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[jeweledleah]

http://tvtropes.org/...waysSaveTheGirl

its almost built into us from an early age that females are saved over males. its IMO the major reason why they made Kaidan an officer rather then foot soldier, a rare stable l2 biotic and all in all a marine so exemplary that saving Ashley no longer looks like an automatically better choice.

being at peace with own death doesn't enter into it, at least not for the characters themselves. both of them are prepared to die, they are soldiers after all. both of them have a future to live for (Kaidan has an extended family too, you just hear more about Ashley's especially if you play maleshep)

[KirstyLionheart]

I saved Kaidan because he was the chosen one...



Basically, I romanced the hell out of him.

[Jimbe2693]

Bros before hoes.

I just like Kaidan better.

[Legion swe]

I saved Ashley first hand because I romanced her and second I liked her character way more than Kaidan. I like that she is a strong women and that she had a tough attitude, makes her such a good soldier imo.

[ubermensch007]

I'm so glad that you ask My reasons for saving Ash instead of Kai are many.It's not as simple as, "She is my love interest.I have an emotional investment in that character and i haven't even had sex with her yet If i made my decision for those reasons i would not be worthy of command.There is no way that i would let myself get away with such blatant favortism!! Even for a L.I.

No, its more to it than that.From a military perspective: ME1, made me feel at many times like the unexpected could happen anywhere at anytime.I chose to have Ashley arm the bomb and i truly did believe that had i not gone back to aid her, than not only would she die, but if the Geth could not disarm the nuke, than they would have just picked it up, placed it on a transport vehicle and flew away from the blast site, before it detonated...I kidd you not, that is what i really thought was going to happen, lol...

Beyond that possibility though: I felt that Kaidan (even though as Ashley herself states, that he was a far better soldier than she and much more of an asset) was in a better place in his life, to die; than Ms.Williams was.I am a spiritual person in many respects and i felt that Ashley's soul, needed to be in this world a bit longer, to allow it to mature and better herself in some ways, before going on to whatever is to come after this life.

Kaidan Alenko, on the other hand is highly evolved already in his thought and being.As much good as he could continue to do in the galaxy, what Ashley needed to do for herself: Let go of her (rightful) resentment of the Alliance treatment of her family: Her desire to bring honor and glory to her family's name, even at the cost of her life if necessary: And her hostility and prejudice towards aliens.After being reunited with her again in ME2, i think i made the right choice

[Inutaisho7996]

I sent Kaiden with the salarian team, and let Ashley set up the bomb. I decided that protecting the bomb from the geth was more important.

[Labrev]

I went Ashley first because I prefered a combat specialist and thought she was a more powerful ally. Makes sense, then, to keep the one you think will be more useful in your mission to stop Saren. I was afraid though that maybe her being my LI was blinding me. I don't think it was, but who knows.

But I went back and am re-doing that career, and Kaiden will live, knowing the situation now better than I did before. My feelings being:

--- Superior Officer: Kaiden has a higher rank so saving him should be priority anyway, and he is also said to have an impressive service record. And when you see him again in ME2, he has earned the rank of Commander. The Alliance needs the better soldier, and I will likely need the Alliance in ME3.
--- Strength? while I did find Ash to be a stronger squadmate Kaiden, I think that the difference between the two as squadmates will ultimately be negligible in ME3 (granted that we're reunited).
--- Morality: Again, Kaiden is more qualified to move up the ranks. With a successful mission in stopping Saren,  a promotion in the Alliance for either one was inevitable. It goes back to Kaiden being more worthy of it. Whenever there was a moral dilemma of any kind, Ash typically supported the decisions I did not. Kaiden, the opposite. Ash is pretty much a renegade, Kaiden a paragon. He will be a better leader for it, IMO.
--- Less stupidity: Shepard looks incredibly stupid in my eyes to come back to life in ME2 and not even look for Ashley. I mean really. If it were me, my love interest would be one of the first things I think of when I wake up. Then I would head straight for wherever the hell she is after the Freedom's Progress mission. Not an option in the game though, and I can't stand it because I try to play my main Shepard as myself. Not bothering to see Kaiden, on the other hand, not such a big deal for manshep.

It's a little unfortunate because I do like Ashley and it means that Shepard will be going into Ilos dry (well, maybe not after I visit Sha'ira again on the Citadel) but you don't make those decisions based off of love. All in all, I just think Kaiden is the "right" choice and will somehow be more useful in #3.

[Labrev]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

I sent Kaiden with the salarian team, and let Ashley set up the bomb. I decided that protecting the bomb from the geth was more important.

People use this reasoning too, but I'm not sure I buy it though. IMO, if the geth disarming the bomb was an issue at all, then it would have been raised by one or both teammates that the bomb had to be protected. As much as both of them told Shepard to save the other, I think they'd agree that the bomb must be saved regardless who is where. I'm inclined to think it wasn't an issue, since neither one spoke up.

And with the bomb being a non-issue I'd be more compelled, then, to save the other group. More lives saved, and the salairan espionage team comes back as witnesses to what happened with whatever info they found.

