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[aoibhealfae]

Wait, Kaidan is pushy like that to Femshep? Never played it.

 

Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on Liara then. Maybe it's just a problem with ME1.

ME1's instaloves. I wouldn't exactly say pushy. He had an obvious big crush from the beginning which you can choose to say you're interested in him or not and he will treat you like a broshep. The best way to avoid his attention was to go all renegade on him post-Eden Prime. Then again, I consider FemShep herself being pushy on all of her ME2's LIs. 

 

But I'm more bothered by Liara's ME1's insta-love and ME3's guilt-tripping.

[Big Magnet]

ME1's instaloves. I wouldn't exactly say pushy. He had an obvious big crush from the beginning which you can choose to say you're interested in him or not and he will treat you like a broshep. The best way to avoid his attention was to go all renegade on him post-Eden Prime. Then again, I consider FemShep herself being pushy on all of her ME2's LIs. 

 

But I'm more bothered by Liara's ME1's insta-love and ME3's guilt-tripping.

In ME3, for some reason I find Friend Liara's scenes far more sweet than Lover Liara scenes  :3

 

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[Beregond5]

You know, she and I could be friends if she prefer Classical Epic Poetry. Homer is way better than Tennyson. 

Agreed.    (Though I'm kind of biased... )

[fraggle]

ME1 is so weird with the romances for me, every single one of them.

Currently I actually favor playing MShep and only romancing Kaidan in ME3, even though ME1 has more content with him in a relationship with FemShep. I'm not that big on instalove apparently

 

FemShep in ME2 is rather annoying for me as well. In my current playthrough I decided to not talk to Jacob at all, because the first time I heard her flirting RIGHT from the start I wanted to puke. WTF woman, you're still in a relationship with Kaidan at that point!

 

And yeah, I prefer friend-Liara, too (even though I might throw another Femshep in for her at some point). But I refuse her "gift" in ME3 now every single time after trying it out with my first Shep.

[aoibhealfae]

Yeah, I just realized (from reading elsewhere) that there's a lot of weird auto-romance content with Jacob.

 

Why do they do this? It doesn't seem like anyone likes it.

Its not really auto-romance. Its more Shepard leaning against the table and thrust her body to him and being auto-flirty then he would be like "oh, Cerberus don't have issues with fraternizing." ho hum. I find that more annoying than Kaidan's occasional adoring comments about Shepard being beautiful and stuff.

 

But I did go ahead flirting with him and then he start to talk about Miranda and that's when things go downhill with him. From flirty to downright I'm-not-amused Shepard : "You have something with Miranda. Is it serious? I want my crew to be professionals, we're on a suicide mission." and boy, he looked like I kicked his puppies.

[gottaloveme]

The only problem I have with Kaidan is the VA.  With a different voice, maybe he would'nt sound like he was whiny. As for Kaidan being whiny - I don't see that at all. Both my Sheps romance Kaidan and save him because they want too.

[fraggle]

Yeah, I just realized (from reading elsewhere) that there's a lot of weird auto-romance content with Jacob.

 

Why do they do this? It doesn't seem like anyone likes it.

 

No clue. But FemShep's sentences are written as much more flirty right from the start in comparism to MShep. Only for Jacob though, which makes it all the weirder.

The first sentence to Jacob when picking "I want to talk about you." is "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit." On screen, there's nothing wrong with that, but she says it so flirty... I don't know. That was such a downer for me. And it just really got worse from there. "You liked what you saw, Mr. Taylor?"

[aoibhealfae]

It might be because he played Carth... and he was whiny. So maybe people are projecting that.

but annoying Carth is one of the best moments of kotor1 

"Blast it, if you're not the most infuriating woman to talk to!" .....Yep...

[Callidus Thorn]

I always used to save Ashley.

 

It wasn't that I preferred her over Kaidan, but talking to Kaidan always bugged me. All of a sudden, everytime I go to talk to Kaidan someone appears to oil Shepard up for the conversation. It's just weird, and it annoys me so much that I don't talk to Kaidan. So Ashley got saved.

 

My last run I saved Kaidan. The things Ashley said bugged me a lot more this time around, and Kaidan was with the bomb, and I figured making sure it went boom was more important. Was kind of annoyed to see him running around in ME2 with an assault rifle though.

