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[PCMN]

Kaiden wasn't a Xenoist (like racist, but with aliens) jerk who would have been a better candidate for Cerberus than the Allience military

[Legion91]

ashley because she is hot

[Saremei]

Ashley, because she's the most realistic, believable and powerful squadmate of ME1. None of the others can kill as well as she can with the right gear.

[Gonzorox]

I extremely hate both of them, but I ended up sacrificing Carth, I mean Kaiden, since I hated him the most. At least Ashley is hot, Kaiden is just annoying.

[Missnuki]

I'm new to the series and thought I could keep both, but eventually realize I was dumb. So I kept Kaidan, for the achievement. While experimenting with party dynamics, I discovered that Kaidan and Liara are beasts in a battle. So I just equipped them with Spectre stuff and set them loose on the galaxy. I'm glad to have them together again for ME3.

I like Ashley, but I like mowing through enemies even more. I decided to re-play ME again, as a guy, but I think I'm going to keep Kaidan just because he & Liara work perfectly together. I already have my romance achievements, there's no need to pursue anyone with my Renegade Dude!Shep playthrough.

Modifié par Missnuki, 03 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[Davillo]

I saved Ash because I overheard Kaidan is a little bi and that it totally unacceptable, I even steered the characters in DA:2 straight.

[AlisdairTW]

Kaiden because basically he's Carth Onasi. He's even voiced by the same guy.

[Reikilea]

Davillo wrote...

I saved Ash because I overheard Kaidan is a little bi and that it totally unacceptable, I even steered the characters in DA:2 straight.

Suprised me that you didnt let Liara rot on Therum. (if you had a chance). Because she is bi too, you know.

Oh wait it doesnt matter because she is female. And hot blue alien on top of that. 

Poor Steeve, then.  

[VinnyFx]

I always killed her off cause hes kind of a ****, and a super racist towards aliens.... and kaiden is my homie but im replaying and saving her its going to be so hard for me to let kaiden die -.- (cause shes hot in me3 lol)

[lordbyro]

Because hi's hot (My honest reason, isnt?)

[Davillo]

Of course I would not let her rot bi-chicks are the best in the sack.

[Spitfire_mcguire]

Every time I see that people sacrificed her "because Ashley was a space racist or xenophobe" it pisses me off to no end!!!! IDIOTS AND BIGOTS!!!! DAMMIT BIOWARE!!

Ashley Williams is my favorite character and canon-LI, so I always save her. Though, by looking it from a drama and story, my career military Shep broke two fundamental rules: 1. Don't fall in love with a person under your command 2. And don't make a tactical decision based on those feeling for said love. Every time Shepard has to make that decision on Virmire, his training is yelling at him "save Alenko and the bomb" but his heart is telling him "save Ash, you love her." He sacrificed Kaidan because he wanted to get his dream girl. Sorry Kaidan, you are my Shep's BF in ME1. Shepard, graduate of the N7 program, will have to live with that for the rest of his life. ...dramatic stuff.

[PsiFive]

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

Sorry Kaidan, you are my Shep's BF in ME1. Shepard, graduate of the N7 program, will have to live with that for the rest of his life. ...dramatic stuff.

BF = bomb fodder?

[0x30A88]

Ashley was left behind. It just seemed right. My Shepard always romance Liara (find her to be a more interesting character), so romance was not influencing the decision.

[RIGELVINTO]

the first time i saved ashley, because she was a woman and my shepard could romance her

[Spitfire_mcguire]

PsiFive wrote...

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

Sorry Kaidan, you are my Shep's BF in ME1. Shepard, graduate of the N7 program, will have to live with that for the rest of his life. ...dramatic stuff.

BF = bomb fodder?

hahahahaha

Nice one:D



I have tried so hard to save Kaidan on Virmire last ME1 playthrough, just to see what he is like in ME3, but can't do it... can't sacrifice Ash.

[mistress3riple]

my first play i killed Ash cause i needed Kaiden for the achievement. after playing me2 and me3 he got on my nerves. he just complains and i can't really see him as military guy.
then i checked who gave him the voice and i saw the actor which i could never stand so then i really couldn't stand him anymore.
cause of that on my next play i killed him and playing me2 and me3 with Ash is so much better. so from now on i think i will always kill Kaiden

Modifié par mistress3riple, 19 avril 2012 - 10:27 .

