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[knightnblu]

I assigned Ash to accompany the Salarians because I thought that was where she would do the most good. Alenko I sent to set the bomb because of his technical skill. When I was faced with choosing who lived or who died, I chose Ash because that option would save the STG team and Ash and would leave a defender at the nuke to hold off the aggressors.



Ash was my LI and I liked her a lot, but if the roles had been reversed I would have saved Alenko. So I suppose it was a tactical decision ultimately and yes, I would have done exactly the same in real life.

[Silver Dreamer]

I sent Ashley with the fire team because she's a soldier anyway and Kaiden for the bomb because he has the tech experience (honestly, why couldn't Tali do it?). I saved Kaiden thinking that Ashley would have a shot to escape with a full team of Salarians to help her fight her way out. I didn't realize they were serious about losing one of them on Virimire. I was pissed... but respected Bioware for doing it.

[Xette]

Because killing Kaiden makes me feel good inside

[Moonerie]

I saved Kaidan to see his dialogue at Horizon. Last time I played ME2, I started a new male character and thus, Ashley was at Horizon.

[chem light]

The first time I saved Ashley because I was romancing Kaidan and felt guilty about choosing him over her. Then I realized they were really going to make me give one up, so I reloaded and saved my boy toy.

[Nuclear]

Ashley is a good, skilled soldier and a great comrade for Shepard. The fact that she managed to survive and fight the Geth on Eden Prime while the rest of her squad died really shows her skill. I really like how she is a little xenophobic and a Christian, interesting character traits considering how the ME universe is portrayed. I find her to be be quite agreeable and friendly with my Shepards even with some of the somewhat xenophobic and brash comments she can make. Another thing I like is the fact that despite her family's past and the stain on her family's name, she still strives to be a good Alliance soldier and aims remove that stain and prove the Williams family doesn't deserve their prejudice. Family is another good point since it's refreshing to hear someone actually speaking of good times with family and it gives off a friendly relationship between her and Shepard, that and little conversations like about Kaiden, poems etc. Overall I like her, to me she is a likeable character, a dependable ally, and is quite complex given the way she thinks of things, her family's past, her beliefs, her interests and her goals. Not to mention we share the same political views, damn I hate politics and politicians.



Kaiden on the other hand, is different. I don't find him as useful or as likeable as Ashley. All his job consists of is standing by a panel doing whatever he is doing, a job which could easily be taken over by another technician. His skills are useless to me, either me or another squad member could do them just as easily. I also find his character pales compared to Ashley's. Yes, he has had a past you can sympathise with, what with his whole biotic training with that horrible Turian trainer and unrequited love. But that's just it with him. There's not much else he can talk with you about, other than his L2 implants and comments about things that happen with the storyline, which you can do with anyone. The only difference with him is that you talk about the story more compared to others, even coming to a point were you can actually shift the way he views some things. Compared to Ashley's complex and interesting character, Kaiden is more bland and is not as interesting.



I don't know if you could tell by now, but I save Ashley. Every time. And I have no regrets. I would rather save a skilled, likeable and useful soldier who still has a loving family waiting at home for her than a boring, easily replaceable man who apparently isn't leaving anyone behind anyway.

[jlim]

By killing Kaidan I erased one more **** from the galaxy. Now mankind owes me one. ;D

[BamBam38]

to bang her

[jlim]

Thane knows.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Saved Kaidan always. Why? Because I want him, plain and simple. Well actually Ash, besides being female and of no interest to me because of such, is racist and crazy religious from the discussions I had with her. That and once again, Shepard wants Kaidan. At least mine did. At least I got the commanding moment of telling him to evac in ME2 start instead of Liara by romancing no one in ME1.

[michael1983]

I don't particularly like Ashley but since I always send her with the Salarians, I find it more logical to save 30 people instead of just one.

And that's how it always goes for some strange reason.

[V-rex]

Another day, another of these... well back to the main basic points:

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Well actually Ashis racist

No she isn't. She really, really, really, really isn't. Her distrust of aliens isn't anywhere near as extreme as people make it out to be, she's largely just hesitant about trusting them as allies because she believes that when push comes to shove they will act as all others do and strive to protect their own and leave humanity to the wolves.

She was a realist, not a racist. Also her viewpoint comes from some bad family history and lack of personal experience that has tainted her view of the galaxy a fair bit. At most she's cautious, the blind unreasoning alien hating human supremacist that everyone claims to see with Ashley is literally a being entirely on their own creation.
'That' version of Ashley, simply put, does not exist in the game itself. Instead its all just a tragic overreaction.

and crazy religious from the discussions I had with her.

Again... what?

At most all she ever does is say "I believe in God." She never even goes into detail about her belief structure, if there even is one, all she does is say she believes that her father is with God now. Basically her belief in a higher power helps her to cope with the deaths of loved ones.

