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[ErikModi]

I save Ash.  Because I want her to have my Shepard's super-awesome, galaxy-saving, Reaper-ass-kicking, Spectre babies.

 

Now, I've only started playing the original Mass Effect recently, so my choice before was purely based on the motion comic with ME2.  And it was purely because I like girls.  Even though I choose to romance Liara initially, but after getting to know Ash in ME3, I went back and wanted to try romancing her.  And I like her.  Just had the first conversation where she talks about aliens on the Normandy.  And she DOES actually raise good point.  I don't see her point of view as being "racist" (more accurately "speciest") at all.  From her point of view, these are barely-authorized people from potentially non-friendly governments getting an up-close-and-personal look at classified human technology (though the original game does seem to waffle quite a bit about exactly how much of the Normandy is strictly human. . . Ash's conversations seem to indicate its purely human, while your conversation with the inspecting Admiral makes it sound like it's a turian ship with an Alliance sticker on the hull.)  She does have fairly legitimate security concerns, but once told to drop the matter, she drops it (at least so far.)  And it's pretty clear that she isn't human-centrist, either.  She's plenty peeved about Shepard working with Cerberus when you meet her in ME2, and continues to be upset by it for the whole first act of ME3.  I respond to the depth of history her character has, her connection with her family and its traditions, her pride in her work and her military training.  I totally gelled with her as a character when she and Shepard find out they went to the same boot camp under the same pretentious drill instructor.  She's an interesting character.

 

Kaiden. . . Kaiden just seems to be there.  What conversations I've had with him are short and less than illuminating, it seems like he's literally just standing around waiting for orders.  I don't hate him, I just don't anything him.  Maybe he gets more interesting as the game progresses, but still, for this romance playthrough at least, Ashley lives.

 

You know, I do feel sorry for the voice actors for both Ashley and Kaiden, though.  All the lines they recorded for Mass Effect 3, which go unheard by roughly half the people playing the game, because those players saved the other one in the first game.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

my very first play through was with femshep and i ended up flirting with kaiden. when i realized this, i didn't want a relationship with him so i broke it off. by 'breaking it off with him' i mean i left him on virmire to die. i did the same thing with ashley with my renegade shepard. i think all my shepards have commitment issues.

[Kosmos Agamemnon]

I generally save Kaiden, I used to go with Ash, but on a third playthrough I got tired of her xenophobic comments and her consistent undermining of Shepards decisions relating to trust of Aliens. Just my 2c!

[mopotter]

I think the salarians always show up on the ship regardless of who goes where. The only difference I ever noticed was one time when Kirrahe died because I didn't sabotage enough of the geth's defenses on my way into the base. Maybe it also makes a difference if you set off the alarm on the other side of the base and leave it activated for the entire mission? I've never actually done that.

 

I think the salarians always show up on the ship regardless of who goes where. The only difference I ever noticed was one time when Kirrahe died because I didn't sabotage enough of the geth's defenses on my way into the base. Maybe it also makes a difference if you set off the alarm on the other side of the base and leave it activated for the entire mission? I've never actually done that.

Yes they do.  Sort of irritated me because if some or all of them survived I should have been able to save both Ash and Kaidan.  So in my head, whoever goes with the Salarians is killed making sure they survive.  

[Star fury]

Romancing Ash is reason enough and Carth 2.0 is dreadfully dull with a voicover of robot.

[meganbytes]

on my main character i save ashley

 

but on non-main i save kaidan. 

 

hmm idk. i think originally it might of been because i thought i could possibly romance ashely on femshep. 

 

but like i like ashley and kaidan both equally. 

[dtrain24]

Kaiden may be dull, but he's less annoying than Ashley. I've killed them both, but yeah...

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ashley - romance

Kainde- i like him, but I'm straight

[MrStoob]

Ashley.  Originally, coz she's a girl, but really, Kaiden has little interest for me personally.

 

On Ashley's character: philosophising does not make one racist.

[hangmans tree]

I liked flirting with Ash... Keidan, not so much lol. So, the only option was Ash - why save a npc you have no intrest in (plot and character wise)?

[kalasaurus]

first time I played, I was trying to talk Wrex down... when all of a sudden; BANG!!!! Ashley shoots Wrex. 

My only reasonable thought when the time came..."LET HER BURN"

 

Heh, that happened to me too on my first playthrough.  I didn't have enough charm/intimidate points or know about his family armor quest.  Suffice it to say, my own reaction was the same as the dialogue choice I picked: "What the hell!?"  I don't blame her, but it did come as shock when it happened.

[ErikModi]

On Ashley's character: philosophising does not make one racist.

 

That is true.  However, she does have some dialogue that boarders on being speciest.  Initially, as I pointed out in my post, I feel she raised a good point, though it was phrased a little unfortunately at first.  As you press her on the point, she becomes more clear.  She's not concerned about the fact that they're aliens (not as much as Pressley is), but by the fact that they are being given free reign to wander around inside a top-secret human military project.  It IS a valid security concern, but as Shepard can choose to point out, this kind of co-operation is required if humans want to take their place in galactic society.

