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[Rayhaana]

if there is disk check on ME2 im pirating, sorry

[Direbrute]

I can find roughly 75,000 sillier and dumber threads on this forum.

[mgillen2003]

People say buy from steam, but the crux of the issue is that you're actually being offered a choice in DRM. Physical copies will have disc-checks, digital download versions will have on-line activations (if you're lucky, only once at install time).



I chose to buy off of Impulse since I too despise disc-checks. The somewhat annoying thing is that I don't get anything tangible (unless I burn an Impulse-archive onto a DVD and make my own label). But given that manuals these days are so freaking useless (NWN and NWN2 manuals were more wrong than right) makes that decision a little easier for me.

[Siven80]

They should have had the same DVD instalation options as Football manager 2010 has (and last years too) of normal install and needing the disc in , or install and activate through steam (so we dont need the disc in) for those who like steam but also like physically having the dvd and package of the game available.

[Haexpane]

 Console versions require the disk... welcome to being gimped!

[RussJE]

Mrbluray wrote...

[No.

Learn not to be a criminal. 

You can not legally own any piece of software.  You only own the right to use the software.

This is inaccurate.  I own quite a bit of software as does the company I work for.

[battleship potemkin village]

Avispex wrote...

Digital owners of Dragon Age don't need a disc check.

World of Warcraft does not require a disc check.

Spore - No disc check.

The Witcher, once patched and regstered, no disc check.

Even Mass Effect for the PC, I think- may be wrong- no disc check.

My point is not that disc checks create an impossible burden. They don't. But I have scretched discs and needed replacements before and that is a pretty big inconvenience.

Also, I use my computer for other things and it is the back and forth, moving discs around, needing to keep this at the top of the pile, etc that would be unnecessary.

Additionally, no other game I have ever played has required as much registration, security codes, online login, personal information as I have already gone through for this game. If that is not adequate protection against my piracy at this point, can we really argue that the disc check provides effective security at all?

If I had not registered and were not logged in, then I could see the point, but considering the digital releases have some way of authenticating the validity of the install, just give me that option for the software I have already purchased, installed, and registered extensively. Please.

Mass Effect and Spore both use SecuROM.  Neither one is coming anywhere near my computer.  Disc checking I can live with, but SecuROM is an abomination that needs to be destroyed without mercy.

While a scratched disc is an inconvenience, it's not an SOL situation (as some other posters have claimed).  Bioware (and others) will replace a damaged disc.

[Monthigos]

You can use the EA Download Manager to download the whole game with your serial...its a digital version that doesn't require a disc. Its also useful if you lost or damaged your discs.

[RyodorRilaith]

I dislike having to swap CDs, so Steam is my friend.

[f14dude]

To the OP.  Not sure if you played Mass Effect or not... but I rather have disc check than the 3 installation/activation limitation impose by some of these online check DRM.  Yes, with that DRM, there is no disc check, but if you install that game on more than 3 times, you can't install again or have to send email to 'beg' for more installation.  If you replaced your motherboard/cpu, bam, another activation.  If you have problem with your OS and need to reinstall the OS and forgot to uninstall the game, bam, another activation... With that in mind, I rather take disc check any day of the year.

Just my opinion. 

[Anduin335]

If you add the game to steam(Add non steam game) do you need the disk check?

[Xzenorath]

Landozelig wrote...

Is it really THAT hard to put a disc in? I'm just glad they didn't use that Sony rootkit DRM crap as that would have prevented me from buying it.

As far as digital distribution of games like Steam, I just don't get it. If that company goes out of business or sold, you could go from "owning" 25 games to nothing. I could maybe see the benefit of it if the game were cheaper, but you people that bought the digital copy paid the same $65 I paid for my physical one, and you have nothing in hand to show for it.

I also don't buy online digital music, I buy the CD's then make my own flac/mp3/aac at the bitrate I want, and will always have the CD as a backup to do it again should something happen to my collection or I want to up the bitrate.

It's not difficult. It's not hard.

It's just unnecessary.
It's useless.
It doesn't achieve anything protection-wise.
It's not the next best thing since sliced bread as far as piracy prevention goes.

It's merely an annoyance. It's a hindrance digital copy users do not have to deal with and frankly, nobody should. It's installed. It's registered. It's linked to your account. It goes online for your account information.

I mean seriously, what's the point? There simply isn't any worthy reasons to justify having to put in a DVD and keep it in there while we play.

[LethalBlade]

Simple solution, buy your games from Steam. There's no reason nowadays to go to a store and buy a box for a PC game. Welcome to the 21st century.

[Avispex]

Haexpane wrote...

 Console versions require the disk... welcome to being gimped!

I agree, however, My PC is not simply a gaming console.  I also need to use it for work.  My kids use it, etc. 

If it were a dedicated gaming machine exclusively for playing Dragon Age, then I really wouldn't care.  However, this is unrealistic.  All I am asking for is the same convenience already in place for the PC users who did not go to the store THREE TIMES to get their game.  If I had known, maybe I would have gotten the digital download.

