1339 Antworten in diesem Thema

[NCLanceman]

Virmire



*NCLanceman's MaleShepard has to make a difficult decision... which really isn't that difficult.*



Shepard: *flat* Oh god. Now I've gotta save either Kaiden or Ash...

Kaiden: It's cool. I've basically dealt with my demons.

Ashley: I want to liiiiiiiiiiiiiive! I've got my family name to clear! I want to see this thing through with Saren! I wanna tell you how much I care and changed throughout this voyage!

Kaiden: She has a good point you know.

Shepard: Kaiden... come on. Give yourself a chance here. I even gave you the nuke because I thought you'd make a pretty cool crack about "explosive solutions" since you used to be Scorch and Republic Commando was awesome.

Kaiden: Nah... I'm... I'm good. I'm the quiet dignity guy here.

Shepard: *flat* That only really works if the quiet guy has given some real reason for people to empathize. *secures helmet* Ash! Get ready for pickup!





Virmire, this time with NCLanceman's Female Shepard



Shepard: I hope you realize the only reason I'm saving you is because my male twin left Ashley for Tali and there really shouldn't be a gap in delicious drama between the two.

Kaiden: It's okay. I care about your feelings.

Shepard: I liked you much better when I was a guy.

Kaiden: It's not going to break regulations or anything if I actually admit I have feelings or anything, is it?

Shepard: I hope you realize I'm going to leave you for Garrus at the first available opportunity.

Kaiden: That... doesn't quite answer my question.

Shepard: *facepalm, slow exhale* I need a drink. *deep breath* I swear to Almighty Christ I'm not going to report you to anyone. Jesus.

Kaiden: Good. Cause I care. A lot.

Shepard: This would've been so much easier if I could go gay for Ashley.

[Comrade Bork]

NCLanceman wrote...
Republic Commando was awesome.

+9001

[vigna]

Cause I'm sexist apparently and I can't bear to let Ash die...sorry, Kaidan.

[Estelindis]

This has to have been answered a bajillion and one times already, but:



First time, I saved Ash, because my Shep was in love with Kaidan and I thought his death would make the story more dramatic.



Subsequently, I saved Kaidan, because my Shep didn't actually emote much over his death, and it ultimately wasn't nearly as dramatic as I hoped. Plus post-grounding locker scene is sweet.



I'm always amazed by how many people kill Character X because they hate them. I mean, I get that roleplaying is detached from real life and all, but it hardly seems like a healthy approach for anyone...

[turian councilor Knockout]

I saved kaidan so ashley dont freak out or get annoying in ME 3 when shepard is with liara.

[huntrrz]

I saved Ashley because she was with the STG team. I sent Kaiden with the bomb because he was the tech. Saving Ashley meant saving the Salarians, and that's good interstellar relations.



Ashley seemed to think it was all about her, but at least the STG team acknowledged what I did and promised to report it.

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huntrrz wrote...

I saved Ashley because she was with the STG team. I sent Kaiden with the bomb because he was the tech. Saving Ashley meant saving the Salarians, and that's good interstellar relations.

Ashley seemed to think it was all about her, but at least the STG team acknowledged what I did and promised to report it.

yah it really came down to saving the STG team versus Ashley or Kaiden for me on my first playthrough.  Then I just put whoever I want to save with the STG team.  The person with the bomb dies.  Figures that it would be a quick maybe a painless death.

[Christmas Ape]

I'm always amazed by how many people kill Character X because they hate them. I mean, I get that roleplaying is detached from real life and all, but it hardly seems like a healthy approach for anyone...

Sweet Christ on a bicycle, this horsecrap again.

Killing off a character in a computer RPG is typically the only way you won't have to see them again at all. Even if you never talk to Kaiden he's right there at the console, across the mess from Sick Bay, just waiting. In this regard, "kill" means "remove from my experience". It's more like not going to a party because someone you can't personally stand is going to be there, or refusing to invite someone you can't stand to your party.