[mistress3riple]

PsiFive wrote...
Not seen Hero. If you rate it above Flying Daggers it's going on my Amazon wish list, even if the people who are likely to buy it for me don't get my love for Asian stories with tragic endings. Tangent: note to the people who wrote ME3 - if you're doing a rewrite and want a sad ending go read some Chinese literature first. Outlaws of the Mass Effect Marsh in Space would have been ****ing awesome, and they'd still almost all end up dead.

off topic but since i saw both movies i can say that Hero is better. i still love Flying Daggers but Hero's story is better. Cinematography is also better.
there is also Crouching tiger, hidden Dragen but in all this 3 Hero is still the best

[BluSoldier]

                I always send Ashley with the Salarian team to add more muscle to that group.  That means that Kaiden (who is better with tech anyway), is at the bomb.  As a tactical decision, I leave him on the ground with the bomb.  If I were to pick him up, a geth could defuse it, but that would be impossible if he is there until it goes off.  Rescuaing Ashley and the salarians makes more sense, not only for galactic politics (get on the Salarian's good side), but also becuase SOMEONE needs to stay with the bomb to ENSURE that it goes off.

RIP Kaiden.  You died a heroe's death.
While I  Ashley, it is NOT the main reason I saved her.

[Cephalopods]

The Reapers are coming. War is coming. Billions will die. Once it's over, we'll need to repopulate. The Krogan understand this. Save the females, they are always more valuable. I don't like Ashley, I'm not attracted to the character, and have never romanced her. But, I always saved Ashley, simply because she had ovaries.

[JohnRLynch]

I saved Kaiden because it made sense for the tech character to be the one to arm the nuke. I then saved him because I was concerned he was going to get killed before arming the nuke.

This wasn't pre-meditated, but actually just what I thought would be the sensible things to do.

I can understand very easy the hate for religious people, they
are realy close minded and the public of Scify are generaly skeptic
about religion.

I helped the Hannar because the religious
intolerance of the people on the Citadel really annoyed me. However
Ashley was getting annoying towards the end. She was horribly racist.
Now my Shepard started out as quite a big racist (he gave a big speech
on how we have to go it alone, although I think at the end I added "oh
and, the alience might help"). However as I got to know the aliens my
racism became curtailed. That said 9 times out of 10 I took both Ashley
and Kaiden because these were "human problems" so I wanted "humans" to
help me fix them.

But Ashley had no character development. She
was a racist to begin with and a racist at the end. Furthermore she had a
big chip on her shoulder as far as her religion. It got REALLY annoying
and I started considering swapping her out of my team.

That said, I didn't consciously kill her for any of these reasons.

Sanuman wrote...

And I felt vindicated when Saren made his hilarious hoverboard assault.

Obviously you can see I'm trying to properly RP this (HURR DURR it's not real he attacks at whicever one you save hurr durr)

I also felt vindicated that I'd made the right choice. I don't care for the OOC reasons, I'm playing this game once all the way through (I might replay it some point in the future depending how good the story-arc is) and in my game Saren was always going to attack the nuke (it makes the most tactical sense) and so I stopped him.

Reikilea wrote...

Kaidan is experienced officer, has
perfect record and many commendations, he never lost a man serving under
him, he is third in command on Normandy after Shepard and
Pressly.

HA! I considered him to be the less experienced of me
and Ashley (Ashley and I both being soldiers, were more powerful then
Kaiden who had to fill two critical roles). I didn't realise he was
third in the chain of command. I wonder how that knowledge would have
changed my mind.

Reikilea wrote...

And those who says he/she is boring. No,
both of them is realistic portrayal of a Alliance soldiers. This is how
it may really look like in Alliance. I had enought of sexi assasins,
genetically engineered cheerleaeders, or psycho biotics. Normal humans
for once.

Agreed. But it doesn't mean I can't hate her for it It's realistic for her to act this way, it's also realistic for it to offend me.

[tractrpl]

Ash has b00bs. /end thread

[Spitfire_mcguire]

JohnRLynch wrote...

