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[spthompson]

I've gone through ME1 multiple times and have saved both Ashley and Kaiden multiple times. I like both characters and it is always hard to chose between them. I hate having to make that choice! But, stepping back, I figure it is a choice a leader such as Shepard has to make once in a while. It always grieves me.

[Elfseeker]

Let's be real here, people....Shep is out to save the whole heebejeebin' galaxy. Who would do that if they were disinclined to care about someone because of what they thought in the privacy of their own heads? Now if she'd spouted religious dogma at you every time you spoke to her, that'd be something. But as I recall she mentions in once in-game, which lets me think she's not so much a 'religious fanatic' as 'one who thinks life has meaning'.

Probably in for a rude awakening with regards to what that meaning might be, but there you are.



As for the differing ranks of Ash and Kai....you know how you rise in the ranks, don't you? do as your told and keep your yap shut. I don't need that kind.

Also, Ashley has the 'williams' thing, and her religion probably hasn't helped her much either, considering ME-humans are as human as any of us today. Ash is outspoken and spirited, Kaidan seems more 'don't rock the boat'. While of differing attitudes(I think), he'd probably get along well with Jacob. As in, sitting/standing around not saying a word and hardly looking at each other.



My sheps might romance her, or they might not. But in either case they want someone at their side that will speak up then and there, and not have to hunt them down days later for a report.

Running a femshep that will -probably- try to romance the guy, but he's just so....meh!

[Aedan_Cousland]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I save Kaidan, because I think Ashley Williams has a pretty good story arc if she dies on Virmire. She gets to redeem her family name, and posthumously earns medals from - well - every race out there practically, according to the news in ME2. I highly doubt any future Williamses would have any problem advancing in the Systems Alliance military. It seems - for a character that loves poetry - a poetic way to die. Especially if she went down fighting alongside Salarians - so I usually send her with them.
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I kind of agree though Kaidan died with the nuke on my canon playthrough.

One thing I think Bioware should have did is have the sex scene with your LI occur before Virmire rather than Ilos. In one of the conversations you have with Ashley  if you are romancing her she talks about the danger of fraternization, namely that you may be faced with the difficult choice between the mission and saving the person you love. If your romance with Ashley culminated before Virmire that conversation could have been a foreshadowing of the tragedy that was about to unfold. Sure, some players would metagame knowing that they'd have to leave someone behind and always save their LI, but from a story perspective it would have been much better if Shepard was in a relationship with Ashley, and he couldn't save her on Virmire. It would also make the fight against Saren and the Reapers all that much more personal.

Anyway getting back to the question posed by the OP, on my canon playthrough Kaidan died because I left him with the nuke. He's got greater technical skills than Ashley so I thought he was better suited to arm and babysit the bomb. I decided to try and rescue Ashley because I thought with Kaiden's biotics he's better able to keep the Geth at bay longer, and if worse comes to worse he can still detonate the nuke.

On a side note we need another Virmire-like choice in ME3! I hope it won't be possible to get your entire squad through unscathed, and that we'll be faced with tough decisions like the one we were faced with on Virmire.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 14 octobre 2010 - 09:26 .

[Reikilea]

I always save Kaidan. And its not because he may be your romance option (and usually only girls save him), but it just seems logical to me. He is higher ranking officer, more skilled soldier, has experience, is biotic and also technician. For me its logical and pragmatic choise. Something you would do in reality. Comparing to him Ashley is just average soldier and also girl who wants to be a hero (thanks to her family past). So why not give it to her.

Guess I will never understant why people woud save Ashley (if they are not romancing her). So its Kaidan all the time. If there was other choice - like between Kaidan and Liara, or perhaps Garrus that would be hard for me.

[008Zulu]

I save Ash every single time because I dont like Kaiden.

[catofnine]

I don't romance Ash but I always save her because Carth Onassi 2 electricbugaloo grates on my nerves. Also, she's an awesome tank for my groups since I don't bother with the soldier class.

I could see people sacrificing her to allow her to "redeem" her family name, but I don't view it as a burden she must bear and/or be responsible to clear. In my playthroughs any sort of redeeming, if we want to put it that way, was done through her putting herself on the line for my Shepards time and time again. Like or hate her ideals etc, she was someone who stubbornly made the best of the cards she was dealt and never flinched from what was required of her.

