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[Bryy_Miller]

UberDuber wrote...

I wish we could get another up-to-date game like BG. Origins was good, but jesus christ DA2 is way off now.

I know this is a dead horse, buuuuuuuuut.... you know this because you played it, right? 

[addiction21]

Haexpane wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Those of you old enough to remember Baldur's Gate 2, 

The first time I played BG2 was in 2008-2009

But I am old enough to remember those "good ole days" of 1999? ROFL

Ahhh yes the good ole days of still being a kid. A senior in highschool lettering in 3 sports (Basketball, football, Americal style Football) and still finding time for a little bit of time for warhammer 40k, work, and parties.

[AlanC9]

TMZuk wrote...


Here I must disagree! The trashfights in DA:O was almost getting to the point where I had enough, especially in the Mountain Temple and the Deep Roads. That was a major grieve for me in all of DA:O and yes, even worse in DA:A. Repetitive waves of useless opposition coming at you again and again. It was incredibly annoying.

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that DAO doesn't have trash fights. Just that the DAO trash fights are less trashy than the BG2 ones. 

[UberDuber]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

I wish we could get another up-to-date game like BG. Origins was good, but jesus christ DA2 is way off now.

I know this is a dead horse, buuuuuuuuut.... you know this because you played it, right? 

Of course, BG2. Bioware said Origins was BG's spirtual succesor, but now they have goneeeeeee way off with DA2. Trying to make DA have it's own identity when really it's just a fantasy version of Mass effect....

A commander shepard with 3 new personality options....thrown into Thedas.

[Morroian]

UberDuber wrote...
Of course, BG2. Bioware said Origins was BG's spirtual succesor, but now they have goneeeeeee way off with DA2. Trying to make DA have it's own identity when really it's just a fantasy version of Mass effect....

Seems like there are quite a lot of differences to Mass Effect IMHO.

[Bryy_Miller]

UberDuber wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

I wish we could get another up-to-date game like BG. Origins was good, but jesus christ DA2 is way off now.

I know this is a dead horse, buuuuuuuuut.... you know this because you played it, right? 

Of course, BG2. Bioware said Origins was BG's spirtual succesor, but now they have goneeeeeee way off with DA2. Trying to make DA have it's own identity when really it's just a fantasy version of Mass effect....

A commander shepard with 3 new personality options....thrown into Thedas.

But once again, you know this because you played it? I can understand hesitation, and calling features bad, but you're acting as if you know some concrete facts about the game that others don't. Right now it just sounds like you don't like DA because it's trying to be different. For instance, saying "a commander shepard with 3 new personality options" does not tell us anything about your actual issue with the game's character or character creation. Clarify, please.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 16 septembre 2010 - 02:17 .

[UberDuber]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

I wish we could get another up-to-date game like BG. Origins was good, but jesus christ DA2 is way off now.

I know this is a dead horse, buuuuuuuuut.... you know this because you played it, right? 

Of course, BG2. Bioware said Origins was BG's spirtual succesor, but now they have goneeeeeee way off with DA2. Trying to make DA have it's own identity when really it's just a fantasy version of Mass effect....

A commander shepard with 3 new personality options....thrown into Thedas.

But once again, you know this because you played it? I can understand hesitation, and calling features bad, but you're acting as if you know some concrete facts about the game that others don't. Right now it just sounds like you don't like DA because it's trying to be different.

I don't like DA2, or the direction there heading with this at all. But what does my opinion matter? They obviously don't care about what we think in these forums, there going to do whatever they have to...make a larger audience. Silent RPGS are what I like, won't be long until RPG is dead all together, probably why Bioware is chaging it....to make it more "action"

[Bryy_Miller]

UberDuber wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

I wish we could get another up-to-date game like BG. Origins was good, but jesus christ DA2 is way off now.

I know this is a dead horse, buuuuuuuuut.... you know this because you played it, right? 

Of course, BG2. Bioware said Origins was BG's spirtual succesor, but now they have goneeeeeee way off with DA2. Trying to make DA have it's own identity when really it's just a fantasy version of Mass effect....

A commander shepard with 3 new personality options....thrown into Thedas.

But once again, you know this because you played it? I can understand hesitation, and calling features bad, but you're acting as if you know some concrete facts about the game that others don't. Right now it just sounds like you don't like DA because it's trying to be different.

I don't like DA2, or the direction there heading with this at all. But what does my opinion matter? 

Actually saying what you mean instead of just confusing people by entering a thread and going "BOO" is kind of how forums work. If you refuse to participate in actual discussion, then how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? And furthermore, if you don't think your opinion matters, then why do you even bother raging?

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 16 septembre 2010 - 02:31 .

