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[HakkyounoTenshi]

I usually save Kaiden. I honestly like him better than Ashley.

Plus as the military goes, Kaiden is a more valuable resource. He is your second in command as the marines go, he is a functional L2 Biotic with minimal side-effects (an extremely rare thing), and you can add his tech abilities that come with being a Sentinel. Ashley is a great soldier, but the cost and resources that went into Kaiden's training and equipment are easily ten times that of Ashley's.
Kaiden is a higher priority as subordinates go.

Granted, this viewpoint comes with the idea that the bomb is a higher priority so you end up saving the person at the bomb, but that's usually Kaiden anyway, at least for me.

Modifié par HakkyounoTenshi, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:08 .

[Lord_Caledore]

The first time I played ME1, it was a really difficult choice that I agonized over. I had sent Ashley with the Salarian; I saved her, in part, because liked Captain Kirrahe and in part because I was romancing Ashley (both not the most 'professional' reasons). Since my first play through, though, I always knew in advance who I planned to leave behind, so that took the bite out of the emotional impact.



Too bad I couldn't pick any squad-mate, as I'd leave Liara behind every time.

[Merlin 47]

Lord_Caledore wrote...
Too bad I couldn't pick any squad-mate, as I'd leave Liara behind every time.

Don't let the Liara thread hear that.....yikes!

[krimesh]

I am not getting the "secure the bomb" argument. With a nuke you can't just cut the red cable. Once it has been activated it will blow. It's even not always possible to stop a nuclear reaction in a power station if it gets out of hand, so how should the Geth do it with a bomb? Besides, you yourself have to clear the area too, so the bomb WILL be left alone if you rescue the person at the bomb. From this point of view it is safer to leave the person with the bomb to protect it until it actually blows.

Modifié par krimesh, 17 septembre 2010 - 06:16 .

[HakkyounoTenshi]

When you go back to the bomb site, the idea is you eliminate threats there and stay with it until the last possible second.



The thing about the geth is you just don't know what they're capable of. They might have a way of disabling the nuke if the have enough time. The point is not to give them that time.

[krimesh]

HakkyounoTenshi wrote...

When you go back to the bomb site, the idea is you eliminate threats there and stay with it until the last possible second.

The thing about the geth is you just don't know what they're capable of. They might have a way of disabling the nuke if the have enough time. The point is not to give them that time.

Yes, I have considered this. In the end it comes down to what you think the Geth are capable of. If they can indeed disable the bomb you should stay with it as long as possible. But if you overestimate them, then the Salarians die for nothing. As we have no knowledge of how exactly the bomb works, we can only guess.

[Kaiser Shepard]

HakkyounoTenshi wrote...

I usually save Kaiden. I honestly like him better than Ashley.

Plus as the military goes, Kaiden is a more valuable resource. He is your second in command as the marines go, he is a functional L2 Biotic with minimal side-effects (an extremely rare thing), and you can add his tech abilities that come with being a Sentinel. Ashley is a great soldier, but the cost and resources that went into Kaiden's training and equipment are easily ten times that of Ashley's.
Kaiden is a higher priority as subordinates go.

Granted, this viewpoint comes with the idea that the bomb is a higher priority so you end up saving the person at the bomb, but that's usually Kaiden anyway, at least for me.

[Dean_the_Young]

krimesh wrote...

I am not getting the "secure the bomb" argument. With a nuke you can't just cut the red cable. Once it has been activated it will blow. It's even not always possible to stop a nuclear reaction in a power station if it gets out of hand, so how should the Geth do it with a bomb? Besides, you yourself have to clear the area too, so the bomb WILL be left alone if you rescue the person at the bomb. From this point of view it is safer to leave the person with the bomb to protect it until it actually blows.

For the geth it isn't a case of only being able to cut a red cable either. They are AI, and as a matter of course would have advanced technical understanding on how to make things not work. Kaiden or Ashley can claim to be rigging it to go off no matter what, but that's betting their technical competance versus the Geth's, and in matters of tech I lean with the machine races.

Reactions underway in a powerstation is different from preventing the trigger to unleash the bomb. One is a process already underway, the other hasn't stopped.

I'm afraid I don't see where your safer comes in. Safer for Shepard if he's away from the bomb? Dead either way if the bomb does go off. Mission failed either place if it doesn't. The point of returning to the bomb field and (re)clearing it of Geth is to prevent them from being able to overrun the defenders and try to disarm the bomb. That they don't succede if you don't head back isn't necessarily something you can rely on beforehand from a roleplaying perspective.

[krimesh]

^^
If the Geth can disable the bomb, then it will be possible by either hacking it, frying it's circuits, or by stopping the nuclear chain reaction.

If either one of the first two is possible with that particular bomb, then the Geth will be able to do it very fast - it is a makeshift device after all. This is where my "safer" comes in: the only way to prevent this is by leaving people to protect the bomb right until the moment it blows up.

