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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW! I can't figure it out. Kaiden or Ashley?!



I played Mass Effect 2 first.



And my Romantic Interest is Miranda hands down. )))



I don't want any relationships in ME1. So who lives and who dies?!

[BirdieShepard]

I saved Kaiden; **** shot my Krogan :S

[Heather Cline]

I saved Ashley because Kaiden was a downer and a dork. Plus Ashley had a lot more personality than Kaiden ever did.

[jwalker]

Never really liked those two humans. I find Ash irritating and Kaidan just boring. I'd rather have a conversation with Liara, Wrex or Garrus.

In the end it was always an easy decision: dude gets nuked, chick gets saved. I'm that shallow.

[Nahal The Reckless]

I want to point out, for those concerned with saving Kirrahe, that the only factor that determines if he lives or dies is if the player/Shepard completes the 'Virmire: Assisting Kirrahe's Team' side quest.  It doesn't matter if you go to the AA tower or the bomb site, as the team at the AA tower doesn't have Kirrahe with them.  Presumably the Normandy picked up Kirrahe, along with the other Salarian survivors that you find in the cargo hold, at some point before Shepard is picked up at the end of the mission.

I personally try to use in-character reasoning to determine the course of my Shepard's actions as much as possible.  I mean, I may find Ashley's comment about leaving your dog to die fighting a bear a bit disturbing personally, but neither I -nor any of my Shepards- are going to condemn her to death for it.  Nor am I going to let Kaidan get blown up just because I didn't particularly like another character, in another game, who happened to be voiced by the same voice actor.

Anyway, I always send Ashley with the Salarians and have Kaidan guard/setup the bomb.  I do this because they both seem well suited to the roles.  Ashley is a frontline fighter, capable of taking and dishing out a lot of damage, while the Salarians are (as Kirrahe says) "trained for espionage", so I think they could really use her help.  I recall Kirrahe also mentions (when asked about the it in an 'investigate' option I think) that the bomb's reliability depends on the person arming it and, of the two of them, Kaidan definitely has better technical skills than Ashley.

So that means Ashley is the one trapped in the AA tower, and Kaidan is the one guarding/arming the bomb when I have to decide who to go save near the end of the mission.  The trouble for me is that I've actually come up with serparate, in-game, arguments to go to both the AA tower and the bombsite.

The whole point of this mission is to smash Saren's Krogan breeding facility to atoms, so that he can't make his army that much bigger and deadlier.  That line of thought would favor heading back to the bombsite, to make absolutely certain that Saren's Geth can't disarm the bomb (or just move it somewhere it won't do as much/any good).  On the other hand, we can't get the hell out of there and warn (or at least try to warn) the Council that Sovereign is an actual reaper, or continue the fight against it ourselves, if the Normandy gets blown the hell up by that AA tower.  That line of thinking would favor going to the AA tower and making sure that the Geth don't regain control of it.  Decisions, decisions....

This is one point where I sometimes meta-game a bit.  I, like a lot of people, sometimes get accidentally locked into to a romance with Ashley.  If that's the case I'll say my Shepard decided that making sure the bomb goes off is the more important objective, and that he can rely on Ashley and the Salarians with her to hold the line at the AA tower until the bomb goes off (at which point Normandy should be long gone, or at least outside the blast zone).  The one time I somehow managed to avoid getting stuck into a romance with Ashley I went to the AA tower instead.  My Shepard wanted to make sure the Normandy can get away to warn the Council, and I -as a player- wanted to see what changed if Ashley lived.

Even if I do manage to avoid accidentally getting into the Ashley romance with my next play-through (which I may well be able to do with the aid of this guide, though I haven't tried it's advice before, so I'll have to wait and see if it works), I'm not sure who will be sacificing themselves on Virmire.  From the meta-gaming stand point, (I think someone else pointed out earlier as well) Ashley's sacrifice seems more dramatic, but I also think that her survival is more dramatic too, so that sort of cancels itself out.  However, I do consider Kaidan's abilities a bit more versatile, a bit more useful, than Ashley's.  As I said before, I normally wouldn't meta-game, but this is an instance where I feel I can make an in-character decision either way.  As I play up to that point though, I might develop enough of an idea of my latest Shepard's personality to know which objective he would consider more important, but failing that I'll probably head back to the bombsite and rescue Kaidan.