Perhaps I don't sac her because between Ash and Kaiden, Ash is the more fleshed out character. Kaiden is earnest, but I find him very lacking in the will department. The line that always speaks to me concerning the two was the conversation with Ashley (post Virmire?) where Shepard tells Ashley something to the effect of "when I want an opinion from the mind I go to Alenko, when I want one from the heart I go to you." While "brains" are good, in a tough fight with impossible odds (ala main quest in the game) I'd rather have "heart and courage" backing me up. And in a meta gamey kind of way, I'd rather see that "heart and courage" survive with Ashley over "brains" every time.

Modifié par catofnine, 17 octobre 2010 - 02:43 .

[hamtyl07]

my simple awnser is i find racist women to be pretty funny

[tehmalachi]

kaiden....not only because he was so utterly bland that a racist alien hating human should live over him, but the fact i FINALLY got to kill off carth onasi, or at least....a character with his voice actor, still feels like a win.

aside from that, regardless of the poetic reasons people give to kill ashley, the story doesnt feel any different when kaiden dies lets be honest....he fades into the background, and his entire backstory you get while talking to him could have been SOO much more, they could have gone more in depth and even had a side quest to help out his old flame from the biotic school, yet...they mention her and just SUDDENLY forget about her, his story just felt.....pointless to be told

Modifié par tehmalachi, 17 octobre 2010 - 03:13 .

[PrinceLionheart]

tehmalachi wrote...

kaiden....not only because he was so utterly bland that a racist alien hating human should live over him

Ashley doesn't hate aliens though. 

[ninsegtari]

First time I played, Kaiden went with the salarians and Ashley armed the nuke. When the decision came I chose Kaiden, because I wanted to save the salarians too. Later I found out it doesn't matter who you chose, the salarians always make it to the Normandy.

[Ryzaki]

ninsegtari wrote...

First time I played, Kaiden went with the salarians and Ashley armed the nuke. When the decision came I chose Kaiden, because I wanted to save the salarians too. Later I found out it doesn't matter who you chose, the salarians always make it to the Normandy.

Which...really doesn't make much sense when you think about. What they just left Ash there by herself to die? 

[Onyx Jaguar]

dawsdgd wrote...

Your honest reason for saving either ashley or Kaiden?

I am leaning to the main reason why I always save Ashley is probably because she is... Younger than Kaidan

yeah, it is a horrible reason but I can't really think of why I do what I do

[RyuAzai]

To be honest on all my first play throughs I always saved Ashley, purely because she was the only love interest I was interested in.



But now with ME2, that kinda changes things. I would rather have Kaiden be alive in my universe then Ashley.



Fixes the whole romancing another deal, and also I like how Kaiden views life in a open way. Plus he is a biotic.

[Nahal The Reckless]

Ryzaki wrote...

ninsegtari wrote...

First time I played, Kaiden went with the salarians and Ashley armed the nuke. When the decision came I chose Kaiden, because I wanted to save the salarians too. Later I found out it doesn't matter who you chose, the salarians always make it to the Normandy.

Which...really doesn't make much sense when you think about. What they just left Ash there by herself to die? 

She wasn't 'left there by herself to die', as you put it.  She was with a team of salarians, the rest of them just died before you could save them.

You see, some of the salarians always survive Virmire, but not the ones that are at that AA tower.  It doesn't seem to matter if you go there or not, the only person I ever have seen still standing after Shep kills the initial geth at the AA tower is Kaiden/Ashley.  When you initially enter the area, you can see some salarians fighting the geth, but they always seem to die unfortunately.  I think it's due to a combination of not having a lot of health, and that they're positioned near several large fuel tanks, but it might also just be that they're killed automatically as part the game.  Anyway, the only person you can save at the AA tower is whoever you sent with the salarians.

The nameless salarians on the Normandy are presumably from one, or both, of the other two distraction teams that the salarians split into at the beginning of the attack on Saren's base.  They apparently were able to get picked up before the last evacuation of Shepard's team from the bomb site/AA tower, and the Normandy's subsequent escape.  I recall that Comander Rentola (not sure if I got the name right, he's the one salarian who can sell you some stuff.) also always survives.