If hacking and frying circuits does not work, the only process that remains to time the bomb is the nuclear chain-reaction itself. (Which might be going on for a while before becoming critical.) To stop such a reaction you'd need something to drain the rogue particles out of the system which keep smashing nuclei. To do this you will need specialized equipment, and I don't think that Geth platforms carry things like that around with them at all times.

Modifié par krimesh, 17 septembre 2010 - 08:05 .

[MarkieeAi]

I Saved Kadian.



Why? I thought defending the nuke would be more of a priority.



I play a Male Shep and I romanced Liara so, it's not for any romance reasons I save either. I also didn't like Ashley that much, to much of the "smartypants" comments hehe, Either way Did it cause I thought making sure that nuke goes off is priority than saving 1 life, it was a hard choice I had to think thru it, spent 15 mins thinking so it wasn't easy I can tell you that.



Romance reasons? No not at all, if it was between saving Liara or Ashley/Kadian I would have saved Liara



Mission prioritys I'd say, thats why I made the choice

[maxernst]

hamtyl07 wrote...

My reason is the same I give for Jacob kadian is a real douche in my opinion. I have never and will never use ash as an LI liara is my only choice for that


besides that ash may be a real b*tch but i do find a little racism funny sometimes....... but thats just me i do have weird sense of humor

Or maybe because you're racist yourself and only like blue women.

[HakkyounoTenshi]

Krimesh does make a good point, but to me the idea is you have to destroy the facility. You can't let Saren keep it, so the bomb is the priority, and the possibility of the geth being able to disarm it is a risk my Shepard wasn't willing to take.


I like how the has thread become "Is the bomb really the top priority?"

Modifié par HakkyounoTenshi, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:40 .

[DOYOURLABS]

I saved Kaiden because he is more useful because of biotics. Ashley is just a common soldier. And lore wise I did it because my shep is also a biotic.

[krimesh]

HakkyounoTenshi wrote...

Krimesh does make a good point, but to me the idea is you have to destroy the facility. You can't let Saren keep it, so the bomb is the priority, and the possibility of the geth being able to disarm it is a risk my Shepard wasn't willing to take.


I like how the thread become "Is the bomb really the top priority?"

I agree that the bomb is top priority. Although I had seen the trailer, and had already come to terms with loosing the person with the bomb, I still did decide to secure the bomb on my first playthrough.
It's just that at the moment I do not see much gain from securing the bomb. I am not even sure that the time the bomb is exposed to the Geth is reduced. It seems that the problem is simply having your people pinned at two different locations and not having enough time for two extractions. Whoever is left behind might even hold out longer than the one who is extracted. Clearing the area around the bomb before leaving does not do any good either, because the Geth are bound to have a bomb-disarming unit hiding somewhere close by, only waiting for us to clear the area.

[Duckadillo]

I saved Kaiden because Ashley is racist.

Modifié par Duckadillo, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:28 .

[Jmojocat]

I saved Ash. Once you recruit Liara and Garrus or Tali the really isn't a point to Kaiden if you play as Male Shep. Liara is a better Biotic and either Tali or Garrus is a better tech.



You can make the excuse that if you have Wrex whats the point of Ash.

[Numa-Fai]

NCLanceman wrote...


Kaiden: It's okay. I care about your feelings.
Shepard: I liked you much better when I was a guy.
Kaiden: It's not going to break regulations or anything if I actually admit I have feelings or anything, is it?
Shepard: I hope you realize I'm going to leave you for Garrus at the first available opportunity.
.

Exactly my feelings. Really touchy

[Funkcase]

Duckadillo wrote...

I saved Kaiden because Ashley is racist.

Hmm, and I wonderd how quick I would find a ****** like you when I clicked on this thread.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Funkcase wrote...

Duckadillo wrote...

I saved Kaiden because Ashley is racist.

Hmm, and I wonderd how quick I would find a ****** like you when I clicked on this thread.

Exactly.

[krimesh]

Well the thread did ask for a honest reason - dumb-ass or not.

[SargeantRenegade]

Poetry plus goo-goo eyes equals one annoyed RenegadeShep. Kaidan gets saved just so that Ash will finally shut up.

[ajw]

I usually save Kaidan. Ash as a character has never really sat well with me and the one time I saved her she whined about why her and why not Kaidan and that she'd have gladly stayed and died so the officer could escape.



From a military standpoint though Kaidan is the better strategic resource. Ashley is just a basic run of the mill Alliance marine grunt whereas Kaidan is both a good tech and a powerful biotic. It might sound cruel but replacing grunts like Ashley is relatively easy but replacing a specialist like Kaidan is alot harder - especially given how rare decent strength biotics are supposed to be among humans.



On a private note my Shepards usually a biotic as well so tends to feel more of a kinship with Kaidan - they more easily become friends as both have the biotic thing to build off of. Plus Ash's borderline speciesism got annoying after awhile.

[Luke Bioware]

Hoes above bro's and the voice that also did Carth still annoys me slightly .