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[betd2]

My reason was simple, I killed Kaiden because he sounded like Carth from kotor and I really hated Carth.

Every time Kaiden talked, all I could hear was "I can never trust you or anyone else ever again!"

[PsyrenY]

Saved: Kaiden.

Reason: Potential hook-up in ME3.

[LatinBoi1da]

I saved Ashley simply because Kaiden was such a boring character; but I thought about killing Ashley simply because ****es be crazy.

[syllogi]

Nahal The Reckless wrote...

Anyway, I always send Ashley with the Salarians and have Kaidan guard/setup the bomb.  I do this because they both seem well suited to the roles.  Ashley is a frontline fighter, capable of taking and dishing out a lot of damage, while the Salarians are (as Kirrahe says) "trained for espionage", so I think they could really use her help.  I recall Kirrahe also mentions (when asked about the it in an 'investigate' option I think) that the bomb's reliability depends on the person arming it and, of the two of them, Kaidan definitely has better technical skills than Ashley.

So that means Ashley is the one trapped in the AA tower, and Kaidan is the one guarding/arming the bomb when I have to decide who to go save near the end of the mission.  The trouble for me is that I've actually come up with serparate, in-game, arguments to go to both the AA tower and the bombsite.

The whole point of this mission is to smash Saren's Krogan breeding facility to atoms, so that he can't make his army that much bigger and deadlier.  That line of thought would favor heading back to the bombsite, to make absolutely certain that Saren's Geth can't disarm the bomb (or just move it somewhere it won't do as much/any good).  On the other hand, we can't get the hell out of there and warn (or at least try to warn) the Council that Sovereign is an actual reaper, or continue the fight against it ourselves, if the Normandy gets blown the hell up by that AA tower.  That line of thinking would favor going to the AA tower and making sure that the Geth don't regain control of it.  Decisions, decisions....

The bit I bolded is my ingame reasoning for always sending Kaidan to defend the bomb, and then returning to the site to save him, but honestly, he's my favorite romance, I always save him.  I loved Ashley, and if there's a good friendship path in ME3, I'll have to make a character who saves her so I can see that content, but at the moment, the logic my main character used was that the mission objective was to make sure the bomb went off, and that's why she went back.

The analysis quoted above is really the most objective in this thread, by the way, and the best I've read in any of these "who did you nuke on Virmire" threads.  How refreshing! 

[MrnDvlDg161]

The Salarian Captain asked for a leader and therefore I sent my officer to help out --- which happens to be ole' Lt Alenko.

I decided to support Ashley because the securing of the bomb was in jeopardy --- and I couldn't risk Saren winning that round. Lt. Alenko knew what he got himself into --- and above all -- he stepped up from the get go like a good officer. I respected him.

I heavily used Ashley in all of my away teams and after buffing up either Tali or Garrus ... thats who I had for my Tech people.

Whether or not what her beliefs were game wise... it never went into any detail and non of that should affect anyone's judgment --- While I am at it... I hope those who seriously do believe in " hating" somone for a religous aren't in charge of groups of individuals in any sort of dangerous work for I would hate to see your thought processes in considering who does what. Fine bunch to trust that's for sure!

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 25 septembre 2010 - 12:05 .

[Nahal The Reckless]

TeenZombie wrote...
The analysis quoted above is really the most objective in this thread, by the way, and the best I've read in any of these "who did you nuke on Virmire" threads.  How refreshing!

Thanks, I was trying to be as objective as possible when I broke the situation down.  The fact that ME1 makes me genuinely think about some of my decisions, like determining who dies on Virmire, is something I really like about the game.

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
The Salarian Captain asked for a leader and therefore I sent my officer to help out --- which happens to be ole' Lt Alenko.

