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[Silvery]

Honestly first playthrough I ever did years ago and it was a difficultly decision that I agonized over came down to the fact that I was pursing a romance with Ashley.  

[SentinelMacDeath]

Naughty me: HE'S HOT HOT DAMN I need him in my life forever

Regular me: Natural born leader, exceptional biotic, great soldier, field medic, strong set of morals

Didn't even hesitate, I never do, Ash sorry but you know...

[JJ Likeaprayer]

Ahhhh...the painful choice. I saved Kaidan,because.....I fell in love with him the very first time I glimpsed on him. And in my game Ashley was surrounded by the salarian soldiers at that point,while Kaidan was alone.

[Jeffonl1]

Kaiden always takes one for the team.  He's way too nice = boring

[RakhanaBby]

Depends. First playthrough with femShep, i chose Kaidan coz he's a biotic (she's not) and male. Some mumbo jumbo I thought out about evening out the group in ME1. Then when I had maleShep, I saved Ashley (solder and basically can hold any type of weapon) to my maleShep biotic.

THEN in my 2nd plathrough wth femShep, i just said "**** it" and saved Ash. Imma do maleShep next time and save Kaidan

Becoz plot devices. Also, f*** BioWare, I liked them both. Why did I have to choose? OTL

[ArcadiaGrey]

The first time I played I purely made a logical choice.  Ash mentions that Kaidan has the skills to prime the bomb, so I sent him to do that and Ash with the Salarians as she's good in battle.

 

When it came to the choice my thought was 'the bomb has to go off no matter what, even if we all go up with it.'  So I went to defend Kaidan while he finished up so that the bomb would blow.  Made sense to me, complete the mission at all costs.

 

Of course, I can easily come up with reasons to do the opposite like trying to save the Salarians, but that was my first unbiased 'doing what I think my Shep would actually do' decision.

[Natureguy85]

The first time I played I purely made a logical choice.  Ash mentions that Kaidan has the skills to prime the bomb, so I sent him to do that and Ash with the Salarians as she's good in battle.

 

When it came to the choice my thought was 'the bomb has to go off no matter what, even if we all go up with it.'  So I went to defend Kaidan while he finished up so that the bomb would blow.  Made sense to me, complete the mission at all costs.

 

Of course, I can easily come up with reasons to do the opposite like trying to save the Salarians, but that was my first unbiased 'doing what I think my Shep would actually do' decision.

 

Interesting; we made the same tactical decision on which to defend but swapped who went where based on different reasons. Those do make sense.

 

On a different note, I always found it interesting that Kaidan says "with all due respect", not Ashley. He's an officer and she is not. I suppose it's just Kaidan's nice-guy personality or it's a backhanded "shut up" like Ashley says, which would be out of character but still fun.

[Midnight Bliss]

I could never, ever, ever leave Kaidan behind.

 

Not to mention the fact from a general thematic standpoint it kind of... Makes no sense? Kaidan is the only person who has a pre existing relationship with Shep, is higher rank than Ashley and more valuable tactically. Outside of a Broshep x Ash playthrough I'm not really sure why you'd want to leave Kaidan.

 

With that said I loved Ash too though. Despite me supporting difficult choices I'm a bit sad the ability to rescue both of them didn't make the cut.

[Barquiel]

Honest reason? I found Ashley more interesting.

Even if I don't agree with her views and don't really like her anti-alien leanings, I think she is a better and more interesting character (and she has a more pleasant voice), at least in ME1. Chris L'Etoile's writing was pretty good imo, and I always found her to be a very realistic and well crafted character. Kaidan on the other hand is a nice guy...but he is perhaps one of the blandest characters ever created by Bioware (imo). But my main problem with him is his "romance". It was actually somewhat interesting listening about Jump Zero, but just talking to him obviously leads him to believe I am interested in him. Suddenly he's all "I got signals." And there is no way of telling Kaidan that you're into Liara (who suddenly also thinks Shepard and Kaidan have something "special")...or to dissuade him without being an ass about it.