In any case, I think I would play Dragon Age more if there was no disc check over the years.  I have piles of games, discs, manuals, boxes, etc in my basement.  But when I have some spare time, which do you think I am more likely to fire up and dive into:  a game that just starts, or a game that I need to go find the proper disc for first?

In 1998 I understood.  But, in 2009, can't my log in and all the crap I have already gone through just let me play from the install?  What is the actual purpose of the disc check aside from making users swap discs in and out for as long as they want to be playing this 80 hour game?

[Xzenorath]

LethalBlade wrote...

Simple solution, buy your games from Steam. There's no reason nowadays to go to a store and buy a box for a PC game. Welcome to the 21st century.

You mean the Steam that updates twice a day every day all year 'round? I'll stick to my hard copies and keep on downloading fixed .exe's. Thanks for the advice though, with more of you coming around, perhaps Bioware will keep on slapping useless CD-Checks on their games for no reason other than... you guessed it; there isn't one.

[LethalBlade]

Rayhaana wrote...

if there is disk check on ME2 im pirating, sorry

You might want to keep this to yourself, you toolbox thief.

Scumbags like you are helping to destroy our hobby.

Modifié par LethalBlade, 11 novembre 2009 - 06:52 .

[marshalleck]

Disc check is fine, stop whining

[Xzenorath]

ReggarBlane wrote...

I gave two drives. It's not a big deal. Then again, I've never had an issue with swapping disks back when I had one drive.
There's really no argument if you're not having technical issues with the DRM. Using the software is a privilege and not a "right". You agree to their terms to use it (which, in summary, is the purchase, reverse-engineering ban, distribution restriction and the DRM).

Buying it in physical form doesn't mean you paid for the "right" to bypass the DRM. Paying for a privilege doesn't mean you can do whatever you want to do with it. Paying the fees on your driver's license doesn't mean you can drive all over the road while stoned out of your mind. You still have to abide by the other stipulations that go with it.

Why is there a CD-Check again? What's the purpose of a CD-Check? Why aren't we simply asked to go online, register and link the CD-Key to an account and simply go through this to play the game? 100% piracy proof, no more annoying CD-Checks everytime we want to play a game.

More or less, Steam, without having to put up with the garbage that is Steam.

[GravityParade]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Lmao, disc checks now fall under "How legitimate users are getting shafted by DRM?"

How ****ing hard is it to put in a disc? Should console gamers be up in arms because they have to get off their fat asses to change games?

If you're really upset about the disc check then I suggest making an .iso of your game disc and mounting it with a program like Daemon tools. Such a process is 100% legal as long as you're actually backing up the game. Hell you could probably find a "mini-image" which is just a stripped .iso of the game that only includes the stuff necessary for the cd check.

Xbox players can share disks. They don't have an explicit license to run their game. Any number of people can use the same disc to play any on any number of gamer ID's. PC licenses get registered and locked to one EA account.  I think we're talking about apples and oranges here. There should not be a disk check if the PC licensee  logs into their EA account. If the PC gamer is offline or doesn't log in, then there should be a disc check.

[wonko33]

It would be nice if the disk check stopped once you register the game or something. I know pirates could replicate that and play, but they had cracked the game from day one anyway.



It's not being lazy about taking the disk in and out, it's mostly that it multiplies the risks of scratching/breaking/losing it every time I need to use my drive for something else. It also slows down computer operations to have s disk in there because windows explorer is always checking what it is.



At least it's not like Diablo 2 where the game was constantly spinning up the drive to see if the disk was still there, long hours of playing totally reduced the lifespan of that drive.



As for digital distro, I like to buy Valve games from Steam but games from other studios often have patch and authentification issues.

[Avispex]

Monthigos wrote...

You can use the EA Download Manager to download the whole game with your serial...its a digital version that doesn't require a disc. Its also useful if you lost or damaged your discs.

If this is true, then I am thrilled.  It seems a kind of backwards way to go about it, but this will accomplish exactly what I was hoping for.  Thanks man!

I'm at work now and I don't have any of the stuff I need to try this out, but is the EA download manager part of the normal install or something you download separately?  I have already downloaded a ton of the DLC in game, but I assume you are referring to some kind of different downloader than the one at the game's login screen for DLC?

If I didn't have to run tests here all afternoon I would run home to get the download started!

Thanks again.  Goodbye disc check!

[battleship potemkin village]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

@battleshippotemkinvillage:

Isn't the warranty 90 days?  Or will they replace it for as long as they exist?

Don't know what Bioware's/EA's policy is in this matter, but I have returned scratched discs in the past and gotten a replacement for a small S&H fee.  If you yell loud enough I'm sure Bioware/EA will do the same.

[Reikon]

lawsie100 wrote...

its actually why i buy my games from steam now. There IS an alternative you know?

If they bought the games from Steam , then they would not be able to give it to theirs friends to play for free. which is the true intent, either that or they are so lazy they cannot insert a DVD which I doubt since they got off their arse and posted which required actual finger movements.

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I cannot believe the game requires a mouse or game pad, make it work with out one...also make it so I do not have to see it, then I can save on a monitor too. Thats more then $50 USD.
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