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[Direbrute]

Rasix Tinypants wrote...

To the person that mentioned burning a backup copy as illegal -

It is legal to make a backup copy of any piece of software provided that you own the original and maintain a proof of purchase. At least that's always what I've read.

Yeah, that figures I guess. Maybe I'm thinking of the RIAA which goes into convulsions if someone copies a music CD.

And I haven't used Steam since CS2. Back then it was a monumental pain in the ass. HUGE pain. Took forever to check for updates, then validate your game, not to mention it had to run in the background 24/7. Has it gotten much better since then?

And I probably would have used D2D, but there were rumors that some user-created mods might not jive with it - probably totally untrue, but I didn't want to risk it. It wasn't a huge inconvenience to pick it up from the store.

[Xzenorath]

Mrbluray wrote...

No.

Learn not to be a criminal. 

You can not legally own any piece of software.  You only own the right to use the software.

Actually, it's legal to create back ups of your games and you're ignorant if you believe otherwise. You're not allowed to share it, sell it or give it away however.

[RomanLegacy]

Yeah I agree. Especially with my disc drive, which I don't trust for the life of me, if your disc gets scratched, your flat out of luck. Its stupid that we have to put up with this crap.



Also, congratulations on all you cool kids for reading the word "disc check" and then promptly ignoring the rest of his points.

[avenger_teambg]

social_networking_ftl wrote...

Mail them the proof of purchase cut from the Collector's Edition box, copies of your last tax return, DNA and thumbprint samples, and a letter of recommendation from your high school gym teacher and they will disable the disc check.

No, but once the disc is damaged you can say byebye to DA.
I hope there will be a mountable mini image soon.
The network check should be good enough.

[Myros]

The main thing I have is that my DVD player has problems with the disc, I have to eject/close the tray about 10+ times before the disc is recognised. Goin by posts here and in other forums this has been a common complaint.



So yes, removing the disc check would be great

As it is now I have to pretty much rely on 'illegal' cracks just to play the game I purchased, funny that.

[Starblade]

I agree it would be nice to not need to put the disc in. Its not a huge deal for me personally with DA because that is the only game I am playing for the foreseeable future and i am having no problems with the disc being read. Other games are not always as agreeable with my DVD drive however, so I'm a fan of disc checks being removed sometime after launch.



When I was messing around with the EA download manager it looked like it is possible to download a digital version if you lose your discs. You could try registering your game on there ('Cause I am sure you are looking for another excuse to enter your game code again) and then downloading it instead of playing off of the disc. No idea if it will work, but if it bothers you this much it might be worth a shot.

[SheffSteel]

Xzenorath wrote...

Actual game owners are getting shafted while pirates get to play without having to pay AND without having to use a physical disk.I'm not gonna lie, disk checks are so 1998. Get with the program Bioware. It never worked and never will, it's an annoyance at best. Everyone has access to torrents of cracked versions and you can easily obtain a no-cd .exe everywhere on the internet. It's really just a hindrance to people who actually paid for a physical copy of your game.

So why do you think game developers and publishers continue to spend money on copy protection?
Do they hate their legitimate customers?
Do they not have your understanding of the game industry?
Is it possible that there's another reason I haven't thought of?
Is it possible that there's another reason you haven't thought of?

[phordicus]

SheffSteel wrote...

So why do you think game developers and publishers continue to spend money on copy protection?
Do they hate their legitimate customers?
Do they not have your understanding of the game industry?
Is it possible that there's another reason I haven't thought of?
Is it possible that there's another reason you haven't thought of?

the developers have nothing to do with it.  they've already been paid for their part.  the distributors/publishers want their cut of the pie, too.  stop acting like the business is so overwhelmingly complex that no one outside of it could understand it.  well, maybe you couldn't considering your first question assumes that every decision a business makes is a good one.

[Xzenorath]

SheffSteel wrote...

Xzenorath wrote...

Actual game owners are getting shafted while pirates get to play without having to pay AND without having to use a physical disk.I'm not gonna lie, disk checks are so 1998. Get with the program Bioware. It never worked and never will, it's an annoyance at best. Everyone has access to torrents of cracked versions and you can easily obtain a no-cd .exe everywhere on the internet. It's really just a hindrance to people who actually paid for a physical copy of your game.

So why do you think game developers and publishers continue to spend money on copy protection?
Do they hate their legitimate customers?
Do they not have your understanding of the game industry?
Is it possible that there's another reason I haven't thought of?
Is it possible that there's another reason you haven't thought of?

I have no problems with them trying. Cd-Keys, online registrations, punk busters and others.

However, Cd checks are useless, it takes about a day for people to release no-cd fixed .exe's. It's a waste of time and a hindrance to people who bought physical copies of the game. Plain and simple. Force an online login from an account tied to a CD-Key for every game released and you will never ever encounter piracy again. This is why MMOs aren't struggling with piracy. But then, you'll lose customers who don't have an online connection (lol?).

It's a business decision companies have to take. Lose profit but prevent piracy... or just put a silly CD-Check and run along with the usual profits and piracy.

[Avispex]

Digital owners of Dragon Age don't need a disc check.

World of Warcraft does not require a disc check.

Spore - No disc check.

