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[Haexpane]

Guys the obvious answer as to why is there a disc check... EA does not want you to sell the game used...

[Nosuchluck]

This thread is a bloody joke. People are whining about discs now? Any excuse to ****.

[Phbbt107]

What's so bad about ocmplainging about a disc check? What if I'm always moving around, but I want to play Dragon Age. Can you expect me to carry a bunch of game dvds around with me, just so I can play the game I want? And god forbid I need to use the DVD drive on my laptop for something other than Dragon Age when I'm not at home.



It's true that DVD checks are not a huge issue. They are however, a consistent annoyance that serves no real purpose since:

1) Pirates aren't going to be bothered by it.

2) I already have to log in to use my DLC



If a log in and internet connection is good enough for steam, why can't it be good enough for EA?

[Duckduden]

If you simply dwindle into the "darker" sides of the net you will find a little fix for the insert cd problem.

[bzombo]

stephen6119 wrote...

wow i feel soooo sorry for you....what a difficult life....I don't know how you've survived this long...

i can understand his complaint. what if the disc gets damaged, but your installation is ok? no more playing. i think enough checks are in place with this game as it is.

[Nosuchluck]

How about treating his property with care? I have hundreds of games, some over 10 years old and yet I can still use the CD because I've not smeared them with jam or scratched them. If your disc gets damaged beyond working then it's your own fault. Can't people live with the consequences of their actions anymore? "Ohnoes I dropped my disc out of the window and stepped on it, Bioware it's all your fault!"

[Alienraptor]

I have yet to see a shred of evidence that any anti-piracy measure has ever decreased "piracy." In the absence of such data, I maintain that all digital rights management (DRM) is utterly useless and counter-productive.

I am not aware of any DRM software that has not been circumvented. This alone is a sign that these methods are ineffective. Moreover, consider the mindset of someone who downloads the game off of a torrent or Usenet. Such a person is probably one of two kinds: "pirate/purchase" or "pirate/skip it." The former would weigh the relative benefits of purchasing and "pirating;" putting unreasonable burdens on legitimate purchasers of the software tilts the calculus considerably toward "pirating." The latter is not a potential customer in any case, so no amount of DRM software can gain their patronage; it is not a "lost sale" at all.

It serves only to alienate and punish legitimate customers, while those who acquire the game illicitly can play without any of the hassles or restrictions facing the former. I know there is an intuition that it is unjust for the unscrupulous to be able to get software for free, but it is profoundly illogical to think that this is somehow rectified by aggravating the disparity through restrictive DRM software that only impacts legitimate customers.

[JamesX]

Friend came over on the weekend to play Dragon Age.

He thought I had Dragon Age DVD, so he didn't bring his. But I have steam while he has retail. So instead of driving back to his house to get it, he got the no-cd off internet.

CD Validation does not stop pirating. At least it doesn't on a significant level. Activation is a far better way to handle it. All CD Validation does is get in the way of playing the game. I am glad I have Steam to avoid this whole problem.

I don't even mind if Bioware/EA locked out the ability to start new games unless you are logged into EA account.

[Ravenshrike]

Mrbluray wrote...

Rasix Tinypants wrote...

To the person that mentioned burning a backup copy as illegal -

It is legal to make a backup copy of any piece of software provided that you own the original and maintain a proof of purchase. At least that's always what I've read.

No.

Learn not to be a criminal. 

You can not legally own any piece of software.  You only own the right to use the software.

Unless there is a physical contract signed for said software EULAs are a relatively untested legal form(in the US at least). Given that games especially are sold under the First Sale doctrine and there is not an actual contract printed on the box(The squirrely bit of legalese you find saying that by buying the software you agree to abide by the EULA inside is rather laughable), it would almost certainly fall through in any major court test that got beyond the circuit courts.

[Avispex]

Reikon wrote...


If they bought the games from Steam , then they would not be able to give it to theirs friends to play for free. which is the true intent, either that or they are so lazy they cannot insert a DVD which I doubt since they got off their arse and posted which required actual finger movements.

If this indicates the level of intelligence and comprehension that developers have to take into account, the future of gaming looks very bleak.  If you have a steam account, you can just give your login name and password to anybody on the planet, which is exactly the same thing as what you claim I am trying to do.  But, since you missed the point of the OP, there is no sense in explaining to you that you are very wrong here.  Good luck to you, true intent airballer.

[Naturalus]

I bought my copy from direct2drive no need for DISC. Problem solved. In case I lose installation files direct2drive let me redownload them and hold all serial numbers for me on their servers in case i need them again.

[SolaFide03]

Denlath Vestor wrote...

You're kidding me, right?

I mean, this is a joke post, isn't it?

You can't be serious -

nahhh, can't be...

GAWD! It is SO time consuming and difficult to put in that disk! The nerve!!!

When I saw EA was publishing when the game was just getting a bit of publicity I immediately discounted it and didn't plan to buy it.  When I found out that retail would be a simple Disk Check came out I bought it (and am glad I did).  Of course I baby my disks anyway so it's not that big a deal.  If it was a bunch of drivers and nutty null registry key Securom garbage I would have been 50/50 on the fence.  It's the digital activation limit stuff I don't want any part of. 