Seriously, she mentions ONCE, in the entire course of the game, ONCE that she believes in God. She barely discusses it, doesn't rub your face in it and doesn't try to force her faith down your throat and make you have to believe it. Legitimatley not a single thing about her spirtual side shows any evidence other than that she has a spiritual side.

So basically, all the people who angrily have a problem with this tiny, tiny detail of her personality are revealing way more about themselves then they are about her. Namely that all it takes is a character to say "I believe in God" for the accusations of 'religious crazy fanatic' to start up in the thousands. Pretty bigoted on your end all things considered.

EDIT: That said, you are well within your rights to like Kaidan. I'm certainly not calling you out on that.

Modifié par V-rex, 15 décembre 2010 - 12:15 .

[upsettingshorts]

*signs V-rex's comment with a big "THIS" written in Crayon*

...it was all I had within arms' reach.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 décembre 2010 - 12:09 .

[Jenova65]

All those people who think saving Kirrahe means you have leave the person with the nuke to die, you DO know that has NOTHING to with it, right?

You have to help him out by sabotaging the Geth (comms tower, destroy drones etc) then he survives, trust me on this, I do it every time. I save Kaidan with the nuke (love Ash though :-( .......) and Kirrahe always makes it, cos I do what is required to make sure he does.

And Kaidan is plenty baddass enough, he killed a trained Turian with a single biotic kick as a teenager! Just saying...................

Both characters are good and neither deserve the childish hate, it's just plain daft! :-)

[Jenova65]

Plus I agree with V-rex, Ashley is a strong and brave woman who has carried the stigma of her name for her entire career and never simpers or whines, she gets on with it, she is amazing. I wish I could have saved both!

[upsettingshorts]

It basically means:

*Person with the nuke stays with it.
*Person with Kirrahe stays behind to cover their retreat (or dies with them, depending on your sabotage efforts)

That being said, I haven't posted in this thread in forever.  Didn't realize I responded in the second post, heh.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 décembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[Jenova65]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

*signs V-rex's comment with a big "THIS" written in Crayon*

...it was all I had within arms' reach.

Your new avatar disturbs me slightly (still the funniest/best name on the SN though) 

[Jenova65]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It basically means:

*Person with the nuke stays with it.
*Person with Kirrahe stays behind to cover their retreat (or dies with them, depending on your sabotage efforts)

That being said, I haven't posted in this thread in forever.  Didn't realize I responded in the second post, heh.

Exactly! Should have made that bit clearer...........

[Ulathar]

I saved Ashley for two (RP) reasons.



1. I sent her with the Salarians and from an RP point of view, thought going there would help save more lives, as in the Salarians and Ashley. Kaidan was with the bomb and armed it and "I" trusted him that he'd see to it that the bomb went off.

That doesn't mean it's not possible to save the Salarians by saving the one at the bomb as has been pointed out here already.

2. Because deep down I, as in my Shepard, thought saving 'the woman' is more important.



I would definately have prefered saving both of them, though. I saved Kaidan with my FemShep, though.

[Elvis_Mazur]

I saved Kaidan in my first playthrough; although I was really like "man, what should I do?", then I just decided that Kaidan was very important for my main team, so I chose him.

[hawat333]

At the first occasion: Aside from being a bit partial, it was a heavy decision.

So the final choice depended on the tactical scenario. I wanted to make sure the bomb goes off. No matter what. So I went back to be sure the outumbering foes are retaliated and saved Ash in the process.

[Jade5233]

It was a hard decision--and one that storywise I thought was a big difference with ME compared to other RPG games--your decisions make an impact on the game that you feel (I wish ME2 followed through with that more).

I had to pause and think in making that decision.  But I had to choose Kaidan.
The reason Kimbri (my Shepard) would have given Alliance brass or Kaidan himself was that he was the higher ranked officer, a valuable rare L2 biotic, and the one with the technical skills who had to make sure that bomb went off.

The real reason, however, is that she loves him (still does--she completely faithful through ME2 to Kaidan).  There's no way she could have left him to die on Virmire without it ripping her heart and soul apart.

[AkodoRyu]

chem light wrote...

The first time I saved Ashley because I was romancing Kaidan and felt guilty about choosing him over her. Then I realized they were really going to make me give one up, so I reloaded and saved my boy toy.

Chem, I laughed reading this, because those were my exact feelings the first time I got this game. So, yeah, I'm saving Kaidan, because for my only one Shepard he's someone special. No matter how many times she can tell herself "it was the right decision" (superiority of ranks and so on...), "I had to make sure the bomb goes off" (because what if he falls and the geth manage to do something?).
From the story perspective, for me, Ashley's death has more sense, thou leaving her was difficult.

[cYezi]

'Cause Kaiden's a hunk. Rawr