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[Notevines]

I have always saved Kaidan. Never liked Ashley for some reason.. although I am now doing a play through that I will save her for once just so I can see the cut scenes in ME3. Thats the only reason, the next time I will save Kaidan again

[Deemz]

I picked Kaiden to die because he had Carth's voice. Damn, Carth was so annoying in KoTOR.

[Pelleoan]

I just toss a coin, heads for alenko tails for williams.

[Rabbit4400]

my first playthrough I romanced liara and saved kaidan(he went with the bomb= top priority)
my second playthrough I romaced ash and saved ash(she went with the salarians= LI)

it does'nt matter which one you choose cuz you can save kirrahe no matter what.

I like kaidan more than ash, but I chose ash to save and as a LI to see if I could change her in ME2 and ME3 (was my "main" save through the whole series)

so even though I like kaidan more than ash and liara as a LI more than ash she was the on I saved cuz I though I could change her. I was dissapointed after ME3 so my new ME series playthrough I just said **** you to her and her believes and blowed her up.

I despise ash as a character for her closed mindset.

[Arisugawa]

The first time I played, Kaidan went with the bomb. Since he made the "I'm making sure this bomb goes off, no matter what" decision after I had already left to save Ash, he was left behind. He made his decision, for better or for worse. As a new player to the game, I both understood his reasons and was resentful of the situation I was suddenly faced with that he was, in some way, now responsible for.

Since that time, he typically still dies, but my motivations wax and wane between annoyance that he assumed my Shepard was flirting with him even after I told him he was being inappropriate while Ash, Kaidan and Shepard were standing together on the balcony in the Wards, and the unfortunate truth that even with all of her human-centric views, I still find Ash a much more interesting character than him.

[BJshepard]

If I were to save Ashley it would be if I wanted to do a love story arc with her other wise she is not as fun to be around till Mass effect 3. Kaidan is pretty cool the entire time and he while he may not be a soldier class type person, he can still wield weapons, and dish out various tech and biotic attacks so he is in a sense an average of everything one can get in offense.

[glisten]

Ashley, She is easier on the eyes. I wanted her for a femshep romance. Alas, no joy there. Yes out of character. And that alone is reason enough not to allow it. But that might have made an interesting character transition. Top marks to EA for having romance at all. Same sex romance was probably a corporate bridge too far.

[Lavaeolus]

@above: You know, there is same sex romance, with Liara. "Monogendered" my arse.

And the first game in Microsoft, has nothing to do with EA. After EA comes in, Kelly and Samantha Traynor come up... No real non-alien female companion romance, though.

Modifié par Mr Maniac, 17 mai 2013 - 05:46 .

[Jukaga]

I used to save Ash more often than not, but since Kaidan really shines in ME3 compared to Ashley I tend to save him more often now. I'm just completing a kaidanmancer playthru for the first time on ME1, looking forward to the payoff in 3.

[Cosmar]

I saved Kaidan because:

1) Story reasons. During the Virmire decision, Ashley was more convincing when she told me to save Kaidan instead. Her tone of voice said, "I'm going to die in a heroic blaze of glory!" while his tone of voice said, "I guess it's ok if you leave me, but I'd really rather live." I had a feeling she wanted the heroic death that came with fighting alongside the salarians. She knew by sacrificing herself she would clear her family name. And Alenko was a more experienced officer and technically was more valuable to the Alliance than Ashley.

2) Tactical reasons. Alenko has more useful abilities. Only when I played an Adept did I keep Ashley around because then I needed her combat skills. But as a soldier, infiltrator and vanguard (my other characters), she was just kind of redundant and didn't offer that much. Kaidan was a great support character with his biotics, tech and medic abilities.

3) I hated what they did to Ashley in ME3, making her a sexed up bimbo who had even LESS lines than Kaidan did. ME3 Kaidan actually had more to say than ME3 Ashley. Even if a lot of it was kind of whiny, I like my RPG characters to actually, you know, say stuff sometimes.

