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[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I chose to save Kaiden because although I like Ashley, she seemed like she might fall in with Cerberus. Besides, Kaiden is a very strong biotic and I think he's pretty cool. He didn't come off as whiny to me, but he it did take him a while to warm up to male Shepard.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

green ninja ranger wrote...
ash what a B I can't stan her I kill her ever time she reminds of my exgirlfriend all them and i have a lot of them

the "i speak internetz no grammar ever i like it like this all weak pplz minorities will get my abuse and women" phenomenen.

[SumoMau]

i saved Kaidan because Ash was really the worst companion ever in all game i had. I hated her character, and also her face. (i was forced to save her once only for the achievement)... grrr...

[grevinilvic]

id kill of both if i could have kaiden since he is a wishy washy goodie hero type , ash goes for her attitude towards my character in me2 . i must say i do like kaidens attitude a bit more in me 2 so kaiden lives

[Wilton 94]

Unlike some of you, I did not want neither of them to die. They were both strong characters and you could easily relate to both of them. I didn't really help that they had really deep and revealing discussions with them both and so when the decision came up my heart sank. After much thought i chose Kaiden to stay behind as Ashley had a family and Kaiden was mostly raised on a space station learning how to control his biotic power. Overall i saved Ashley because i could relate to her more and couldn't morally leave her because of some of the stuff she said about her family.

[KrimsonNekros]

plain and simple Carth has left a lingering bad taste in my mouth from KotOR. As a result unless i need a "carth" for some particular reason, he goes. Kaidan is the ME Carth so he dies, with the exception of my lets frag the universe playthrough.

[Mr Zoat]

Saved Kaidan with my engineer because I'd advanced too far down the romance path with Ash and wanted to save him for Tali.

[Flyprdu]

I initially saved Ashley, and my reasons were: 1. Kaiden was boring. 2. I never really connected to him. 3. Ashley was protecting the nuke.



My reasons for regretting it are: 1. Ashley was snarky. 2. Kaiden was with the Salarians. 3. Kaiden was a superior officer..



But my serious doubts came when I was watching a youtube clip and saw Ashley Williams gun down Wrex in cold blood. That was bullsh*t. Okay, so she's a xenophobic hardass... but I never saw how low and ruthless she could get until you answer Wrex the wrong way.



I immediately want to go back to that save and replay, because knowing she's still around when Kaiden and the Salarians could still be alive makes me nauseous.

[FoxShadowblade]

I killed Ashley if Shep was Male, and Kaiden if Shep was Female.



Why? Because I wanted the ME2 romances and might have led them on before leaving them to die.

[V-rex]

Flyprdu wrote...

I initially saved Ashley, and my reasons were: 1. Kaiden was boring.

Truth be told, I always liked him a fair bit. Not as much as Ashley but enough that I felt bad that he died, he might not have been a space badass but he was still someone you could have friendly conversation with.

2. I never really connected to him.

Eh, I guess that's okay then. Can't really fault you for that.

My reasons for regretting it are: 1. Ashley was snarky.

She's a marine, hence she has an attitude. Wrex was snarky too, so was Garrus at points, and Tali actually. I don't see why Ashley deserves to die for it but not them.

2. Kaiden was with the Salarians.

The same number of Salarians live or die no matter what the outcome, seriously I sent Kaiden with the Salarian team and under the command of Kirrahe almost every single time and while Kaiden always died (I miss him sometimes) Kirrahe always lived, as did Rentola and all the other Salarians that survived the battle.

No more and no less survive if you go to the AA tower instead of the bomb site.

But my serious doubts came when I was watching a youtube clip and saw Ashley Williams gun down Wrex in cold blood.

As opposed to the resulting shower of blood and gore from Shepard's bloody stump where his head used to be had Wrex fired. Which if you listen to what Wrex was saying after he refused to lower his weapon you can probably imagine would have been the result.

That was bullsh*t.

No kidding, I mean a soldier who is ordered to 'get my back' if negotiations fail then doing just that exactly when negotiations fail, wow... what is the world coming to?

Okay, so she's a xenophobic hardass...

