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[robtheguru]

I just hate Kaiden. No other reason than that. If it wasn't for Virmire i'd have strapped Kaiden to a torpedo and launched him into a star.

[LadyJaneGrey]

OP: I choose based on who has the skill set that Shepard needs.

[Lumikki]

Asley is only real soldier class squad member in hole game serie. Unique it's own way.

Użytkownik Lumikki edytował ten post 15 wrzesień 2010 - 02:01

[Whiteshiro]

What?

Christmas Ape wrote...

I'm always amazed by how many people kill Character X because they hate them. I mean, I get that roleplaying is detached from real life and all, but it hardly seems like a healthy approach for anyone...

Sweet Christ on a bicycle, this horsecrap again.
Killing off a character in a computer RPG is typically the only way you won't have to see them again at all. Even if you never talk to Kaiden he's right there at the console, across the mess from Sick Bay, just waiting. In this regard, "kill" means "remove from my experience". It's more like not going to a party because someone you can't personally stand is going to be there, or refusing to invite someone you can't stand to your party.
When you combine this with the game telling you "Choose one to die, Shepard" (million points if you've heard that line in a CRPG and can tell me which one) every single time you play to a certain point, it's a pretty logical outcome. You have to get one person out of your party, there's one person in your party you don't like. It's a problem that solves itself.

None of the above should be taken as more relevant than the fact that THEY ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE AND NOTHING YOU DO TO THEM MAKES A TINY LICK OF DIFFERENCE OUTSIDE THE GAME UNIVERSE OR CONSERVATIVE FEARMONGERING ON THE CORRUPTING POWER OF THE VIDYA GAME. It's not even as if this is some kind of Heavy Rain-esque murder simulator and you have to grip and vigorously shake the controller to strangle the character while his digitized visage struggles, gasps, and turns blue in high-def right in front of your eyes, clawing feebly at your hands until his eyes go dim. You push the thumbstick towards the name of the NPC you prefer and you push A.

[Merlin 47]

I honestly never use Kaiden.  But along the same veins as Flamewielder's post, my MaleShep is a Spacer War Hero Paragon soldier.  I always send Ash (because she's a marksman) with the STG; Kaiden goes with the bomb (because he's got tech experience).

I'm going to go save Ash, not because I never use Kaiden or don't care for him (despite what jokes I may make), but because it's Ash and the STG.  My job there on Virmire (as my Shepard saw it), was to save as many lives as possible.  Do I really like having someone die?  No.....but that's just me (and I made sure that everyone survived the
Suicide Run in ME 2).

Do I regret choosing Ash over Kaiden?  Not really, since I like Jacob more than I do Kaiden and Liara as a biotic has really come a long way since the days of ME 1.

(Edited for easier reading)

Użytkownik Merlin 47 edytował ten post 16 wrzesień 2010 - 09:56

[Pedrak]

I saved Ashley because... er, because I wanted to tap that

I know, deep roleplay here - I'm usually better than that.

I ultimately settled for Liara (whom I liked better for her personality) so poor Kaidan must be rolling in his grave right now.

Użytkownik Pedrak edytował ten post 16 wrzesień 2010 - 05:54

[mander83]

I've only played through ME once (currently in the middle of my second) but I definitely saved Kaidan.



First because Garrus and Kaidan had been my squad for the entire game. I tried mixing it up a bit but I just never liked anything as well as those two.



Second because we you have to decide, Kaidan is right there. There is no running off to some unknown area to get anyone. Just grab him and go.



Third because he was my LI. I found that I grew very fond of him over the course of the game- more so than Ash.



It wasn't an easy decision though. I think I literally sat there staring at the screen for a few minutes having no idea what to do. Mainly because I could think of good reasons to save both of them. I really liked Ash as well. Though the best argument I've heard for saving her is if you sent her with the salarians (which I did). For whatever reason, the extra lives saved/lost never even occurred to me during the first play through. My Shep is very much a "save as many people as possible" kind of girl. So, we'll see for next time.