 

On my current run(Vanguard insanity) I'm just going to flip a coin. I've been using the aliens as backup anyway...

[aoibhealfae]

Was kind of annoyed to see him running around in ME2 with an assault rifle though.

Liara in ME1 don't have any weapon specialization at all. She shouldn't even know how to hold a gun and let alone be a gun expert in several short years. I don't see anyone complain about her having to wear all those useless weapons on her back and all talk shop about being inconsistent in ME2 and ME3. 

 

You know what didn't make sense. Ashley surviving the Collector attack. Kaidan have his biotics and even incapacitated, he could still use his brain to create a biotic barrier around him to protect himself from being stung again once the stasis fade. I could reason that he was gone by the time the Collectors came for Lilith. Its impossible for a dud like Ashley to escape the stasis swarms. Unless she throw inferno grenades around her... hmm

[aoibhealfae]

I always thought the swarms deactivated once the ship left... like they were disconnected from a master signal. So basically Kaidan or Ashley were trapped the whole time, until Shep fended the place off.

 

I don't know what happened really... it just how the story flowed in my head.

 

The swarms are vulnerable to biotics, so it didn't really make sense for Kaidan to stay in stasis particularly from being bitten by one bug. From the lore (or the books), biotics only need those hand movements when they're doing advance biotics like singularity, throw, pull etc. They only need to manipulate their nervous system to generate mass effect fields. He's as powerful as Miranda and I don't think he would have a problem creating a barrier while in stasis and break the stasis and prevent swarms from attacking him.

 

I don't think VS was anywhere near to the defense tower in the first scene. Since we only saw what happened to Lilith, I assume she was taken to the ship almost immediately after The Collectors land on Horizon (since Harbinger assume control to monitor the situation, I don't think he would take his sweet time to do it). I think in real time, Horizon was attacked and VS and the rest of the colonists was in stasis, TIM called Shepard about Horizon and they immediately set to Iera system and by time the Collectors was already collecting people from the colonies. It must been a few hours or days for Shepard to arrive on the colony since "half the colony" was taken; which means roughly 327,465 people was already on the ship. Had VS still in stasis and near to Lilith, Kaidan/Ashley should be on the ship.

 

I like to think VS escaped the stasis and try to lay low and avoid capture. I assume VS would head back to the defense towers but was hindered because of the amount of Collectors in the area. Then the Collectors would be distracted by Shepard's arrive and they would find their ways to the towers. Hence why VS show up almost immediately after the ship left.

 

At least, that's what I like to think. I guess it made sense to me why VS would be pissed off since VS was alone the whole time and had to watch the Collectors taking all these people and the only way for the rest of Horizon colonists to survive was for VS to abandon the colonists around him, keep themselves alive and fix that towers... and Shepard simply drop by and save the day and then left all the aftermath to them. Even more sting if they're in love with Shepard.

[Ambivalent]

It might be because he played Carth... and he was whiny. So maybe people are projecting that.

 

He was also Scorch from Republic Commando and he was kick ass. ("If we are all clones, how come i am the only one with sense of humour?")

[Quarian Master Race]

First time through, it was Ash because I figured Kaidan was the better choice to arm the bomb due to actually having some tech skills, then when the decision came it was ultimately between one life (Kaidan) and many (Ash and the salarians).

Now, the choice comes down to the individual playthrough, because I like both characters about equally, but for different reasons. Ashley probably has a slight edge overall due to my bias toward having as many strong women represented in media as possible, as well as the fact that I actually like using her in the squad in ME3 rather frequently.

[Solace]

Kaiden is more useful as a companion, so I choose to save him.

[Elhanan]

Also, I enjoy playing a Sentinel, but dislike playing a Soldier; thus keep Ash and allow Kaiden to sacrifice himself for the greater good... of the gameplay.

[Rogue Unit]

I was trying to hit it, so Kaidan dies

[BronzTrooper]

If I'm playing FemShep, Kaidan dies.  If I'm playing MaleShep, Ashley dies.  Only time I don't go by that is if I'm romancing one of them.  It's really that simple for me.

