The only interesting thing that Ash says on the Normandy is if Tali dies and her conversation with Tali on the dreadnought. I wish there was more of that. But sadly she doesn't get it. I was pretty annoyed after the Leviathan DLC that Ash didn't even seem to give a damn that I barely survived back on the Normandy.
From my experience both Kaiden and Tali expressed concern after that mission but not Ash. That was when I was done with her as silly as it may sound.
Kaiden guards the bomb because he is more tech savvy. So, Kaiden gets saved, because the bomb is priority. Plus, Kaidan is more powerful than most Biotics, because of his implant. Ashley is a good soldier, but the decision is between a powerful biotic that can operate the Normandy, is tech savvy, and is very powerful, or a soldier who is good at soldiering.
Squicky? Is that a real word?Playing as femme Shep, that made me feel squicky.
I always save Kaidan. Everything he says is out of character in ME2.
He and Garrus remind me of Leliana in Dragon Age. You can harden or unharden their personalities. I love having Kaiden shoot you know who in ME3 because it's about time he toughened up! I find he develops quite a lot by ME3.
I always save Kaidan. Everything he says is out of character in ME2.
Also,
Squicky? Is that a real word?
http://tvtropes.org/...php/Main/Squick
Engineer Donnelly in ME2: I'm just saying I'm feeling a wee bit threatened here. A lot of female energy, and I'm just one man.
I don't feel threatened like him but that's my honest reason. I want more booties on my ship.
Kaiden guards the bomb because he is more tech savvy. So, Kaiden gets saved, because the bomb is priority. Plus, Kaidan is more powerful than most Biotics, because of his implant. Ashley is a good soldier, but the decision is between a powerful biotic that can operate the Normandy, is tech savvy, and is very powerful, or a soldier who is good at soldiering.
To add to this,
- Kaidan sounds like a tactician. He's the guy who talks about the missions in ME1 vs Ashley who just wants to fight and go home.
- Seems more intelligent, as mentioned in the post above, because he is a Sentinel. Biotics and Tech 'expert' vs Ashley who is just a grunt (and no, she isn't less intelligent because she's religious).
- Kaidan is higher ranked and is an officer. Coupled with his tech expertise, Shepard cannot spare him for the STG team and sets him to guard the nuke.
- Thus saving the nuke from Saren is top priority
- Kaidan sounds like a tactician. He's the guy who talks about the missions in ME1 vs Ashley who just wants to fight and go home.
- Kaidan is higher ranked and is an officer.
One explains the other. they are related
I am currently on another ME1 Renegon run primarily using Kaidan and Ashley pairing. Interestingly enough, Kaidan did actually advice Shepard a lot during missions. Maybe we should pick up Liara. Maybe we should talk to that Anoleis guy. Maybe we should be more diplomatic. Do you really want to destroy an entire race? Similar to James and Kaidan, they sometimes switch dialogue priority regardless of the placement in the team. But even after each mission he's a lot articulate than with Ashley.
Saren go to where Shepard goes. But for me, since Kaidan volunteered to go to STG first, I usually let him go to them. Either of them was good for the bomb, Kaidan since he's a tech expert and Ashley since she's a weapon's expert and Geth was swarming the area and they have to fight them off. Somehow I like the scene where the one left with the bomb would look up to Normandy passing by and then continue protecting the bomb from the geth. If you save the one at the bomb site, you wont get to see the ones left at the AA towers.. so.
Only an insane person would even think about leaving Kaidan behind..........
To me it was simple...although i was more close to kaidan personality...i could never, ever, send to die a girl instead of a man. Never.
I don t even understand how so many have chosen kaidan to survive.
To me it was simple...although i was more close to kaidan personality...i could never, ever, send to die a girl instead of a man. Never.
I don t even understand how so many have chosen kaidan to survive.
I know where you're coming from, but a lot of people will take the "a marine is a marine" view. There is something to be said for both. My fiancee got mad at me the other day for saying women shouldn't be in front line combat roles. Despite the protests of the Marines, our civilian leadership is pushing that on our armed forces.
I know..and i understand what you are trying to say...but marine or not a girl is something sacred. Its life for me! Our instinct is to protect them. As it is to protect a children.
If i had to choose between a civil guy and her as a marine i could understand that..it was her duty, but not between two soldiers.
On my first playthrough (Paragon fem Shep) I saved Kaidan because I liked him more as a character. Also, my Shepard hadn't decided about the romance so I wanted to keep both options around.
