaeed (end of loyalty mission with workers saved), "Zaeed, if you promise to stick with me through my mission then I promise you that I will stick with you on yours. As soon as we complete my mission we will combine your contacts with all my resources on the Normandy to hunt down this bastard and we will make sure you get your revenge. That f*ck isn't getting away, he's just getting a few more days."

That sort of thing popped up in my mind periodically in the game (I KNOW I could deal with this if I were actually there. I'd say this and I would do that.)