[UberDuber]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

I wish we could get another up-to-date game like BG. Origins was good, but jesus christ DA2 is way off now.

I know this is a dead horse, buuuuuuuuut.... you know this because you played it, right? 

Of course, BG2. Bioware said Origins was BG's spirtual succesor, but now they have goneeeeeee way off with DA2. Trying to make DA have it's own identity when really it's just a fantasy version of Mass effect....

A commander shepard with 3 new personality options....thrown into Thedas.

But once again, you know this because you played it? I can understand hesitation, and calling features bad, but you're acting as if you know some concrete facts about the game that others don't. Right now it just sounds like you don't like DA because it's trying to be different.

I don't like DA2, or the direction there heading with this at all. But what does my opinion matter? 

Actually saying what you mean instead of just confusing people by entering a thread and going "BOO" is kind of how forums work. If you refuse to participate in actual discussion, then how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? And furthermore, if you don't think your opinion matters, then why do you even bother raging?

If you consider that raging, maybe I shouldn't reply to you. I'm free to post an opinion, wether good or bad.
I posted in this thread "How about a little BG style" about my opinion on the matter, and you are putting it off topic.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

AlanC9 wrote...

TMZuk wrote...


Here I must disagree! The trashfights in DA:O was almost getting to the point where I had enough, especially in the Mountain Temple and the Deep Roads. That was a major grieve for me in all of DA:O and yes, even worse in DA:A. Repetitive waves of useless opposition coming at you again and again. It was incredibly annoying.

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that DAO doesn't have trash fights. Just that the DAO trash fights are less trashy than the BG2 ones. 

How so? It would be nice if you would give us an example because as far as I can remember you have it the wrong way round. The trash fights in DA:O as TMZ has already stated got to the point where they were beyond a joke, most of the dungeons in DA:O were way too long with nowhere near enough interesting content to justify their length and instead were padded out with trash fight after trash fight after trash fight, to put it simply the dungeons in DA:O were just one huge grind. The dungeons and quests found in BG2 are far superior to what was found in DA:O as there was much more interesting content, unique enemies and items and puzzles to mix things up a bit, sure there may have been a few trash fights however all in all the dungeons in BG2 were very well designed as they did manage to hold your interest far better than DA:O ever could.

[Bryy_Miller]

UberDuber wrote...

If you consider that raging, maybe I shouldn't reply to you. I'm free to post an opinion, wether good or bad.
I posted in this thread "How about a little BG style" about my opinion on the matter, and you are putting it off topic.

"DA2 is waaaaaaaaaaaaay off base" isn't the best stated opinion. Nobody knows what it means. If this is your posting style, don't expect others to really, you know, jive with you. 

Like I said, this is a public forum. You're free to say whatever you want, but when people ask you to simply clarify your position due to a lack of understanding, don't be all surprised. 

Opinion = / = "you don't get to ask me questions or disagree with me"
Opinion ALSO = / = "I can say whatever I want without backing it up"

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:28 .

[UberDuber]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

If you consider that raging, maybe I shouldn't reply to you. I'm free to post an opinion, wether good or bad.
I posted in this thread "How about a little BG style" about my opinion on the matter, and you are putting it off topic.

"DA2 is waaaaaaaaaaaaay off base" isn't the best stated opinion. Nobody knows what it means. If this is your posting style, don't expect others to really, you know, jive with you. 

Like I said, this is a public forum. You're free to say whatever you want, but when people ask you to simply clarify your position due to a lack of understanding, don't be all surprised. 

Opinion = / = "you don't get to ask me questions or disagree with me"
Opinion ALSO = / = "I can say whatever I want without backing it up"

Go outside and make some friends...everytime I come on here your posting away.

Apparently... this is a public forum, and I can say whatever I want, wether it's on topic or off.

[Bryy_Miller]

UberDuber wrote...
Go outside and make some friends...

Please don't resort to personal insults.

[AlanC9]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
How so? It would be nice if you would give us an example because as far as I can remember you have it the wrong way round.

Weak BG2 enemies generally have no abilities. All they do is a moderate amount of melee damage. They can't disrupt your plan, or even interfere with it. All they do is take their lumps and die, after giving you no damage that your clerics can't handle. Assuming you don't just blow everything to bits with your wizards, or course. The rest mechanism doesn't offer any deterrent to this, since RE's aren't ever tough enough to cause a problem. Even if you've just expended all spells, that's why there are potions and scrolls. The real deterrent is the tedium of rebuffing after a rest. So what I mean by BG2 trash fights being trashier is that there's nothing going on of interest in them.

most of the dungeons in DA:O were way too long with nowhere near enough interesting content to justify their length and instead were padded out with trash fight after trash fight after trash fight, to put it simply the dungeons in DA:O were just one huge grind. The dungeons and quests found in BG2 are far superior to what was found in DA:O as there was much more interesting content, unique enemies and items and puzzles to mix things up a bit, sure there may have been a few trash fights however all in all the dungeons in BG2 were very well designed as they did manage to hold your interest far better than DA:O ever could.