[Master Soko]

It was tough, but because I loved her, i saved her.....  These were the only two i used throughout the game.

Użytkownik Master Soko edytował ten post 16 wrzesień 2010 - 06:40

[Estelindis]

Honestly, if someone has had their Shep romance Ash or Kai, I think the majority of people save Shep's love interest because she or he is Shep's love interest, and then try to justify the decision in other ways.

I wonder if that's why their *Shepard* does it, though? How many of our heroes / heroines ended up compromising their military decision-making just because they couldn't follow fraternisation rules? I'd wager quite a lot. Sometimes I think mine was one of them. But it's a complex decision and there are many good arguments for Ash or Kai, or for the tower or the bomb.

Użytkownik Estelindis edytował ten post 17 wrzesień 2010 - 02:33

[MisterDyslexo]

Hmm... Ashley, a fairly attractive chick with a personality I love, or Kaiden, a much mroe attractive guy who is really a dynamic character with a fair level of depth, and did I mention every time I walk up to him, it looks like the beginning of a gay porno? Hmmm....



Can I leave Tali?

[Cypher0020]

one run where I saved kaidan, one where I saved Ash



simple the LI thing did come into play, but also the changes it brings importing the save files



Ash is a great friend to my femshep that romanced Liara

[hawat333]

With a Spacer/War Hero background character, I save Kaidan every time. He's a superior officer, and Shepard is too disciplined and reasonable.

On every other character, it depends on the emotional bound and/or the developing friendship. Basically, personal preference for that Shepard.



So my decision is based on the character Shepard embodies.



That's comes out as 5 saved Ash and 4 saved Kaidan.

[Lovestories]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Hmm... Ashley, a fairly attractive chick with a personality I love, or Kaiden, a much more attractive guy who is really a dynamic character with a fair level of depth, and did I mention every time I walk up to him, it looks like the beginning of a gay porno? Hmmm....

Can I leave Tali?

Looooooooool I wish I could have done that too.

When I've kept Ash its been for romance reasons. Otherwise I'd keep Kaidan he's a Lt. His Job is to give orders when I can't, Ashley's is to run into bullets

Użytkownik Lovestories edytował ten post 17 wrzesień 2010 - 08:35

[Aradace]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I save Kaidan, because I think Ashley Williams has a pretty good story arc if she dies on Virmire. She gets to redeem her family name, and posthumously earns medals from - well - every race out there practically, according to the news in ME2. I highly doubt any future Williamses would have any problem advancing in the Systems Alliance military. It seems - for a character that loves poetry - a poetic way to die. Especially if she went down fighting alongside Salarians - so I usually send her with them.

If Kaidan dies on Virmire, if I was reading about his story in a history book - it just doesn't have any punch to it. He's only that guy who died on Virmire when the nuke went off. Maybe human biotics get a better shake, but you could help them out through a sidemission. I just think more needs to happen with Kaidan for him to be interesting.

ManShep or FemShep, Paragon or Renegade - my ME1 Shepard either romances Liara or nobody, so that doesn't come into it.

It's kind of funny because my reasons for sending Kaiden to die on Virmire are kind of the same but kind of the opposite of yours.  But mostly because Kaiden simply is "That guy who died on Virmire".  He's bland, and he's a weiner lol.  If I had the dialog option in ME2 where asked about sending Kaiden to die on Virmire, I'd have selected "Kaiden who?" lol.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I save Ashley because I love her and want to romance her. I saved Kaidan because I wanted to romance him once, and it tore me apart watching Ashley blowing up on Virmrie.

[krimesh]

I send Kaidan with the Salarians, because I figure that he may cooperate with them better. When the decision has to be made, I figure that Ash is alone while Kaidan is with the Salarians, so I go where I think that I can safe more lives.