Wrong. Ashley isn't xenophobic, at most she is just cautious of alien races and the reason for that is her bad family history, it's people on the internet with their angry blind ranting that mak Ashley sound far worse then she actually is. She;'s not exactly a member of the KKK here people. She's not going around beating up alien minorities or slurring about them or commiting hate crimes. But people seem really convinced that she is....
She isn't nearly as bad as people keep saying she is.

Ashley might have not hesitated to shoot Wrex if she believed he presented a threat to Shepard on Virmire, but shortly thereafter she will happily volunteer to assist the Salarian team (after all, it's her who we see being debriefed by Kirrahe in the beginning) and comfortably working with them, Taking their leaders orders respectfully and working to keep the team alive.

but I never saw how low and ruthless she could get until you answer Wrex the wrong way.
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She was acting on initiative to save her commanding officer and killing the soldier who just pulled a gun on the commander which is actually a pretty big offense. It's not dark or ruthless and it's certainly not founded in the fictional racism everyone thinks Ashley has.

And no, the 'oh she shoots him repeatedly when he's down' is not a valid point either, if Shepard kills Wrex
personally, he too (or she) also shoots Wrex repeatedly while he's down. The attitude is just as cold and just as heartless as what Ashley does. The three shots are there for a different reason. It's because the first shot should have been a kill shot, he survived and so the others were to finish him off.

So if people are willing to judge Ashley for that, then judge Shepard as well. Otherwise it is just not fair. Shepard has the capacity to be just as ruthless as Ashley in the killing of Wrex, possibly even more so.
Let it be clear, Ashley did NOT just gun down Wrex in cold blood for the sheer pleasure of it and her 'harsh cold blooded lowly xenophobia' that's just what the idiots* of the internet seem to think she does.

*want to make it clear, I am not trying to make out that you are an idiot. Sorry if you got that impression.

Modifié par V-rex, 04 décembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[Lord_Caledore]

V-Rex - you are awesome. That is all.

[Flyprdu]

V-Rex, I appreciate the reply and analysis.   But I gotta disagree with you on one point:  She shot Wrex in the back, when things were relatively under control. 

Observe: Standoff with Wrex on Youtube

Apparently to Ashley, "No more talk, Shepard.  I'm going to do this my way"  means "I'ma kill you, sucka!"    To me,  it sounds like Wrex was going to go rogue and leave the group..  not kill Commander Shepard.   And Ashley, who was eavesdropping and didn't know the context, acted rashly by putting a bullet in the back of his hump.

And it begs me to wonder,  if Wrex was human... would she have been so quick to judge for the worse?

But that said,  in my playthrough...I saved Wrex, I saved her.   I didn't have to see this side of her.  But I know what she is capable of...  and it gives me doubts.

[V-rex]

Flyprdu wrote...

V-Rex, I appreciate the reply and analysis.   But I gotta disagree with you on one point:  She shot Wrex in the back, when things were relatively under control. 

Observe: Standoff with Wrex on Youtube

Apparently to Ashley, "No more talk, Shepard.  I'm going to do this my way"  means "I'ma kill you, sucka!"    To me,  it sounds like Wrex was going to go rogue and leave the group..  not kill Commander Shepard.   And Ashley, who was eavesdropping and didn't know the context, acted rashly by putting a bullet in the back of his hump.

But then you look again and see that he is still pointing the gun at Shepard, had he lowered the gun and then said 'Time to do this my way' then it would look like he was going to leave the team. But it really didn't. Because the context in this instance was him saying it in a threatening tone while pointing the gun at Shepard one can assume that Ashley understood the context quite well in this instance.
I mean, notice how Ashley doesn't leap in shooting if Wrex lowers his gun and says 'alright Shepard, you've made your point', that to me indicate that she was paying very close attention.

Remember if he's given the chance he literally blows Fist away with his shotgun after Fist has become disarmed and surrendered, so hearing him say 'doing this my way' while pointing his gun at someone who he is really, really mad at could look like a death threat.
All I'm saying is, Ashley didn't want to wait to see what came next, not when her commander had a gun to her face and was now, herself, disarmed. Wrex had the drop on Shepard and Shepard was helpless and Wrex, had not lowered the gun.
If you ask me, it doesn't look like the situation was 'under control' in any way. Yeah Ashley acted rashly, but truth be told would you rather wait around and then see Shepard's brain tissue plaster across the sand?