I helped the Hannar because the religious
intolerance of the people on the Citadel really annoyed me. However
Ashley was getting annoying towards the end. She was horribly racist.
Now my Shepard started out as quite a big racist (he gave a big speech
on how we have to go it alone, although I think at the end I added "oh
and, the alience might help"). However as I got to know the aliens my
racism became curtailed. That said 9 times out of 10 I took both Ashley
and Kaiden because these were "human problems" so I wanted "humans" to
help me fix them.

But Ashley had no character development. She
was a racist to begin with and a racist at the end. Furthermore she had a
big chip on her shoulder as far as her religion. It got REALLY annoying
and I started considering swapping her out of my team.

That said, I didn't consciously kill her for any of these reasons.

ummm....excuse me. I have no idea what you are talking about.

"No character development." "Was a racist to begin with and a racist to end."....WTF?

Okay, for the last time, SHE IS NOT A  RACIST. Go look up several definitions of racism, and it doesn't fit her character or her opinions. I can go into greater detail but I hate explaining the same thing over and over again and hearing the same illogical counter arguments and plp not listening to reason.

Second, her character does develops throughout ME1, especially with a Paragrade Shep who can influence her views on the council and aliens. By the end, she is no longer a "racist"....that is called character development. By ME3, she has matured and is putting her own life in danger to save the Council. If Ash was a racist, why would she consider Tali like a sister, as she said in ME3? You see big character developments with Ash in ME1, and aswell in ME3.

And, there is only two mentions of faith/GOD. The actual conversation when she talks about her faith, and really her "big chip on her shoulder" is understandable when she says "many are weirded out by [her] faith" (obvious reaction for someone who can be looked down upon for one single belief),  and when you offer her another outlook on the galaxy, where she begins to lose her racist attitudes. How can that be annoying? She isn't some evangelist or bible thumper who goes around trying to convert Shepard. She states her beliefs, Shepard responds, and that is that. Again, how can that be annoying?

Even if you didn't kill her for those reasons, the thing you wrote are simply wrong.

[JohnRLynch]

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

Okay, for the last time, SHE IS NOT A  RACIST. Go look up several definitions of racism, and it doesn't fit her character or her opinions.

Are we quibbling over xenophobic/racism because xenophobes aren't actually a real thing. If we are, that's fine. But perhaps not get quite so worked up over a non-existant thing. If you aren't splitting hairs there, then I honestly do not know what you're talking about. I'm new to the game, I've only just completed it for the first time. So if you could link to a time when you've gone over this before, I will become enlightened.

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

Second, her character does develops throughout ME1, especially with a Paragrade Shep who can influence her views on the council and aliens. By the end, she is no longer a "racist"....that is called character development.

It's great that happened in your playthrough for Mass Effect 1. It didn't for me. This is the beauty of the game. People's perceptions will be informed on what they experience in the game which is based on their actions.

In the game I played, Ashley never seemed to come around to thinking the aliens were alright people. She continued to spout the same stuff at the end that she had at the beginning. Therefore my assertion is correct for the version of the game that I played.

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

By ME3, she has matured and is putting her own life in danger to save the Council.

Not in my ME3. In my ME3 she will be as dead as a doornail.

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

And, there is only two mentions of faith/GOD. The actual conversation when she talks about her faith, and really her "big chip on her shoulder" is understandable when she says "many are weirded out by [her] faith" (obvious reaction for someone who can be looked down upon for one single belief), and when you offer her another outlook on the galaxy, where she begins to lose her racist attitudes.

See she didn't in my game. Because my Shepard said "Naah, I believe in god too..." cause he was trying to get into her pants. Had he been honest he could have helped Ashley become a moer open person, but he didn't so she didn't.

That's the thing I love most about this game. I talk about a character and say "This is what she was like" and someone else will have a completely different perspective because they made different choices. This is the first truly roleplaying game I've played where you can adopt (within certain constraints) different roles and thus get difference consequences for your actions.

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

How can that be annoying? She isn't some evangelist or bible thumper who goes around trying to convert Shepard. She states her beliefs, Shepard responds, and that is that. Again, how can that be annoying?

In my game she may have said something else about how she's always discriminated against for being religious and then the conversation moves on to something else. So the only time she mentioned it, she came across as having a chip on her shoulder.

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

Even if you didn't kill her for those reasons, the thing you wrote are simply wrong.

I respectfully disagree based on the points I mentioned above.

[JohnRLynch]

Doublepost.

Modifié par JohnRLynch, 23 avril 2012 - 07:40 .