[Trvp710]

I prefer Kaidan as a character to Ashley. Ashley is racist, hot headed, and generally very annoying. Kaidan may be boring but I find he is much more thoughtful than Ashley, and comes accross as a smart guy.

 

So usually in my ME1 playthroughs I send Kaidan with the Salarians, then save him over Ashley. That way, there is a proper reason to save Kaidan, as you will also save the Salarians.

[Natureguy85]

I prefer Kaidan as a character to Ashley. Ashley is racist, hot headed, and generally very annoying. Kaidan may be boring but I find he is much more thoughtful than Ashley, and comes accross as a smart guy.

 

So usually in my ME1 playthroughs I send Kaidan with the Salarians, then save him over Ashley. That way, there is a proper reason to save Kaidan, as you will also save the Salarians.

 

Ashley isn't racist, she's nationalistic.

[Trvp710]

Ashley isn't racist, she's nationalistic.

She doesn't want aliens on the ship. She then proceeded to compare them to dogs. While she does make some sense (leaving the dog with the bear so you can escape), Turians, Krogan, Quarians, etc are far more intelligent than dogs.

 

She also says "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" while on the Citadel.

[StarcloudSWG]

Ashley is not actually racist against aliens. She doesn't like them and she doesn't have experience dealing with them, but she doesn't advocate directly or indirectly hateful actions against them. When aliens are bought aboard the Normandy, she doesn't demand that they be thrown out the airlock or quietly "disposed of" or even just put off the ship.

 

Over time, her attitudes soften a little as she increasingly interacts with the alien members of the crew.

 

She does have a human-centric worldview and recognizes the fundamental truth that every different race of sapient beings looks out for their own, first. But she explicitly rejects the xenophobic attitudes, inhumane experimentation, and terrorist actions of Cerberus.

 

Since I always put Kaiden with the bomb and Ashley with the salarians, I always save Ashley. She has the larger team, and in the long term, having friends in the STG is bound to be useful to a Spectre.

 

Plus the real reason: Kaiden reminded me too much of Carth Onasi. And from the very first scene in KOTOR and the infirmary in Mass Effect, both characters struck me as being creepy. Either overly emo or quietly stalkerish. Playing as femme Shep, that made me feel squicky.

 

What redeemed him was the way he was written in Mass Effect 3. Suddenly, he became a thoughtful man who had interests and friendships outside of getting into his commanding officer's pants, and actually displayed an analytic mind that considered many options.

[Natureguy85]

She doesn't want aliens on the ship.

 

Correct, for nationalist reasons. They aren't alliance and humanity was recently at war with the Turians. This is the same as an American Marine not wanting an Iranian scientist to have access to sensitive US information.

 

 

She then proceeded to compare them to dogs.

 

Actually, in her analogy, the Council is the person and Humanity is the dog. She is saying that while the Council is accepting of Humanity now, they will dump Humans if trouble comes and doing so would help them.

 

 

 

She also says "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" while on the Citadel.

 

That's common science fiction stuff. It's weakened by the fact that there were no animals on the Citadel.

[Barquiel]

Ashley isn't racist, she's nationalistic.

I think she says a few things in ME1/2 which could be construed as racist...

"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I am no fan of aliens"
"I can't tell the aliens from the animals"

I know some people argue that Ashley says these things just because she's all hot-headed and/or jealous. But that isn't really a excuse imo. If you're someone who does not consider aliens to be inferior to humanity for simply not being human, you don't blurt crap like that to begin with. I would describe her as a mild racist (at least in ME1/2, I don't recall seeing evidence after that. I mean, even Pressley came around eventually...). She doesn't trust aliens and doesn't treat them equally simply because of their race.

[Natureguy85]

I think she says a few things in ME1/2 which could be construed as racist...

"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I am no fan of aliens"
"I can't tell the aliens from the animals"
 

 

The only one I have heard is the last one, which I already explained away. What is the context for the others? They certainly sound more toward racism than what I described.

