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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I save Ashley because it seems the right choice plot-wise and story-wise. Plot-wise because it makes more sense to continue to the final AA gun the STG were at so them being on the Normandy makes sense and Ashley being a better fit for fighting with them while Kaidan makes more sense to be with the bomb. Story-wise because her becoming a Lieutenant Commander and the second human Spectre being a break on the unjust 'Williams Curse' is a lot better a story and payoff than Kaidan's. 

[aoibhealfae]

It depends on how you see the story. One of the parts that I dislike about ME was that most of your characters suffered from "damsel in distress" trope at various point and it was used constantly as a plot device. But it became too repetitive with Ash in ME1. The first thing you do when you're introduced to Ashley was saving her from the geth. Then as BroShep, you saved her from the beacon. Then Anderson saw the potential in her and saved her career by assigning her to the famous ship. Then came the decision where you can sacrifice her or save her again on Virmire. At this point, I understand that for most folks, saving her was expected and not everyone was comfortable with the idea of women dying in combat. But I doubt women soldiers in real life expect their commanding officers or squad to drop everything to save their lives in repeat. 

 

As far as I'm concerned, Ashley redeemed her family's name when she offered herself to go with the Salarians. This is the same person who everyone accused as xenophobic because she viewed your alien teammates with suspicion and distrust but she didn't hesitate to volunteer her life for the mission. That is very admirable. And the Turian and Salarian government awarded Nova Cluster and Silver Dagger medals just for her.

[sjsharp2011]

Yeah Kotor 3 that tends to be how I choose who to save as well

[Gago]

BroShep saves Ashley, FemShep saves Kaidan. I've played only once as femshep so to me it is as Kaidan isn't even in the trilogy.

[aoibhealfae]

I don't think he's whiny either. In fact, I think he's a little too controlled. And the time when he wasn't, he's hard on himself. He should be happy for killing Vyrnnus, for example. 

It was a given actually. Military life is Kaidan's only career path because he could kill people with his biotics and didn't get into trouble because of it. He killed a Turian commander at 18. Everyone else viewed him like a deranged animal and a killer. He was a freak and for a kid, that's messed up. I find its ironic that people find him boring because they see him as normal and harmless but that's because he tried his best to appear that way. Unlike Jacob, Kaidan is one step closer to Jack if he let himself loose. 

[aoibhealfae]

I was reading that recently. I noticed the fear in everyone's eyes when he exploded and the anger he has. He's surprisingly more complex whenever I try to figure him out.

[Alfonsedode]

i m doing my first run with kaidan, and as much as he had nice lines in me 1, none of this translate to me3... I  m pretty disappointed, and i ll never save him again . Or is there a particular ME 3 mission it s nice to have him with ?

[fraggle]

i m doing my first run with kaidan, and as much as he had nice lines in me 1, none of this translate to me3... I  m pretty disappointed, and i ll never save him again . Or is there a particular ME 3 mission it s nice to have him with ?

 

All of them Nah, just kidding, if you don't like his content you won't ever be happy with him, I guess.

At least you tried, unlike me with Ashley, and I don't have any intention of ever saving her

[Alfonsedode]

All of them Nah, just kidding, if you don't like his content you won't ever be happy with him, I guess.

At least you tried, unlike me with Ashley, and I don't have any intention of ever saving her

he mostly doesnt even have specific content on the normandy. Maybe after next priority... I m just cleaning the map before quarian geth priority. Maybe i ll get more along the run later on

But in me1, he used to be pretty funny.

[fraggle]

he mostly doesnt even have specific content on the normandy. Maybe after next priority... I m just cleaning the map before quarian geth priority. Maybe i ll get more along the run later on

But in me1, he used to be pretty funny.

 

Oh, I never viewed him as funny, he's rather serious the whole time imo Is there a certain scene you remember him being funny? Might have slipped my mind, haha.

 

I have to say though, so far I've only seen his romance in ME3, not the "bro" dialogues, so I don't really know how they differ, but I guess romance has more content anyway.

[aoibhealfae]

Technically, everyone in ME3 barely has any content on the Normandy especially Tali (except for Liara of course..). But with VS, you have to count the whole arc from Vancouver to Mars to the hospital scenes and citadel coup scenes and you'll feel that they have bigger role in the main narrative than the rest of your squadmates. I learn to save several of non-expiring missions for more additional cutscenes with them. The DLCs helps too. Besides, you have to visit them in between missions to listen to more banters.