Kirrahe is a bit of a special case, as the only factor that determines if he lives or dies is if the player/Shepard completes the 'Virmire: Assisting Kirrahe's Team' side quest.  It doesn't matter if you go to the AA tower or the bomb site, as the team at the AA tower doesn't have Kirrahe with them.  Presumably the Normandy picks up Kirrahe, along with the other Salarian survivors that you find in the cargo hold, at some point before Shepard is picked up at the end of the mission.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Modifié par Nahal The Reckless, 18 octobre 2010 - 09:59 .

[The Asorlins strike]

Flipped a coin. Ash lived.

[BeLana]

I save Ash everytime...because Kai is just a big bowl of vanilla ice cream and I can't find the choco syrup anywhere in the story.

[RGFrog]

Saved Ash because Kaiden whined too much.

[gamestress]

Saved her because I had already saved Kaidan on my femshep, so I let my male shep save Ash. (Although he found her annoying too.) My poor male shep just went without, didn't like any of the ME1 romance options.

[LRWade]

Usually I save Ash.

She's a better developed character.

She's a more useful combatant.

She's hot.

You can avoid the romance issues for a femShep.











I hate Kaidan.

[Batlass8]

I always agonize over this decision. I like both Ashley and Kaidan, they're interesting characters with very different histories and perspectives. I usually leave Kaidan behind though, because Ashley is above and beyond my favorite ME character, and, as someone mentioned before, I can't leave someone with three little sisters to die (I'm also the oldest of four, so my impulse for self-preservation may have something to do with my decision).



In a perfect world, I'd be able to leave whoever I wanted behind on Virmire...so long all y'all who think Ash is racist!

[Marbazoid]

I romanced ash up until the choice between her and liara. Even though I chose liara over ash, it was still a painful choice for my shep to leave her on virmire. It gave the story some added emotional punch and gives you another reason take down saren.



I'm convinced though, due to her families history, that ash would have wanted to die on virmire, unless ordered otherwise.

[Ryzaki]

Nahal The Reckless wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ninsegtari wrote...

First time I played, Kaiden went with the salarians and Ashley armed the nuke. When the decision came I chose Kaiden, because I wanted to save the salarians too. Later I found out it doesn't matter who you chose, the salarians always make it to the Normandy.

Which...really doesn't make much sense when you think about. What they just left Ash there by herself to die? 

She wasn't 'left there by herself to die', as you put it.  She was with a team of salarians, the rest of them just died before you could save them.

You see, some of the salarians always survive Virmire, but not the ones that are at that AA tower.  It doesn't seem to matter if you go there or not, the only person I ever have seen still standing after Shep kills the initial geth at the AA tower is Kaiden/Ashley.  When you initially enter the area, you can see some salarians fighting the geth, but they always seem to die unfortunately.  I think it's due to a combination of not having a lot of health, and that they're positioned near several large fuel tanks, but it might also just be that they're killed automatically as part the game.  Anyway, the only person you can save at the AA tower is whoever you sent with the salarians.

The nameless salarians on the Normandy are presumably from one, or both, of the other two distraction teams that the salarians split into at the beginning of the attack on Saren's base.  They apparently were able to get picked up before the last evacuation of Shepard's team from the bomb site/AA tower, and the Normandy's subsequent escape.  I recall that Comander Rentola (not sure if I got the name right, he's the one salarian who can sell you some stuff.) also always survives.

Kirrahe is a bit of a special case, as the only factor that determines if he lives or dies is if the player/Shepard completes the 'Virmire: Assisting Kirrahe's Team' side quest.  It doesn't matter if you go to the AA tower or the bomb site, as the team at the AA tower doesn't have Kirrahe with them.  Presumably the Normandy picks up Kirrahe, along with the other Salarian survivors that you find in the cargo hold, at some point before Shepard is picked up at the end of the mission.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Oh Okay...I always htought that was a bit odd. so she's with a bunch of no name salarians? That really sucks. The choice would've had more weight if they* were with whoever you left at the AA tower. 

*They being Captain Kirrahe and the other salarians on his squad. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 octobre 2010 - 05:16 .