[Barquiel]

The only one I have heard is the last one, which I already explained away. What is the context for the others? They certainly sound more toward racism than what I described.

You get the first three lines if you romance Liara, and the other line on Horizon.

I think that last comment is rather bad as well - no matter what species. I mean, the Mass Effect universe isn't like the Star Trek universe where you have hundreds/thousands of different species. I'd expect everyone in the alliance to know at least the citadel races (that's less than 10 species).

[Mlady]

Kaiden should be the one to take care of the nuke because he has tech skills, Ash is a leader in the making so she's with Kirrahe, but why do I save Kaiden? To make sure that bomb goes off. Ash also gets deserved recognition as a Williams for her sacrifice too. Funny thing is, if you save her, Shepard can tell her that dying is not a way to regain her family name, but I think becoming a Spectre under questionable circumstances, then shooting a Councilor or pointlessly dying for protecting him is unfair for her. Kaiden is the young and innocent guy who starts to harden a bit after the Citadel Coup and begins to understand Shepard better.

 

That's just my take on things.

[obbie31]

I see people saying Kaidan is boring. But how do people excuse what happens to Ash in ME3? She's quite literally the most boring character in the series. She does nothing in the game, interacts with no one, has much fewer scenes than Kaidan. Outside of her outspoken nature, she's pretty awful in ME3. Kaiden's more interesting in ME3 and he's a better squadmate.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I used to save Ashley, but since ME3 and seeing what they did to Ashley's character, I save Kaidan. The writers cut a lot of content for Ashley in ME3 apparently not wanting to keep things too PC.

 

Shepard: I saw what they did to your character in ME3. Trust me, Ash, it's better this way.

[aoibhealfae]

It might not seem that way but Ashley have a lot more dialogues and longer scenes than Kaidan (especially the Hospital and the Dock scene). I've unearthed someone's ME3 dialogues project and found surprisingly there's a lot of Ashley's ambient dialogues that I never heard off. 

 

Ashley: Biotics kind of freak me out.

 

Ashley: Heard you were back in form blasting away flashlights down there.

Ashley: Maybe I should be more open-minded, but I'd rather scope down some tin can than a person.

 

Ashley: Dark tunnels, toxic goo, and those damn cockroaches again?

Ashley: But you did the right thing, Commander. The queen couldn't be trusted.

Ashley: Good soldiers died because of her--again.

Ashley: Glad that thing the Reapers stitched together is gone

Ashley: I'm not sure about this deal you made. I have trouble trusting that... thing. I guess we'll see.

 

Maybe I should replay the game again and check her again.

[Mexiguin]

I chose Liara over Kaiden, and instead of just breaking his heart, I decided to sacrifice him too. In retrospect, I actually wish I had saved him instead.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I just saved Ash for the first time and I have to say I enjoyed seeing her again in ME3.  

Granted she was Shep's LI so maybe that added to the dialogue, but the tension in the Mars mission, her asking me if I'd cheated on her and Shep defending himself 'er you dumped me Ash, damn right I moved on', and then them making up and talking about family as she recovered....I liked all that.  I still prefer Kaidan but I'm glad I saved her once, and that it happend to be the one Shep who romanced her was a nice coincidence.

 

Also Mark Meer's voice acting with Ash in ME3 is great, they have good chemistry and I feel like he still cares about her.

[Shechinah]

During my first round, I choose to save Ashley because I was afraid I'd accidentally romanced Kaiden and did not know if it was too late to undo the romance.

 

On my second round, I choose to save Kaidan because I'd previously saved Ashley.

 

On my third round, I choose to save Kaidan because I'd found that I preferred him as the Virmire Survivor and it fitted the character dynamic I had going better with Ashley dying and Kaidan surviving because of their respective relationships with that Shepard.

[Little Princess Peach]

I disliked ash I thought she would get worse and loose her merbels and kill off my alien crew if I let her live that and kaiden is hot