On my second playthrough (Renegade male Shep) I once again ended up saving Kaidan. This time it was a tactical and roleplay choice. Kaidan was never really in my party during my first playthrough but this Shepard's #1 team was Wrex + Kaidan which worked really freaking well. Also looking forward for ME3 skills, I knew Kaidan would complement him very well... which he did. (Somehow they ended up in bed too =P). It also fit the roleplay. Kaidan was already part of Shepard's crew whereas Ashley was the newcomer... and being a douchy Renegade, Shepard was like: "I don't want her in my ship!" with Anderson answering: "Shuddup! It's MY ship!". it fit his roleplay to remain more... loyal towards his original crew. Also, Kaidan's skills were more diverse and he seemed to have more tactical outlook than Ashley, not to mention that the bomb (which Kaidan was taking care of) was the absolute priority for this Shepard, so yeah... Kaidan it was. Once again.
.... I really need to try and save Ashley on my next playthrough =P
To me it was simple...although i was more close to kaidan personality...i could never, ever, send to die a girl instead of a man. Never.
I don t even understand how so many have chosen kaidan to survive.
It's usually decision based on whether they're my LI, or who I think works better for that Shepard going forward in that particular playthrough.
Or if I'm in a less serious mood... I pick Kaidan because he's good at making bacon, and Ashley because she's good at "making bacon".
Ashley.
Because she isn't from Vancouver.
I save Ashley over Kaidan because in my opinion her character has a better story after Virmire.
And Kaidan's death helps more people's than Ashley's does.
That said, I think the entire choice was stupid and forced for the sake of drama. I wish Bioware kept the hard to get save both option like they originally made.
I save Ashley over Kaidan because in my opinion her character has a better story after Virmire.
And Kaidan's death helps more people's than Ashley's does.
That said, I think the entire choice was stupid and forced for the sake of drama. I wish Bioware kept the hard to get save both option like they originally made.
Not me. Well, how hard is "hard?" It was way too easy to get everyone out of the "suicide mission." You're right that it was largely for the sake of drama, but I like that from a story heavy game. It wasn't forced BS. It established that this is a real conflict and soldiers die, just like Jenkins. Unfortunately, Jenkins died so early that he was a placeholder squademate for Ashley and you had no connection to him.
Not me. Well, how hard is "hard?" It was way too easy to get everyone out of the "suicide mission." You're right that it was largely for the sake of drama, but I like that from a story heavy game. It wasn't forced BS. It established that this is a real conflict and soldiers die, just like Jenkins. Unfortunately, Jenkins died so early that he was a placeholder squademate for Ashley and you had no connection to him.
I can't say how hard it is, but the recorded dialogue makes it sound like it was a challenge.
Biotic engineer with a high rank and experience versus a good soldier.
Hmm. Is this even a tough decision?
This is coming from a guy who favours women over men nearly every time.
I am heavily biased towards women.
However when it comes to making the tough calls, you just have to take your biases to one side and assess the situation objectively.
Kaidan trumps Ashley hands down.
I know where you're coming from, but a lot of people will take the "a marine is a marine" view. There is something to be said for both. My fiancee got mad at me the other day for saying women shouldn't be in front line combat roles. Despite the protests of the Marines, our civilian leadership is pushing that on our armed forces.
That is an interesting debate.
Personally I am of the opinion that if the woman meets the same physical and psychological requirements as men, then she is fit to serve.
I am against lowering of the standards (keep that bar high) and I don't think many women will be able to join. However the few that do should have the opportunity.
Sorry for the derail. If only these forums had an off topic. I know two off topic offshoots of The Bioware Forums exist, but come on Bioware. Really? Poor community management there.
Back onto debate.
A biotically capable soldier who is also an engineer as well as having a higher rank is way more valuable than a proficient soldier. There are loads of proficient soldiers like Ashley Williams. There are very few biotics in the entire human race. Especially humans with those dreaded L2 implants.
Biotic engineer with a high rank and experience versus a good soldier.
Hmm. Is this even a tough decision?
This is coming from a guy who favours women over men nearly every time.
I am heavily biased towards women.
However when it comes to making the tough calls, you just have to take your biases to one side and assess the situation objectively.
Kaidan trumps Ashley hands down.
That's a good point I didn't think of on my first playthrough but did later. One of the things that made me question if I wanted to try for Officer when the Army suggested it based on my background was when a former Army guy I knew told me I'd have to send somebody into danger based on him being disposable while another guy and myself were more essential for the mission. I would hate having to make that call.
Biotic engineer with a high rank and experience
He's a frigging staff Lt.
Assuming he's even a frigging GSO III(unlikely as he isn't assigned to the admiralty) He's not so highly ranked that the military is lesser for his loss.
I mean sure's he's Shepard's third direct successor in terms of chain of command but otherwise? Yeah no real impact on anything, also given his junior officership even a armchair like Pressly outranks him.
A biotically capable soldier who is also an engineer as well as having a higher rank is way more valuable than a proficient soldier.
Williams is special forces material and that to my eye is far more valuable then a Biotic Officer with moderate experience, even given their rarity because the Alliance has THOUSANDS of them in the military.
I can't say how hard it is, but the recorded dialogue makes it sound like it was a challenge.
https://www.youtube....h?v=zMSJDxM8YT4
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