 

Now, when you rescue Liara, and Ashley talks to you about that, she says something about "makes sense, since we're ordered to play nice with the bug-eyed monsters."  Her tone is humorous, but since none of the aliens on your ship actually have insect-like eyes, it does come across as a bit of a slur.  I certainly wouldn't consider her a hardcore speciest, but she does have some ideas that need to be changed.  I, and my Shepard, just look at it from the perspective that she doesn't have much exposure to nonhumans, and, like many humans, still carries a bit of resentment over the First Contact War, especially since she likely lost family in it.  Getting to know the nonhumans on the Normandy should help cool that tendency.  Especially since, as I also point out in my earlier post, when you bump into her in ME2, she's dismayed that you're working for Cerberus, and continues to be upset by it for the entire first act of ME3.  At some point, she clearly decided that whatever issues she may or may not have with nonhumans, Cerberus and human-centric ethos is worse.

[Han Shot First]

My first and personal canon playthrough, I went with in-character reasons. I thought about what Shepard would do in that situation and rolled with it.

 

Kaidan had been assigned to baby sit the bomb because he had more of tech-related background than Ashley. When faced with the choice of who to save, I had Shepard go to the AA Tower (and Ashley) because in theory it should have maximized the amount of people you could save. Since Ashley was with Kirrahe and the surviving Salarians, going to the AA Tower made more sense than doubling back to the bomb site. Also, I figured Kaidan should be able to trigger the bomb if he were in danger of being overrun.

[Dance Craze]

Ashley for sensuality 

[Drengin]

Mainly i tend to save Kaiden as Ash's voice and her constant "Cerberus, Cerberus, Cerberus" BS drives me insane.

Plus playing as Femshep most of the time i can then romance Kaiden if i want to.

Of course you ca romance Ashley as Femshep too but only done that once for fun.

[We'll bang okay]

I flipped a coin. 

[wright1978]

First time round I saved ash because that Shep was in a relationship with her.
Other games, I have a habit of putting Kaidan with the Salarians and saving him and them now.

[Chardonney]

In each and every playthrough I save Kaidan and kill Ashley. Why? Because Kaidan is one of my favorite characters and good addition to the team. Why kill Ashley? Because I can't stand her, at all, never could. She is so incredibly annoying and I don't hesitate for a minute to leave her go boom with the bomb.

[geth47]

Personally, I´m not found of any of 2 the characters. The aliens, however, easily became favorites NPCs for me. Joker and Anderson are 2 humans I like. Same goes for the good old doc. But since Kaidan and Ash were expendable and probably would have diminished roles in the rest of the series, I don´t think any of them received proper treatment nor were interesting enough for me to agonize over the decision. I could let both of them perish without a second thought. It was very rewarding to be able to finish the job on ME3. Being able to kill Udina on the very same scene was the best bonus I could ask for! 

 

That being said, I prefer to let Kaidan die. Why? Because he´s even more annoying than Ash. The voice actor is great, and does good work, but the character is weak. 

 

Not to mention that my character is usually in love with ASH in ME1. If I´m using a femshep, then it´s with Liara. I´m yet to replay the trilogy having a romance with Liara from ME1 till 3 and without cheating. I know it´s the most rewarding romance, specially if one plays the shadow broker DLC, but somehow my paragon Sheppard would feel wrong to start a romance with an alien who´s very much confused. I mean, it does sound like taking advantage of Liara´s situation. She´s scared after therun, then she learns the fate of the protheans, learns about her mother being with saren and her death. Not to mention that she looks immature for an asari in ME1. 

[ApplesauceBandit]

Kaiden is so boring as a character, I'm restarting all my playthroughs and making some new ones, i might just let him die in every one. Honestly the fact that Ashley was Xenophobic irritated me, but not that she was religious, i may be an atheist but a game is a game, it's not like shes gonna show up at my doorstep tomorrow and try and convert me.

[CrimsonN7]

Both are pretty annoying characters tbh, originally it seemed like a difficult decision but now if I could leave em both on Virmire I'd be much happier. But to answer the question I chose Ashley as she was slightly more tolerable, slightly.

[ClydeInTheShell]

My MaleSheps all left Kaidan, my FemSheps all left Ashley. 

 

Gotta keep my options open.

[Ryzaki]

Heh, that happened to me too on my first playthrough.  I didn't have enough charm/intimidate points or know about his family armor quest.  Suffice it to say, my own reaction was the same as the dialogue choice I picked: "What the hell!?"  I don't blame her, but it did come as shock when it happened.

 

I had that happen on purpose and was still surprised and pissed off. The one game I left her behind without even a smidge of regret.

[Terca]

I play femshep and I am unwilling to risk accidentally romancing Kaiden, thusly the man must die in case I do something stupid.

[CrimsonN7]

I play femshep and I am unwilling to risk accidentally romancing Kaiden, thusly the man must die in case I do something stupid.

Lol

 

Unwanted flirting, as good a reason as any! Now if only I could have done the same thing with that meathead Vega, missed opportunity Bioware!