The Witcher, once patched and regstered, no disc check.

Even Mass Effect for the PC, I think- may be wrong- no disc check.

My point is not that disc checks create an impossible burden. They don't. But I have scretched discs and needed replacements before and that is a pretty big inconvenience.

Also, I use my computer for other things and it is the back and forth, moving discs around, needing to keep this at the top of the pile, etc that would be unnecessary.

Additionally, no other game I have ever played has required as much registration, security codes, online login, personal information as I have already gone through for this game. If that is not adequate protection against my piracy at this point, can we really argue that the disc check provides effective security at all?

If I had not registered and were not logged in, then I could see the point, but considering the digital releases have some way of authenticating the validity of the install, just give me that option for the software I have already purchased, installed, and registered extensively. Please.

Modifié par Avispex, 11 novembre 2009 - 05:12 .

[Rothgar49]

I just got the DDE version, no disk ever need

[Dragoro21]

Cant you register your game on steam even if ya didnt buy it on steam?

[DarthKaldriss]

Direbrute wrote...

I agree - it's annoying, but not all that frustrating. Fortunately I don't swap discs that often so my DA:O DVD just stays in there undisturbed.

EDIT: Any make a backup copy of your game DVD. Might not be legal or whatever, but if there's a disk check then I'm not going to risk it. Sorry, but I bought the game legit so I'll make a backup copy for myself.

                              I believe it  is legal at least in the UK to make backup copys of any purchased software for YOUR OWN PERSONAL USE. 

[DarthKaldriss]

Just remembered something else most software companys will replace free of charge damaged discs. I suppose you'd need proof pf purchase but maybe not. 

[Landozelig]

Is it really THAT hard to put a disc in? I'm just glad they didn't use that Sony rootkit DRM crap as that would have prevented me from buying it.



As far as digital distribution of games like Steam, I just don't get it. If that company goes out of business or sold, you could go from "owning" 25 games to nothing. I could maybe see the benefit of it if the game were cheaper, but you people that bought the digital copy paid the same $65 I paid for my physical one, and you have nothing in hand to show for it.



I also don't buy online digital music, I buy the CD's then make my own flac/mp3/aac at the bitrate I want, and will always have the CD as a backup to do it again should something happen to my collection or I want to up the bitrate.

[Direbrute]

Anyone who thinks a disk check stops pirating is insane. If you really want a full, working copy of a title it's not difficult to get. This has been the case for many years.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Lmao, disc checks now fall under "How legitimate users are getting shafted by DRM?"



How ****ing hard is it to put in a disc? Should console gamers be up in arms because they have to get off their fat asses to change games?



If you're really upset about the disc check then I suggest making an .iso of your game disc and mounting it with a program like Daemon tools. Such a process is 100% legal as long as you're actually backing up the game. Hell you could probably find a "mini-image" which is just a stripped .iso of the game that only includes the stuff necessary for the cd check.

[Direbrute]

DarthKaldriss wrote...

Just remembered something else most software companys will replace free of charge damaged discs. I suppose you'd need proof pf purchase but maybe not. 

Yeah lol. I'm sure EA customer service is very prompt about stuff like that.

[Aldandil]

I can sympathize with the OP. I believe, however, that this disc check is BioWare's gesture of friendliness as a reply to the big ruckus that came of the DRM on Mass Effect. This clearly shows that you can't please everybody.

[Avispex]

I recognize the advantage of digital versions. I did not know, prior to my purchase that I would not be eligible for the same convenience that the digital buyers would have. Again, for the illiterati in the crowd, I am not saying it is so hard to change a disc.



I am saying that if you needed to change discs for every software that you used it would seem to be inconvenient.



I am saying that there is no reason why owners of the physical discs should be required to keep them in use all the time considering that many of us use our computers for other things and would like to keep the discs safe and to enjoy the ease and convenience of simply logging on using the in game login/ authentication scheme already in place. The disc check is redundant and unnecessary.

[Bane]

I learned long ago to have two optical drives in every computer I build for myself. The game disc occupies one and the other is free for other things.



If I was able to choose the form of DRM a game would use I'd pick disc check every time over any of the other options. Even so, I'd still prefer nothing at all.

[elgato2067]

Aldandil wrote...

I can sympathize with the OP. I believe, however, that this disc check is BioWare's gesture of friendliness as a reply to the big ruckus that came of the DRM on Mass Effect. This clearly shows that you can't please everybody.

I agree.  Everyone should just be pleased that this game does not load DRM software on their machines. 

[EricHVela]

I gave two drives. It's not a big deal. Then again, I've never had an issue with swapping disks back when I had one drive.

There's really no argument if you're not having technical issues with the DRM. Using the software is a privilege and not a "right". You agree to their terms to use it (which, in summary, is the purchase, reverse-engineering ban, distribution restriction and the DRM).



Buying it in physical form doesn't mean you paid for the "right" to bypass the DRM. Paying for a privilege doesn't mean you can do whatever you want to do with it. Paying the fees on your driver's license doesn't mean you can drive all over the road while stoned out of your mind. You still have to abide by the other stipulations that go with it.

[Cthy]

this topic is silly... silly dumb

[RyodorRilaith]

Buy off of Steam, problem solved