When you combine this with the game telling you "Choose one to die, Shepard" (million points if you've heard that line in a CRPG and can tell me which one) every single time you play to a certain point, it's a pretty logical outcome. You have to get one person out of your party, there's one person in your party you don't like. It's a problem that solves itself.



None of the above should be taken as more relevant than the fact that THEY ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE AND NOTHING YOU DO TO THEM MAKES A TINY LICK OF DIFFERENCE OUTSIDE THE GAME UNIVERSE OR CONSERVATIVE FEARMONGERING ON THE CORRUPTING POWER OF THE VIDYA GAME. It's not even as if this is some kind of Heavy Rain-esque murder simulator and you have to grip and vigorously shake the controller to strangle the character while his digitized visage struggles, gasps, and turns blue in high-def right in front of your eyes, clawing feebly at your hands until his eyes go dim. You push the thumbstick towards the name of the NPC you prefer and you push A.

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Christmas Ape wrote...

I'm always amazed by how many people kill Character X because they hate them. I mean, I get that roleplaying is detached from real life and all, but it hardly seems like a healthy approach for anyone...

Sweet Christ on a bicycle, this horsecrap again.
Killing off a character in a computer RPG is typically the only way you won't have to see them again at all. Even if you never talk to Kaiden he's right there at the console, across the mess from Sick Bay, just waiting. In this regard, "kill" means "remove from my experience". It's more like not going to a party because someone you can't personally stand is going to be there, or refusing to invite someone you can't stand to your party.
When you combine this with the game telling you "Choose one to die, Shepard" (million points if you've heard that line in a CRPG and can tell me which one) every single time you play to a certain point, it's a pretty logical outcome. You have to get one person out of your party, there's one person in your party you don't like. It's a problem that solves itself.

None of the above should be taken as more relevant than the fact that THEY ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE AND NOTHING YOU DO TO THEM MAKES A TINY LICK OF DIFFERENCE OUTSIDE THE GAME UNIVERSE OR CONSERVATIVE FEARMONGERING ON THE CORRUPTING POWER OF THE VIDYA GAME. It's not even as if this is some kind of Heavy Rain-esque murder simulator and you have to grip and vigorously shake the controller to strangle the character while his digitized visage struggles, gasps, and turns blue in high-def right in front of your eyes, clawing feebly at your hands until his eyes go dim. You push the thumbstick towards the name of the NPC you prefer and you push A.

thats what I said in my murder defense case 3 years ago!!

[nadoni]

Well, to be honest in my first playthrough I saved the one who was with the bomb because I thought it would be easier just to go back instead of going an unknown way.... heh..=/



But now it's always a tough decision. I like both of them and I wish there was a way to save Ash as well as Kai =3

[jbblue05]

My main shep wanted to sleep with Ash he can't do that if she's dead



I find it hard to kill women for some reason

[TekFanX]

Because Ashley was a tough female soldier with enough emotional background to recite peotry, while Kaidan whined about his past and how he felt like a monster when he killed the turian that tortured him and the girl he loved.

I mean, I understand that Kaidan, but I would have slapped a medal on his suit for killing that a-hole of a turian.



Plus: I didn't like the other romance-option for m-shep. I like Liara, but somehow she didn't hit my taste.

[Estelindis]

Christmas Ape wrote...
THEY ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE AND NOTHING YOU DO TO THEM MAKES A TINY LICK OF DIFFERENCE OUTSIDE THE GAME UNIVERSE OR CONSERVATIVE FEARMONGERING ON THE CORRUPTING POWER OF THE VIDYA GAME.

No need to get so angry simply because your point of view is one that I can understand at a verbal level (you explained it well) but never at an emotional one (even if my character kills a villian, it won't be because of dislike but for story reasons).