Modifié par Nahal The Reckless, 20 septembre 2010 - 01:42 .

[Sunset Sill]

Saved Ashley, even though my character was romancing Kaidan.



Hate to say it, but she had more people who would mourn her. All those sisters. Too many crying women. Kaidan didn't talk much about a family.



Also, Ashley wasn't ready to die, much as it would restore her family's honour or whatever. She needed to learn a lot more about the universe, lose some of those biases. Kaidan was pretty wise for his age, and all at peace with his past. Or so he said. I'd like to believe him. He would probably feel guilty if you swooped in to save him instead of the girl, too, considering how gentlemanly he tries to be.



IC, my character was also influenced by the fact that everyone would assume she'd saved Kaidan because they were romancing. She and Kaidan, as soldiers, would have to have an understanding that the mission comes first. Also, guarding a bomb till it explodes is a very epic death.

[AdamNW]

I felt that Ashley had more to live for.



Plus, I simply just did not like Kaidan.

[tatatala82]

I save Ashley becos i save Kaiden in my first playthough

[stewie1974]

Because I wanted to look at her funny crossed eyes on horizion....

[ObserverStatus]

Mister Mida wrote...

Usually I choose Ashley because I wanna try to NOT get into a relationship with her, which can only work if you're a real jackass.

You were right about one thing, that wasn't interesting.

[V-rex]

Love. There's a reason.



My Commander Shepard did not need to have any tactical reason to save Ashley, he could mention about how she was with the Salarian team or how she had a family who would grieve for her and that it wasn't worth dying to redeem her family name when she has such a long life ahead of her, hell he could even maintain she was the better soldier.



But really, isn't love enough? All things considered. I mean Commander Shepard in my playthrough is hardly the sort of guy just itching to get laid, he had grown a real emotional connection to this woman and he didn't want to lose her so suddenly.



The way I see it, the emotion called 'love' and the ability to have feelings for each other is pretty much what Shepard is fighting for, I mean the Reapers have no emotion, no feelings and no compassion... only logic. If Shepard gave up the strongest emotional tie he had to a member of the crew in the name of 'logic' then really what is the point of fighting the Reapers at all? What would he be if he didn't have any form of emotion, If he was willing to sacrifice the great love of his life, he might as well just BE a Reaper.



So yeah, that's the reason above all else.

[Melra]

I wanted a good friend and XO, so I chose Kaidan. Ashley wasn't really my type of person. Guess I missed Carth Onasi a bit, no matter how whiny he was sometimes.

[DRSH]

My Shepard loves Ashley. I liked Kaidan a lot as a friend, but I couldn't let Ashley die. The 1st time I played I thought I could save both of them and went after Ashley first, thinking that Kaidan was a strong man capable of holding the line till I come for him too... I felt really sad for leaving him behind. I also want to say that I am among the few that enjoyed being talked down by Ashley on Horizon... she was right about my Shepard. I was with Cerberus because they brought me back to life & I owed them a chance... one chance. Hopefully Ashley will be by my Shepard's side in ME3, otherwise... he'll be a broken man for the rest of his life, which might not be too long.

Modifié par DRSH, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:29 .

[OBakaSama]

The cop out answer: Depends how I'm playing the game.

If Shepard was romancing one of them, then that's the person who will be saved for the most part. That is if one is led by their heart.

If not romancing either of them, then it's a purely tactical decision for me. In which case I'm likely to save Kaidan, who I leave to set the nuke, because he's the next in line of command. As bad as that sounds, Ashley is a soldier and is seen as being more expendable than someone who is higher up the chain of command.

Essentially, if Shepard doesn't romance Ash, then she dies. Every time. (That sounds rather morbid....)