Modifié par Cosmar, 20 mai 2013 - 06:44 .

[Biokon]

I just dont like Ashley she is a racist maybe is kaidan just neutral in my eyes but he got a story and is with you for a long time. Ashley you just pick up at a attacked colony and then you realise she is ****ing useless in me1 and me3. And I dont give a **** on horizon I thought yes Ashley may have a good hey Shepard you're alive now kiss me. Instead of that she questions your everything and in me3 she keeps doing it in side missions againts Cerberus. And kaidan is quicker with sand over it and look to the future. Probably because he's a man

[blaabaer]

I'm rather new to the ME series (and to this forum), and so far I've only completed ME1 and ME2 once.

But I'll get to the topic: This is an interesting thread! I enjoy reading other people's reasons for the choice they made on Virmire. On my first (and, so far, only) playthrough, I saved Kaidan.

I like both Ashley and Kaidan a lot, so eventually I decided that I had to make my choice based on tactics, as I wouldn't have been able to choose otherwise. I played as an Infiltrator, and by this point of the game, my Infiltrator Shepard was becoming rather strong combat-wise. Consequently, I decided that I needed Kaidan's biotic and tech skills more than I needed Ashley's combat skills -- and that if I needed more "raw power" in combat from then on, I would get that from Wrex. Interestingly, I've noticed that several people who played as an Infiltrator chose to save Ashley for tactical reasons

PS: English is not my first language, so please forgive my linguistic mistakes

[Logistics00]

dawsdgd wrote...

Your honest reason for saving either ashley or Kaiden?

Just ran through a ME1 run for the heck of it, and ran into this thread on a whim.

I have to agree with a few others on here that it comes down to saving the STG team versus just saving the 1 crewmember with the bomb. Aside from the moral issue of saving the most people in the situation, it's also good politics with the Salarian Union, and on a more immediate note, it gives you more evidence to use convincing the Council regarding the Reaper threat. They can directly report on the effects of indoctrination if nothing else. There are just far more benefits to the mission to saving them then 1 lone crewmember.The real question is who to send with the STG teams and who goes with the bomb. A case can be made either way:

1. Ash is arguably the stronger combatant, and the STG team needs as much combat capabiilty as they can get their hands on, given the odds.
2. Kaiden has far less reservations working with non-humans, and probably has a better grasp of the finer details of small unit tactics, being a Lieutenant. Given that their role is basically to distract the enemy, not wipe them out, flashy biotics could be argued to be more suitable to that task then just one more grunt with a gun.

As far as who to send with the bomb, it's often stated that Kaiden is the obvious choice - which is actually used by Ash in-game. That said, this isn't a very complicated nuke, but a jury-rigged engine core, which probably doesn't even have an 'off' switch, given Captain Kirrahe's commentary on it. He offers no real opinion on who is more suitable, so it's pretty evident that the bomb is idiot-proof. So, the real choice again comes down to who is best to send with the STG, with the leftover getting bomb detail.

My own choice usually boils down to Kaiden going with the STG, if I'm honestly trying to roleplay. He's less likely to have friction working with them, and that's the last thing you need on a potential suicide run. The biotics come into play as well - having a biotic with the STG makes them appear to be a larger threat. Ash probably would *be* a larger threat, but the point is to fool the enemy, not outkill them in this scenario. Ash dies, has her poetic death against the same geth she was doomed fighting in the 1st mission, and redeems her family honor in the process, so it even works out better storywise.

[Secretlyapotato]

I just tend to pick Kaiden for femshep and Ashley for manshep regardless of romance. On my recent playthrough I had a femshep who rescued Ashley because I wanted to do a playthrough with her in ME3 but I didn't want to import a manshep.

I perfer Kaiden.