 

At least, you still get the same amount of dialogue cutscenes with them regardless of your romance status since the game simply act out alternate versions of the same scene. Its far more frustrating in ME2 since you get romance-gated with all optional-romance characters and there's a lot of unresolved conversation left hanging unless you romance them.  

[Alfonsedode]

Oh, I never viewed him as funny, he's rather serious the whole time imo

here u go :

[fraggle]

Yeeeah, ok, some of those are funny. The sweater one

OH! I know! Bring Kaidan and Liara when getting Javik, they have a hilarious scene there

[Alfonsedode]

OH! I know! Bring Kaidan and Liara when getting Javik, they have a hilarious scene there

I ll have to watch that on utbe, kaidan was at the hospital at this point

[Redbelle]

The thing about choosing Ash or Kaiden...... It wasn't about them for me.

 

It was about the bomb.

 

I always go back to protect the asset that will allow the mission to succeed. Therefore, the first time I made the choice it wasn't about who Ash or Kaiden are. It was about the mission and taking the choice that best served completing that mission.

 

Once I knew that choice existed however on the second and third throughways it was Ash all the way. She's wonderfully flawed in ME1 and in 2 I feel her reaction has justification for railing against Shepard isn't developed into to deep..... But in 3 the writer's took away her poetic spirit, her desire to make her family proud and do right by the galaxy and just made her......  Ashlite. Ash's flaws made her a bad person, but as a character in ME1 she had qualities that redeemed her and combining the two created a great character. Seeing that flawed but committed soldier working for the cause is just a narrative I can get behind compared to Kaiden, whose back story is so closely tied to Jacks in child experimentation and training..... yet came out a solid, well balanced guy despite that.... Well, if Kaiden had more issues I could interact with to help him be a better person I'd save him. But I never get that impression from him so I leave him to die because his life's peaked and that way he get's to go out with a bang.

[themikefest]

i m doing my first run with kaidan, and as much as he had nice lines in me 1, none of this translate to me3... I  m pretty disappointed, and i ll never save him again . Or is there a particular ME 3 mission it s nice to have him with ?

I choose Ashley most of the time. 

 

When I have Kaidan in ME3, I like his dialogue. Right after the coup, he talks about his parents and then after rescuing the ex-Cerberus scientists he talks with Shepard about them. He has dialogue on the shuttle when heading to Eden Prime. He also has a scene with James playing cards

 

Once he's back on the Normandy, I  have him with me for the rest of the game

[Seyd71]

Originally, when I first played ME1 after trying ME2 and loving the series, I saved Ashley. I didn't like her really as a love interest, but I went with her for some reason instead of Liara. I always did it, and after romancing Miranda the first time I played ME2 (before I had played ME1), I realized that I liked Tali, so I would always carry my Tali romance into ME3. I always disliked Ashley, I thought she was racist against other species, and after talking to her repeatedly I only learned that I disliked her more. She asks about whether or not you're religious, and while I answered yes her response to why she does seemed to be insulting to those who aren't religious. I also disliked how ready she was to kill Wrex on Virmire. Despite all of that though, I justified it by saying that Kaidan was boring, and that Ashley was female, and considering how my character was Paragon I thought that tipped the scales in her favor. However, I was considering going back and re-playing the trilogy, and wondered whether or not to save Kaidan this time. I finally decided to when I saw a video of what Ashley tells you if you or a companion shoots her. I then watched Kaidan's, and realized how much story, even if it was subtle, that he actually had.

 

He interacts better with the crew in my imagination, he's tolerant from the get-go of other races, and he's pretty honorable. I especially liked how if you brought him with you on the Geth Dreadnought, he discusses Omni-Tools with Tali. Ash just says "Ready to go kill some Geth?"

[Display Name Owner]

Well, in my first playthrough I was a paragon manshep. So... that's it. I picked Ashley literally because it's the first rule of the action hero handbook. Save the girl and have a sex scene.

 

In my second playthrough where I was actually thinking about what I was doing, I picked Kaiden because he's higher ranking and a biotic, so technically the more useful soldier, and because I had him guarding the bomb which was the purpose of the whole mission, even though from a meta perspective I knew it goes off either way.

[Batarian Master Race]

First playthrough, I picked Kaiden. He was with the bomb, and we needed that thing to go off so that Saren could be stopped.