[Chiyeko]

For me it was simply, I been playing star trek pen and paper RPGs for a long time including command on some. So I looked at this whole thing as a captain



There are good reasons to send either of them with the strike team, Kaiden because he is the ranking officer, Ashley because she is a strong extra gun and the only reason to have he there is for communication anyway. I tend to send Kaiden because he is an officer and thus could take command of the team and should have a better field command oversight.



than when the choice comes it is saving 1 person or Kaiden and what is left of the strike team. In this case: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." So Ashley dies she knew the risks just like anyone else and Kaiden has a team of people with him I cannot let those all get gunned down.



Still if it had been truely up to me I would have left a small squad on the roof to cover the nuke that way they could have covered the nuke without any trouble.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Kaidan would be more useful to the Salarians and the cut scene of Saren holding you over a puddle of water is just bad compared to the one at the tower.

[JockBuster]

Heather Cline wrote...

I saved Ashley because Kaiden was a downer and a dork. Plus Ashley had a lot more personality than Kaiden ever did.

Kaidan is a dedicated, soft spoken, thinks things thru kind of "good angel." He doesn't take sex nor romance lightly, ie he is NOT going to cheat on you nor play the field.
Try playing as a FEMshep, turn Kaidan RENEGADE (oh yeah!) part of the Romance/Pompidor ... that might change your mind about him. Then Horizon and his e-mail make more sense, emotional and otherwise.

[JPRushton]

krimesh wrote...

I am not getting the "secure the bomb" argument. With a nuke you can't just cut the red cable. Once it has been activated it will blow. It's even not always possible to stop a nuclear reaction in a power station if it gets out of hand, so how should the Geth do it with a bomb? Besides, you yourself have to clear the area too, so the bomb WILL be left alone if you rescue the person at the bomb. From this point of view it is safer to leave the person with the bomb to protect it until it actually blows.

You can actually. Nuclear weapons are detonated by explosives compressing nuclear material violently to critical mass. There is no slow build up to the explosion. Disarm the explosives and you're left with a (radioactive) paperweight. Nuclear accidents in reactors are something different entirely, generally due to the failure of cooling systems in reactors and subsequent fires and explosions. It would be almost impossible for something resembling a nuclear explosion to happen at a nuclear power plant.

[Mecha Tengu]

because ashley is an annoying ****

Modifié par Pacifien, 22 septembre 2010 - 03:22 .

[Dave of Canada]

I'd lie if I said there wasn't metagaming in this decision but I tend to romance Ashley and save Kaidan less than 5% of the time. Though I tend to warp it around so it makes sense for my Shepard to logically save Kaidan. I send Kaidan with the Salarians because his relations with aliens is better than Ashley (Note: I'm not calling Ashley a xenophobe.) and he's the higher ranking officer, he'd know more how to lead soldiers than Ashley. When the choice comes up, Ashley is left with the bomb and I'm told to either go back and save the bomb or continue and hope Ashley can protect it long enough.

This leads to me saving Ashley for metagame reasons and saving the bomb for ingame reasons.

[deadspyder88]

I save Ashley every time because there just something inside that tells me it is wrong to leave a woman to die. It may be a stupid and stuck in time reasoning but that is it.

[Pacifien]

Whatever your reasons for disliking one character or another, do try to keep the tone civil from now on. Also, the vulgar language filter is there for a reason and circumventing it will get you into trouble, particularly if you're being derogatory with it.

Modifié par Pacifien, 22 septembre 2010 - 03:23 .

[Melancholic]

Kaidan made me go into Carth-rage every time he opened his mouth. It was an easy decision.

[Ashaman X]

I always saved Ashley. She's a damn good Soldier, and complements my Infiltrator nicely. Apart from that, my Shep is deeply in love with her, and sees a bright future for her, something he couldn't throw away. Kaidan was for all intents and purposes Shep's brother, but he chose to guard the Tower and he offered to die. I like to believe that beyond the heroics, it was also an end to his biotic headache misery, which I understand was only getting worse.



Still, my Shep feels misery over that choice, and would do anything to be able to save both of them, but he knows that deep down, he would always take Ash.