And it begs me to wonder,  if Wrex was human... would she have been so quick to judge for the worse?

Absolutely, between insulting politicians and disliking Terra Firma, Ashley doesn't have a great opinon on humanity either.
Wrex being a Krogan had nothing to do with it other than making him a more powerful threat, she would have responded the same if it were a Turian, and Asari, Salarian or even a human.
Pointing a gun at the Commander, endangering the mission and not looking like he is going to be convinced, that is why Ashley pulled the trigger.

I mean hell, given that she's able to comfortably exhange dialogue with aliens quite often over the course of the game, I don't really think she has a bias against aliens.

But that said,  in my playthrough...I saved Wrex, I saved her.   I didn't have to see this side of her.  But I know what she is capable of...  and it gives me doubts.

Truth be told, I have always saved Wrex and saved Ashley as well, not only do I never see that side of her but honestly, I kind of deny it. Because if you ask me, the ruthlessness is actually quite out of character for her, I understand why she would do it in that situation and I certainly don't hold it against her, but as it stands I choose to refuse to accept Ashley killing Wrex as canon.

Truth be told, whenever I see Wrex die on Virmire I always blame the Shepard for being a crappy commander or the player in person for clearly having no idea what they are doing, considering how easy it is to make sure he won't die.

EDIT: By the way if you want my full opinion on this, look for the thread about the Shepard/Wrex/Ashley confrontation on this very section of the forums. I made a wall of text in there all about my opinion on the matter to choke a donkey.

Modifié par V-rex, 04 décembre 2010 - 01:53 .

[TalkToMeNerdy]

Kaidan, because i use biotics in battles quite a bit.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

As a side note...



Firearms instruction (which I presume Ashley, as a Marine, would have taken) repeatedly says that you don't point a gun at something/someone you don't want to put a bullet through and kill.



Ashley had the right to take Wrex down as soon as he raised his weapon.

[Bill Grieshober]

I figured that she could somehow survive on her own - how naive of me!

[Sparda Stonerule]

Honestly, she's a sniper. Anyone who can use Sniper Riffles I will save almost no matter what.



I don't hate either of them, I liked Ashley's strong opinions and Kaiden's ability to get over his past. In the end I went for the team mate I felt would be the best when I was playing the game. Besides she had a personality that stuck out more to me personally. *shrugs*

[DoomMech]

I always usually save Kaiden because he balances out almost all of my spuads. Ashely has what TV Tropers call "Crippling Overspecialization"; she only use guns, but powers are what really turn battles. Besides, having both Wrex and Garrus use assault rifles.

[wootslap]

Not sure if anyone has posted anything along these lines yet, but I always save whoever is with the nuke. It just makes more sense to me to ensure the mission is a success by going to the aid of the person trying to defend the bomb. Always seemed like the most logical decision to me. Gotta make sure that bomb goes off.

[SilverEST]

I usually kept the one that I needed alive. I liked keeping my squads focus in balance, so if I say played an adept/engineer, I kept Ash alive(full soldier). If I played an infil or vanguard, I kept Kaidan alive(sentinel). If I was playing either a sentinel or soldier, I usually kept Kaidan alive because I enjoy the character more, and he has the same VA as Carth Onasi, so.

[derTraumer]

I can be facetious and ride the metagame with excuses and jokes like "Ash was a b-i-t" and such, but in reality? When it came down to it "I left a friend to die that day, and I didn't do it casually." I had to make a choice. I chose Kaidan.

[LPain]

On the first playthrough I saved my LI Kaidan (sentinel playthrough). Second time I saved Ashley as I hadn't done it before (vanguard), third time I did what I really wanted: let Kaidan die again. I do not find him even marginally useful in the way I play (infiltrator) - I choose Liara every time over him and Ashley I use all the time.



As someone said before Ashley dying is kind of epic and perfect ending for the tale, but I do not simply see any point for using Kaidan in MY game (plus that I am still bitter for him being a bastard in Horizon in my first playthough and as charming as his voice is his words are just making me sigh out of boredom).

[Fugiz]

I have... after 3 playthroughs always left her to die.