 

Ashley was one of my absolute favorites in ME1, and it hurt to see her go. But the Warrior Poet had a good death.

 

When I continued the playthrough into ME3, I was surprised to see just how much Kaidan had changed. The issues with Shepard had grown into a pretty deep controversy over friendship, duty, and trust. 

 

I've picked Kaidan ever since. On my current playthrough, I even plan to romance him in ME3, to culminate his final arc of trusting Shepard.

 

Also, his shirtless scene... Even with the nasty injuries, the man has a body to die for.

[Monica21]

My honest reason? I want to romance Kaidan and not Ashley. I wish I could keep them both because I don't dislike Ashley, but since the game makes me choose, she's the one who dies.

[Beregond5]

It was a given actually. Military life is Kaidan's only career path because he could kill people with his biotics and didn't get into trouble because of it. He killed a Turian commander at 18. Everyone else viewed him like a deranged animal and a killer. He was a freak and for a kid, that's messed up. I find its ironic that people find him boring because they see him as normal and harmless but that's because he tried his best to appear that way. Unlike Jacob, Kaidan is one step closer to Jack if he let himself loose. 

 

Though I had never considered a Kaidan a whiner, you're raising a point that I personally hadn't thought of: how much of an impact killing the Turian had on him. Looking back, I realise that the clues were there, but as Kaidan actually rather downplayed the whole thing (going something like 'Well, you know, I screwed up, BAat closed down, girlfriend left me, anyway, what news from your end?') it makes me wonder why he is considered a whiner. 

 

Oh well, can't win them all.

[Ambivalent]

I think both are "shallow" characters that dedicated to their cause at start but they are willing to follow Shephard and loosen up a bit.

 

I tend to save Kaidan more because he's a biotic while Ashley is a simple soldier. Also he is higher rank, not mentioning he was original part of the crew.

 

I only played as Fem Shephard over over again(One can't has enough of Jennifer Hale), mostly paragon on first game. 

 

But i think a renegade Shep, preferably a male one may lean towards to Ashley since she seems to get job done no matter what while Kaidan is more sensible and open minded.(Read it as open to manipulations and weak minded since you're renegade )

 

PS: Haven't thought about gameplay balance because you have a team more than 2 people. You can save Ash while you are playing as a soldier and leave her on ship for example. Balance isn't a problem, similarity of ethics/ideas is.

[aoibhealfae]

Though I had never considered a Kaidan a whiner, you're raising a point that I personally hadn't thought of: how much of an impact killing the Turian had on him. Looking back, I realise that the clues were there, but as Kaidan actually rather downplayed the whole thing (going something like 'Well, you know, I screwed up, BAat closed down, girlfriend left me, anyway, what news from your end?') it makes me wonder why he is considered a whiner. 

 

Oh well, can't win them all.

From what I gather, the 'whiny' comment was mostly due to his Paragon attitude (similar to Carth Onasi), the general dislike over Raphael Sbarge's voice (which is his natural voice and imho, masculine and sexy) and he wasn't afraid to voice his disapproval whenever Shepard step over the line. In a game where you're allowed to do good and bad things, gamers want the fantasy to do bad things without overthinking the consequences, they don't need a seemingly beta-character to question your badass alpha's actions. But I've played as mixed morality character and he's surprisingly okay with a lot of Renegade kills that I considered too coldhearted like killing Rana Thanoptis. Then again, this is the guy who seduced his boss when he know fully well of the risk of being court-martialed. 

 

What he's really good at was hiding his Renegade side. Many responded badly to his ME2's reaction on Horizon because they expected Paragon Kaidan to see them and say nice things because Shepard is always right and he shouldn't question them (^deja vu) and they don't expect a very angry Commander Alenko. He contrasted with Ashley who is perceived as a Renegade and despite sharing almost exact same lines (Ashley's and Kaidan's), it didn't seem out of character for her but to most, it is with Kaidan. Then the cheating and Cerberus issues in ME3. Players felt like they're betrayed by Kaidan because they can't handle this side of him and all of these complicated feelings and character issues rounded up to "Kaidan being whiny and I hate him" type of responses. Its more impressive that Sbarge could elicit extreme reactions after a few minutes cameo in a lengthy game.

Ultimately, the best part of Kaidan in ME3 was watching him trying to fix his relationship with a heartbroken Shepard. Then again, like all LIs, all romance adds depth to these characters.