I am not sure that my reasoning is good though, because I don't remember if there are any Normandy crew with the person you leave with the bomb.

[thespianicism]

I always save the person at the nuke. The geth are technical geniuses. If they kill the marine before the bomb goes off and then dismantle it, we're all screwed. Usually, Kaidan is at the bomb because he's Mr.Tech Man (though I sent Ash once so she'd survive.) It also helps that Kaidan is frequently my Shep's LI...

Edit:

Also, when my femshep romanced Liara, I had a hard time turning down Kaidan. So I just made him think Shep loved him, then went to Virmire early, and nuked him. That reasoning looks pretty bad now that I've typed it out... 

Użytkownik thespianicism edytował ten post 17 wrzesień 2010 - 12:31

[clennon8]

thespianicism wrote...

I always save the person at the nuke. The geth are technical geniuses. If they kill the marine before the bomb goes off and then dismantle it, we're all screwed. Usually, Kaidan is at the bomb because he's Mr.Tech Man (though I sent Ash once so she'd survive.) It also helps that Kaidan is frequently my Shep's LI...

Edit:

Also, when my femshep romanced Liara, I had a hard time turning down Kaidan. So I just made him think Shep loved him, then went to Virmire early, and nuked him. That reasoning looks pretty bad now that I've typed it out... 

...but it sounded ok in your head?  lol.

[krimesh]

^^
Yes, I have worried about the Geth disabling the bomb too, but on the other hand nukes tend to be unstoppable once the chain-reaction gets going. Also the person at the bomb is practically sitting on the things, so starting the process can't be a problem.

Użytkownik krimesh edytował ten post 17 wrzesień 2010 - 01:05

[Urazz]

Basically, it's either deciding to go back to save that squad member and protect the bomb long enough that you can fend off the attack on it and ensure it goes off while leaving. Or you could go save the STG squad and your other squadmate. Either way it's a tough call and either decision is a good call.

I myself decided to save the squad member I sent with the salarians (Ashley)

Użytkownik Urazz edytował ten post 17 wrzesień 2010 - 01:49

[Merlin 47]

Lovestories wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Hmm... Ashley, a fairly attractive chick with a personality I love, or Kaiden, a much more attractive guy who is really a dynamic character with a fair level of depth, and did I mention every time I walk up to him, it looks like the beginning of a gay porno? Hmmm....

Can I leave Tali?

Looooooooool I wish I could have done that too.

When I've kept Ash its been for romance reasons. Otherwise I'd keep Kaidan he's a Lt. His Job is to give orders when I can't, Ashley's is to run into bullets

No thanks; I'll leave Kaiden every time.  I found him too bland and boring.  And I actually used Tali and Garrus in my first playthough (Used Ash and Garrus in my second, then Grunt and Liara in a different playthrough).

[Christmas Ape]

clennon8 wrote...

thespianicism wrote...
I always save the person at the nuke. The geth are technical geniuses. If they kill the marine before the bomb goes off and then dismantle it, we're all screwed. Usually, Kaidan is at the bomb because he's Mr.Tech Man (though I sent Ash once so she'd survive.) It also helps that Kaidan is frequently my Shep's LI...
Edit:
Also, when my femshep romanced Liara, I had a hard time turning down Kaidan. So I just made him think Shep loved him, then went to Virmire early, and nuked him. That reasoning looks pretty bad now that I've typed it out... 

...but it sounded ok in your head?  lol.

Makeshift nuclear devices: Helping Marines avoid awkward break-up conversations since 2183.

[hamtyl07]

My reason is the same I give for Jacob kadian is a real douche in my opinion. I have never and will never use ash as an LI liara is my only choice for that


besides that ash may be a real b*tch but i do find a little racism funny sometimes....... but thats just me i do have weird sense of humor

Użytkownik hamtyl07 edytował ten post 17 wrzesień 2010 - 07:34

[Homebound]

I wanted my colonist/sole survivor shep to be miserable. XD