Actually, Kirrahe just asks for someone to help coordinate the teams, and Shepard replys by saying that they (the Salarians) will 'need someone who knows Alliance communication protocols'.  There isn't any mention of Kirrahe needing someone to lead a team, though -IIRC- the person sent with the Salarians actually does lead one of the distraction teams.  At least, that's what I infered from listening to the radio chatter later on.

I assume though, that both Kaiden and Ashley have enough experience and/or training to do so effectively, if one of them didn't I think it would be brought up in-game by the other one when they argue over who should go with the Salarians.  This all leads me back to my previous line of thought, that Ashley's skillset compliments the Salarians better than Kaiden's does.

Modifié par Nahal The Reckless, 25 septembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[Saremei]

Out of all of my playthroughs Alenko has only survived Virmire once. Ashley was always much more useful to me in away teams with her firepower. Ashley was the more interesting love interest for my male shepards and in general, I found her to be one of the best/most believable characters from the first game. She has her own morals and beliefs and isn't the type to let others walk all over them.

[enayasoul]

Ashley was a love interest... I got the impression Kaiden wanted it that way. Besides Ashley still has a lot to accomplish with her military record. Kaiden whined to much. he he (yeah, carth reference seemed similar)

[Caihn]

Before ME2, I saved Kaidan when I played a Fshep, and I saved Ash when I played a Mshep (because of the romance).

Since ME2, I have decided to play a Mshep who romance only Miranda. So I save Kaidan, because I think he's a better squadmate than Ashley. 

[RPGmom28]

I usually save the person who is being dated by Shepard at the time. If Shep is dating Liara, it depends on what my class is. If I'm a biotic, I keep Ash, and if I'm a soldier I keep Kaidan. It's not a matter of who I like more, because I like them both a great deal.

[ajw]

When you look at it from a pure resource standpoint Kaidan is the better of the two to save. There are a number of reasons for this a) he's a very powerful biotic and biotics are rare in humans, powerful ones like Kaidan even more so and he's a highly decorated officer with a very good skills set.



While Ashley is a good soldier she is - and this may sound cruel but its not meant to be - easily replaceable - any Alliance marine is likely to have a similar if not identical skills set to her. Replacing someone with Kaidan's unique mix of talents and his biotic abilities would be far, far harder than replacing a run of the mill marine like Ashley.

[brfritos]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Stigandr Ogaefa wrote...
 Ashely is Xenophobic and Religious.

/grits teeth

I ought to make a macro for responding to this kind of nonsense.  But I'm too tired to bother now.

It's because the line between patriotism and prejudice is blurry sometimes and Bioware didn't do a good job distinguish them.

That's why people confuse Ashley as a "racist".

[Merlin 47]

ajw wrote...

When you look at it from a pure resource standpoint Kaidan is the better of the two to save. There are a number of reasons for this a) he's a very powerful biotic and biotics are rare in humans, powerful ones like Kaidan even more so and he's a highly decorated officer with a very good skills set.

While Ashley is a good soldier she is - and this may sound cruel but its not meant to be - easily replaceable - any Alliance marine is likely to have a similar if not identical skills set to her. Replacing someone with Kaidan's unique mix of talents and his biotic abilities would be far, far harder than replacing a run of the mill marine like Ashley.

For me, the reverse is true.  Kaiden was easily replaceable by Liara and Ash is a good soldier that speaks her mind and isn't afraid to do so.  She's reliable in combat and excellent marks in shooting.  As for Kaiden's skill set, I always had Garrus in my group, so Kaiden got outshined in that department.  I'd bring in Liara or even Wrex at times, both of whom had better biotics.

brfritos wrote...

It's because the line between patriotism and prejudice is blurry sometimes and Bioware didn't do a good job distinguish them.

That's why people confuse Ashley as a "racist".

Agreed.  This whole "racist/zealot" issue was not handled well enough to distinguish them.