I bought Sims 3 for same reason.  If EA keeps doing stuff like they did with DA:O, they get a pat on the head and more purchases.  If they do more of the Mass Effect activation stuff, "bad dog!" and no purchase.

Modifié par SolaFide03, 12 novembre 2009 - 02:42 .

[Naturalus]

Avispex wrote...

If this indicates the level of intelligence and comprehension that developers have to take into account, the future of gaming looks very bleak.  If you have a steam account, you can just give your login name and password to anybody on the planet, which is exactly the same thing as what you claim I am trying to do.  But, since you missed the point of the OP, there is no sense in explaining to you that you are very wrong here.  Good luck to you, true intent airballer.

Steam is not idiot proof but

If you suffer a catastropic hard drive failure or buy a new PC all you need to do is reinstall Steam and all of your games will download straight to you, regardless of where you are in the world.  No more having to install each game in turn.  Secondly, there's no needing to hunt around for patches as Steam will automatically patch your games for you without your intervention. And NO More disc checks.

Giving away your STEAM account details to outsider is as smart as leaving your home doors unlocked while you are not home. 

Modifié par Naturalus, 12 novembre 2009 - 02:55 .

[Avispex]

Right. Giving away your account is idiotic. Regardless of whether it is your Dragon Age/ EA master account login or your Steam account login. This is why that poster was so clueless. His point was that the only reason anyone would want to eliminate the disc check would be so that they could give the disc to their friends to play for free. However, none of the downloadable content would be available without the login.



But, this is moot. The disc check is even more useless now than ever because a previous poster was correct. All you need to do is uninstall your game. Install the EA Download manager and activate your game using the same serial code used during the first install, and download a digital version- which is what I am doing right now.



No more disc check. Makes you wonder why it is even there. They should just eliminate it entirely as a courtesy to their loyal, registered, and logged in customers. Which is what I have been saying all along anyway.

[Dragoro21]

The only no cd hack i found is on game copy world, and it doesnt work. Anyone find one that does?

[Avispex]

All you need to do is download the EA download manager and register your physical version with the serial code from the manual- the same one that you used for the first install.



Then uninstall the physical version from your hard drive. Preserve your save games and settings.



Then use the EA download manaager to re-download the entire game. When the download is complete, go ahead and install. Then activate it with your EA login.



Then use the content downloader from the in game downloader at the Draon Age Origins title screen to restore all of your DLC.



From now on you are disc check free. It is legal and works perfectly. The only downside is the length of time for the download, but that is a one time inconvenience. Just let it run overnight and you will never notice it.

[inSPECTRE Shepard_]

PowerISO lets you play without the disc.

Modifié par inSPECTRE Shepard , 16 novembre 2009 - 03:03 .

[Keswyn]

Mrbluray wrote...
Learn not to be a criminal. 

You can not legally own any piece of software.  You only own the right to use the software.

wow, "criminal" huh?  i hope you have never downloaded a song "illegally" or watched a youtube video before it got pulled for copyright infringement.

pirating isn't the bane on society that most of you seem to think it is.  so many games become impossible to find after a few years that downloading pirated versions becomes the only way to get a hold of them.  or of finding a copy of a game after your genuine copy has been damaged for some reason and the goddamn game distributors force you to fork out the cash to buy a new copy.

@OP i hope you remembered to get some cheese to go with your whine.  seriously.  if you're worried about scratching the bloody disc, just take good care of it.  my original BG discs are all still fine even though they've seen hundreds of hours of use (and many swaps!).  if you don't use your dvd as a frisbee for your dog to fetch then i'm sure the disc will still be fine long after you've gotten bored of this game and moved onto something else.  swapping the disc in and out takes about 2 seconds more than double clicking on the desktop icon.  i'd recommend you use that time to...wait, actually it's so little ****ing time that you'd have to put the disc in once a day for a month just to lose a minute of your life.  trust me, the hours you sink into the game will overshadow this non-issue before you know it.

[Elanareon]

Im using a mini aimage and it works fine. Only 23 kb on hard drive and since i bought the game i have no qualms on using it.

[gcanders]

Totally agree with OP. The only thing worse than disk check and that stupid Starforce was making the user answer a question that was in the manual. Man...it has been awhile, but I had a rts game that was pretty cool back in the 90's that made you check word 8 on page 10 or whatever random page and enter in the word. I lost the manual. I could not play the game.

[Samurai Pumpkin]

Steam is good.

[Blindandbloody]

Denlath Vestor wrote...

You're kidding me, right?

I mean, this is a joke post, isn't it?

You can't be serious -

nahhh, can't be...

GAWD! It is SO time consuming and difficult to put in that disk! The nerve!!!

I disagree, disk-check should no longer be required in todays age.

[Blindandbloody]

Samurai Pumpkin wrote...

Steam is good.

It's funny because you don't need steam to play games with no disk required. I stopped respecting steam once I found some of the crap I purchased from them included trojans.

[guru7892]

steam?