Also no need to play the conservative fearmongering card.  Personally, I don't believe that any book, film, or videogame can persuade a person to do something they don't want to do.  Having studied the history of literature, I am aware that people thought the novel was a corrupting experience when it first emerged as an art form.  But the trouble with any of these theories is that one is always so worried about other people.  "Others" are weak enough to be swayed by the immersion of self in a fictional narrative; it is assumed that "I" am not.  In general, I think that theories that exalt the self above the other tend to be props for the ego, and thus flawed.

Bear in mind that I already said my decision in my first playthrough was based on drama.  Does that mean I think that drama is a source of real-life moral inspiration when it comes to deciding who should live and who should die?  Of course not.  But drama is one of the foremost factors that interest me in fiction; that's just how my mind works.  It happens that yours seems to be dissimilar in this respect, but hopefully you can tolerate my difference.

Bearbeitet von Estelindis, 13 September 2010 - 07:53 .

[SirRengeti]

My reason:

I throw a dice everytime and 1-3 means safe Kaidan, 4-6 means safe Ashley.

[maxernst]

Just playing ME for the first time and I ended up saving Kaidan, although I thought I was placing him in greater danger. But when it came down to choose, it's not save Kaidan or save Ashley, but save one of your squad vs. save one of your squad plus a bunch of Salarians. So it wasn't that hard a choice for me in game.



From a pragmatic standpoint, I might have been better off saving Ashley, since I haven't made very good use of Kaidan's biotics. On the other hand, Ashley was getting on my nerves coming on to Commander Shepherd--terribly unprofessional. But in game, it was just save one or save many.

[Flamewielder]

Wow, that takes me back...



Let's see... my canon Shepard is a spacer war hero paragon infiltrator who had Ashley as his LI. I knew that at some point, I was going to have to choose between the two, but didn't know exactly when. So When Captain Kirrahee asked for a volunteer to lead the distraction team, I gave him Kaidan because I thought I was sacrificing him. But Kaidan being a Lieutenant, it also made military sense to assign him to lead a unit.



Later, when I had to choose between rescueing Ash at the nuke site or Kaidan at the AA tower, I decided to save Ash, but my Shepard's report states that he did it to insure that no geth could disarm the device in the event Chief Williams was overwhelmed...



I like to think my Shepard's trying very hard to convince himself he did it to save the nuke, even if deep down he did it to save the girl.

[Z-Dragon]

I liked her character more then Kaiden's (only played as a male Shepard), and as sexist as it may sound, give me a choice between saving a guy or a girl, and I'll choose the girl every time

[Dark-Madness]

Saved Ashley because I NEVER use Kaiden in combat. Though after playing through part 2 time and time again, I regret it. I really dont like her. Shes so... whats the word... female?

[Kolos2]

Kaiden is of senior rank, by military tradition officers always jump first into the frey

Not always the best policy to have, since you can lose most of the qualified leadership that way, 

Bearbeitet von Kolos2, 14 September 2010 - 09:34 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Kolos2 wrote...

Kaiden is of senior rank, by military tradition officers always jump first into the frey

Not always the best policy to have, since you can lose most of the qualified leadership that way, 

ensign. senior officers are more into paper pushing orders than to be in the midst of actions:unsure:

[close2myheart]

I save Kaidan.

Honest reason? He's cute and I just couldn't kill my LI. I still feel bad about Ash, though.

[DPSSOC]

My first playthrough I saved Ash because I honestly thought I could save them both and figured it'd be best to secure the nuke first (I had sent Kaidan with the Salarians cause I wanted Ash in my squad). Upon realizing I was wrong I had to stop playing for a while (yeah it hit me that hard, I liked Kaidan, and Carth). Now it generally boils down to who is my LI if I'm playing an emotional Shep or who's with the Salarians if I'm playing a more task/goal oriented Shep (Going for the Salarians saves the most people).

[Epsilon584]

I chose kaiden, bros before hoes

[Mister Mida]

Usually I choose Ashley because I wanna try to NOT get into a relationship with her, which can only work if you're a real jackass.