 

Why?  Well, it comes down to the fact that both of them bore me to no end.  Even their romances are pretty boring, imo.  Not to mention that the only difference between them in ME2 and ME3 is that they have differing dialogue.  Gameplay doesn't factor into it since they're most likely benched for the rest of ME1 after I get Wrex, Garrus, and Tali, and the fact that they're benched in ME3 for 90% of the game (for me, I mean).  Hell, if I was given the option to switch Ash/Kaidan out for any of the other ME2 companions in ME3, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[BLKCandy]

Ashley dies, always Ashley.

 

Honestly: I personally dislike racist, militarism Ashley. My Shep is a mixture of both paragon hero and badass renegade, but your 'tough militarism' attitude annoys me Ashley. Hell, even if she survives, I'm going to file for her transfer. Her xenophobic view and her quick mouth will damage the crew cohesion, and might get me into trouble one day.

 

My in character justification: Enemy may disarm the nuke, or just transport the nuke away ruining the mission. Thus, the nuke must be secured. My Shep didn't go for Keidan, he go for the nuke.

[BronzTrooper]

Ashley dies, always Ashley.

 

Honestly: I personally dislike racist, militarism Ashley. My Shep is a mixture of both paragon hero and badass renegade, but your 'tough militarism' attitude annoys me Ashley. Hell, even if she survives, I'm going to file for her transfer. Her xenophobic view and her quick mouth will damage the crew cohesion, and might get me into trouble one day.

 

My in character justification: Enemy may disarm the nuke, or just transport the nuke away ruining the mission. Thus, the nuke must be secured. My Shep didn't go for Keidan, he go for the nuke.

 

Honestly, as much as Ashley bores me, it annoys me to no end when people call her 'racist' and/or 'xenophobic'.  Put simply: she's not racist or xenophobic.  She's xenocautious, which is entirely different.  And hell, that only really applies to her in ME1.  ME2-3?  Not really.

 

What I mean by 'xenocautious' is that she's not entirely trusting of aliens, which, really, can be applied to most humans in the MEverse.

 

As for the militarism part...... well, I don't really care about it, tbh.  I'm the kind of person who's interested in whatever relates to the military, even though I don't want to join it myself, so I guess that's part of why I don't really care about it.  * shrugs *

[aoibhealfae]

Okay.. now that I've played with unromanced Kaidan and a living Ashley in ME3. I like both almost equally and I do think the writer did a good job reintroducing them into the story after that brief hiatus in ME2.

 

Here's what I think; save Kaidan if you romance and/or want to romance him or save Ashley because she's your BFF. Yes, regardless of how you feel about Ashley, unromanced Ashley is always Shepard's BFF (unless you purposely renegade on her). As for similarities, the context of their discussions was similar but they're both very different and I find that there's more dialogues for Ashley than with Kaidan, and she's a lot warmer to Shepard plus there's an extra scene with her at the memorial. While Kaidan's dialogues only changes subtly between romanced and unromanced, he's a lot colder and more formal to unromanced Shepard, which I didn't like at all.

 

And I could believe that Kaidan was a Spectre candidate in ME2. He said it himself, he was investigating for the council much like what Shepard did with Saren. Had he prove Shepard as a rogue Spectre, by right he should've been made a Spectre then. So, his Spectre status in ME3 didn't surprise me. But it didn't make sense for Ashley who was bumped from Operations Chief to Lieutenant Commander and Spectre-fied in six months. Her conversation differed from Kaidan. He was more cool and confident with the added responsibility while Ashley need to be reassured and then curiously, she answered directly to Udina. It really feel like Udina gained an additional bodyguard with her around. With Kaidan. I don't think he's okay with Udina at all. He's loyal to Anderson and I still remember his "You bastard! You sell us out!".

 

But I think its clear on Virmire, the choice is choosing between your trusted senior officer or your new friend. Choosing Ashley meant you are saving her because she's your friend... Kaidan is a friend too but he try to professional about it especially if you don't want to romance him. And I'm not in the military but choosing someone solely because she's more valued a friend is a clear favoritism, right? The conversation after Virmire even differ between them. 

 

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Despite Ashley's general distrust over her alien crew and occasionally being rude to Liara,  I find nearly all of your squadmates are xenophobic at one degree to another and their prejudice are all offensive. But for me, the worst offender wasn't Ashley but Garrus. Yup.