[DH_Jin]

It's tough, my main (Male Earthborn Warhero Vanguard), sees Kaiden as a brother. Ashley was always the tragic LI that died.

and in my alt, (Female Spacer Ruthless Engineer), Kaiden dies. even though he was a LI Ashley was saved. to be honest a decision Shepard regrets and resents Ashley over, their friendship never truly manifests. Thane is next LI followed by everyone's favourite turian.

and in a parallel universe, (Male Colonist Survivor Sentinel), Ashley dies but was never a LI, Kaiden and Shepard is not nearly as close with Kaiden as he is with Garrus. Kaiden plays a much smaller role, forever living in Shepard's shadow, seeing how they're both sentinels/spectres. Garrus and Liara are almost always on point, though Kaiden always would lead the HammerHead team along with Jaavik and Tali.

[VolnuttN7]

It was really just who was with the Salarian group. And I think Ashley was with the group the first time I did the mission. Redoing the mission, I saved Kaidan. I just prefer what he's doing in ME3. The whole biotic group thing. In terms of their characters, I like them equally.

[StormWerewolf]

it's a really hard choice, ashley reminds me alot of michelle rodriguez especially as rain in the first resident evil film, her faith and xenophobia compliment her aggressive character type well, kaidan is cool, collected and open minded, he compliments a renegade shepard really well acting as a "voice of reason" type, i find both deep characters with great story arcs

[themikefest]

I mostly pick Ashley because she is a solier like I was when I was in the military I also believe she is tougher in combat than Kaidan.

I have saved Kaidan once just to hear how different his dialogue is in ME2 and ME3.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I saved Ashley because my Shepard needed a vagina and some form of emotional and sexual release. That's it. He regrets it later.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 24 novembre 2013 - 11:32 .

[NekkidNones]

Had my squad auto assign their talent points, and Kaiden made the grievous error in going all out with first aid, and medicine attributes. By the time I noticed, Kaiden was beyond saving and needed to be sacrificed. With so much invested in medicine, he was left a weak biotic who could neither deal, or take damage.

Besides, it was a pain trying to get so many sets of good 'human - light armour'.  I wasn't going to short sell Liara's gear, and certainly not mine for Kaiden's sake.  In a way, he was also an economic liability, as far as armour is concerned. Ashley's is often the only squad member that can use heavy human armour, thus making her easy to have around. Kaiden seemed too high maintenance for an unimpressive skill set.

Therefore in the words of David Spade "Buh-Bye" Kaiden.

Modifié par MoonSpot, 04 décembre 2013 - 11:43 .

[FatGecko]

Ashley was in my opinion more boring than Kaidan. I hated hers racist comments, and it was the only thing I could remember about her. But she was a woman, and I was a man... So kaidan died for the sake of sex.

Modifié par FatGecko, 05 décembre 2013 - 04:29 .

[insan3Spectre]

I actually enjoy both characters. Kaidan for his weariness and backstory, plus his love story with femshep throughout the trilogy was well done. Of course, I didn't know that back in 2007 so I just saved him because he was to be Shep's love interest.

Ashley, her specieism makes for a strong character arc IF she overcome it throughout the series. I always left her on Virmire because it was a great way to close out her character arc or at least that is how I justified my actions. Anyway, now I am going to have Liara as Shep's LI so I will get to see what she turns out be in the next games.

[The Diesel117]

I picked Kaiden at first because he shares the same voice as Carth Onasi. no real deeper reason. i placed him with the bomb cause of his technical skills and ash with the salarians due to her fighting skills. bomb took priority for me.

Modifié par The Diesel117, 16 décembre 2013 - 08:48 .

[The Diesel117]

StormWerewolf wrote...

it's a really hard choice, ashley reminds me alot of michelle rodriguez especially as rain in the first resident evil film, her faith and xenophobia compliment her aggressive character type well, kaidan is cool, collected and open minded, he compliments a renegade shepard really well acting as a "voice of reason" type, i find both deep characters with great story arcs

ditto.