[Avalon Aurora]

I saved Kaiden (who was protecting the bomb), Ashley died, but somehow saved Kirahe's team in the process, so she died a heroine and got a ton of medals and I felt satisfied. The main reason I saved Kaiden is because human biotics are relatively rare, but soldiers are a dime a dozen, and they are both good soldiers, but Kaiden's survival likely provides greater long term benefits for the Alliance and humanity, especially as he is one of the few stable L2s. Additionally, he is generally more useful in game in that he can use tech skills as well. Also, my Shep was a soldier, so Ashley tended to be redundant to my Shepard's skills. I originally sent Ashley with Kirahe's team because I thought they could use a heavily armored tank fighter to draw fire more than another sneaky skill wizard type which a Salarian STG team would be made up of. Additionally, I'd talked with Ashley enough that I trusted her to be able to work with aliens despite her distrust of them, and when it came time to protect the bomb or the STG team, I decided the bomb was more important, since that was what we all went in to do in the first place, and the STG team was willing to sacrifice their lives to ensure the bomb went off.

[Chuvvy]

I liked Kaiden. He's the type of guy I'd hang out with. Ash isn't the type of girl I'd date.

[sevalaricgirl]

Abispa wrote...

I've said this in other forums, but I have no idea why so many people bring up Ashley's religious views as a negative. Yes, there is no God in reality

It's nice that you can be so sure about that.

I save Kaidan every time and always will.  He's a decent guy with a strong biotic/tech background. 

[Quething]

I've never understood the "have to make sure the bomb goes off" argument. On the off chance that the game was lying to you when it told you twice that there was no way to disarm it once it started ticking (admittedly not an unreasonable assumption for Shep to make), what's the worst thing that could happen if you lose the bomb site? The facility isn't destroyed, and Saren is able to salvage his genophage cure (though he won't do it quickly or easily with all his scientists dead and half the facility shot to hell).

On the other hand, what's the worst thing that could happen if you lose the AA tower? The Normandy gets shot down and no one escapes. Including Shepard, the only sane person in the entire galaxy who has the full message from the Beacon and thus the only hope the galaxy has of defeating the Reapers.

Saren's krogan are a problem, but they're not the immediate problem and Shep can't reasonably prioritize them over the Reapers.

Modifié par Quething, 07 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[L337Sarge]

On my most recent playthrough:

I killed off Kaiden so that Liara wouldn't have any possible competition. It was as simple as that.

[landis963]

I killed Ashley for a few reasons; One, Kaidan was a biotic, and I admit to a little OOC biotic favoritism. Two, my Shep wanted to check on the bomb, make sure that all the effort wasn't for nothing. Three, my Shep and I thought it would be a greater service to Ashley for her to die in battle than it was to Kaidan for him to die in an explosion. Four, my Shep knew Kaidan better than Ashley, as they had served under Captain Anderson for quite a while before Ashley entered the picture. The devil you know is better than the one you don't, right?

God, I feel so callous saying that last reason.

[Matterialize]

I save Kaidan every time, it's the most logical choice. Makes more sense for him to stay with the bomb, makes more sense to go defend the bomb when the time comes.

[Namimania]

if my creator is female i safe kaidan and if male ash is going safe (:

[Milkweed]

honestly she was crushing on shepard couldnt just let her die plus alenco was miserable about his past , and he was physicaly suffering from his implants it seemd like a mercy kill.

[Grimjesse127]

I saved Kaidan because after playing ME2 I realised Ashley's a ****.

[Dandynermite]

Always, always save Ashley. Liara is a better biotic, Tali is better tech, and Ashley is the best soldier, no logical reason to leave her

[Caralampio]

I hate that choice. Would burn any of the aliens instead if I could.

[mcpothead]

Saved Kaiden he has better abilities but hated both of them.

[Youknow]

First time I saved Ashley because I thought he might have been able to save himself, and Ashley was with the bomb, and I didn't want it to be tampered with or disarmed. Sure they said it would be difficult to disarm, but the people trying to disarm it would probably be robots. What's "not a lot of time" for humans might be enough for a bot. Kaidan was my romance, and he died that there. I don't reload saves to alter choices. I just go with the flow.

After that, I usually save Kaidan because he's a tech/biotic specialist and a higher rank. It doesn't make sense to choose Ashley over him. Unless I decide to romance Ashley, she never lives.

Modifié par Youknow, 21 mars 2011 - 12:13 .

[Grumpy-Mcfart]

depends on the story I have in mind for each Shep

for instance, the last one I did I sent love interest Ash with the salarian team and fell back to defend the bomb, because the story I had in mind for that shep (spacer/war hero) needed a deep personal loss to underscore the danger. and then in ME2 this Shep found love in a place he never expected, wearing an enviro-suit

[Lee337]

Quething wrote...

I've never understood the "have to make sure the bomb goes off" argument. On the off chance that the game was lying to you when it told you twice that there was no way to disarm it once it started ticking (admittedly not an unreasonable assumption for Shep to make), what's the worst thing that could happen if you lose the bomb site? The facility isn't destroyed, and Saren is able to salvage his genophage cure (though he won't do it quickly or easily with all his scientists dead and half the facility shot to hell).

On the other hand, what's the worst thing that could happen if you lose the AA tower? The Normandy gets shot down and no one escapes. Including Shepard, the only sane person in the entire galaxy who has the full message from the Beacon and thus the only hope the galaxy has of defeating the Reapers.

Saren's krogan are a problem, but they're not the immediate problem and Shep can't reasonably prioritize them over the Reapers.

Didn't they blow the AA tower up? I'm sure I heard that it was over the comms.