[Quething]

I save Ashley because I trust a powerful biotic and skilled tech to arm and protect a very reliable nuke from an extremely short-term geth attack, and I don't trust a single rifleman, no matter how skilled, to abruptly grow wings and airlift two dozen salarians who might have valuable intel and whose survival will advance humanity's reputation with the Council. Honest reason, my Sheps are too duty-bound to let their relationships interfere with the mission, and even if I were the type to project my own desires onto my Shepard's roleplay (I'm not, that's the whole fun of roleplaying to begin with), I like both characters and neither are either useless or vital to my party makeup.



Well, that was the honest reason the first couple times, at least. I admit, I think part of why I save her now is just because I've sort of come to think of "Ashley lives, Kaidan dies" as canon just from playing that way so often and it feels a bit weird to save him instead. I'll still do it when it makes roleplaying sense (like if my Shep doesn't care about the salarians), but I'll put it this way: I need that conscious story reason to save Kaidan. I no longer quite need a reason to save Ash beyond "isn't that how Virmire goes?"

[Getorex]

Because she was hot and I wanted her. Beyond that, Kaiden and Ash were interchangeable, by and large, even given biotic on one hand and soldier on the other.  Hotness isn't interchangeable.

Bottom line: She wins because her butt was sweet, Kaiden's was hairy.

Modifié par Getorex, 27 septembre 2010 - 04:46 .

[Getorex]

brfritos wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Stigandr Ogaefa wrote...
 Ashely is Xenophobic and Religious.

/grits teeth

I ought to make a macro for responding to this kind of nonsense.  But I'm too tired to bother now.

It's because the line between patriotism and prejudice is blurry sometimes and Bioware didn't do a good job distinguish them.

That's why people confuse Ashley as a "racist".

Ashley's religious schtick was her sole turnoff attribute.

Modifié par Getorex, 27 septembre 2010 - 04:47 .

[ajw]

From a non resource standpoint I rarely save Ashley. Her attitude irritates me after awhile especially her borderline racism which she refuses to believe is racism. And the one time I did save her she moaned about me doing it - saying how I should have saved Kaidan and that she would have gladly died in his place.



Thus I always save Kaidan. Plus from a private standpoint my Shepard gets along more with Kaidan than he does Ashley - they have more in common and not just because there both biotics.

[True Zarken]

She's less annoying than Carth (Kaidan)

[Killjoy Cutter]

This decision sucks.

[ajw]

True Zarken wrote...

She's less annoying than Carth (Kaidan)

I don't find Kaidan annoying to be honest.  Ash is irritating but I like Kaidan.

Kaidan is very reserved but when you really think about it you can understand why he is so reserved.  Not only is he a biotic but he's seen what can happen, what his abilities are capable of doing when he looses his temper.  Remember he was seventeen when Commander Vernus pushed him to the point where he snapped and lashed out in anger with his biotics and in that one instant hit Vernus so hard with a throw that it not only threw Vernus away but snapped his neck instantly killing him.

Suddenly killing someone without really meaning to was bound to leave an impression on someone as young as Kaidan was when he killed Vernus.  That and the fact that his love who was defending rejected him afterwards - more or less calling him a monster - would explain why he's so reserved.

[Psearo]

I've got to admit, first playthrough I sacrificed Kaiden and saved Ash.
Pretty much every other playthrough though, Ash's xenophobic views annoy me far too much to let her survive Virmire. Seriously, I want a mod for ME that allows me to slap her across the face whenever she utters her anti-alien views, regardless of NPC idle chatter or not.

Don't mind her "god bothering", but the xenophobia needs a slap each time.

[Lady1Aph]

ive had 5 playthroughs so far and not once have i saved Kaiden. My reason is that i like a person that isent affraid to speak her/his mind not matter what rank u have. Also i think that Ash is the more beliveble character of the two of them. ive always thought when talking to Kaiden, that his character seemed kinda rushed, kinda felt like something was missing when talking to him.

[GifMike]

dawsdgd wrote...

Your honest reason for saving either ashley or Kaiden?

To have more girls to flirt with in game.