Sure, the DAO areas were padded with trash fights. So were BG2's. The primary difference is that DAO's main quest areas were relatively long, both in proportion to the main game and, I believe, in actual time taken. (Well, besides there being far fewer main quests in DAO, of course.) This means that you're dealing with more trash fights before the next decision point in DAO than in BG2. I find that the poor quality of BG2 trash fights makes them a worse problem, but YMMV.

Points of interest seem to be about even between the two, though BG2 is wildly variable here. Some of the suckier BG2 main quests offer pretty much nothing of interest before the main fight. I'm looking at you, Faldorn and Firkraag.

I actually do think that DAO's main quests should have been shorter. You could cut 1/4 or so out of the playing time without losing anything.

[AlanC9]

UberDuber wrote...
Apparently... this is a public forum, and I can say whatever I want, wether it's on topic or off.

I'm pretty sure personal insults are a violation of the TOS. But Bryy's too classy to report you for it. And if someone wants to act like a jerk I figure he ought to be allowed to, so I'm not going to report you either.

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

I actually do think that DAO's main quests should have been shorter. You could cut 1/4 or so out of the playing time without losing anything.

Atmosphere counts for a lot.  I would have liked the Deep Roads, in particular, to be quite a bit longer.  I don't think I needed more encounters in them, but I'd like to have seen more actual walking.

Weak BG2 enemies generally have no abilities. All they do is a moderate amount of melee damage. They can't disrupt your plan, or even interfere with it. All they do is take their lumps and die, after giving you no damage that your clerics can't handle. Assuming you don't just blow everything to bits with your wizards, or course. The rest mechanism doesn't offer any deterrent to this, since RE's aren't ever tough enough to cause a problem. Even if you've just expended all spells, that's why there are potions and scrolls. The real deterrent is the tedium of rebuffing after a rest. So what I mean by BG2 trash fights being trashier is that there's nothing going on of interest in them.

And this is yet another reason why BG was superior to BG2.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:18 .

[Riona45]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...


And this is yet another reason why BG was superior to BG2.

Because you were a lower level character?

[AlanC9]

I'm with you there, Sylvius. Folks gush about BG2 combat a lot, but it really wasn't very well balanced for anyone who understands the rules. Though DAO's even worse in that regard, what with spell combos and obvious exploits like Force Field on a friendly.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Riona45 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

And this is yet another reason why BG was superior to BG2.

Because you were a lower level character?

Partly.  AD&D did, I think, work better at lower levels.  But that was exacerbated by BG2 being such a monty haul campaign.

[Riona45]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Partly.  AD&D did, I think, work better at lower levels.  But that was exacerbated by BG2 being such a monty haul campaign.

Especially with Throne of Bhaal installed.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I admit I have never tried ToB.

[AlanC9]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Atmosphere counts for a lot.  I would have liked the Deep Roads, in particular, to be quite a bit longer.  I don't think I needed more encounters in them, but I'd like to have seen more actual walking.

Imagine how bad the Deep Roads would have been in the IE, where you can cross a map in a minute or so.

I can see doing a longer walk there, but you'd maybe need to break it up with something if you're not using fighting for that. 

You never tried ToB? I don't think it's a particularly good RPG, but it sure does wrap things up. With Ascension some of the fights can even be challenging. It can be a bit annoying, though -- for instance, enemy THACO goes through the roof, so you ought to teach everyone to dual-wield even if they've been carrying shields since Candlekeep.

Modifié par AlanC9, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:28 .

[Riona45]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I admit I have never tried ToB.

LOL!  If you think BG2 was too much of a Monty Haul campaign, I can imagine how you would react to ToB.  It gets to the point where the whole party is equipped with artifact level items.

That being said, I did have fun with it.  I recommend that you try it out at least once, then decide for yourself.

[aaniadyen]

Riona45 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I admit I have never tried ToB.

LOL!  If you think BG2 was too much of a Monty Haul campaign, I can imagine how you would react to ToB.  It gets to the point where the whole party is equipped with artifact level items.

That being said, I did have fun with it.  I recommend that you try it out at least once, then decide for yourself.

I actually thought ToB was better than SoA in that regard.

The whole point of ToB is to conclude the story line of the series; a series in which you ascend to goddom (maybe). You're extremely overpowered over almost everything, that's true, but it fits the campaign. It builds the atmosphere of you reaching the height of power. Besides that, I remember plenty of hard encounters in ToB that gave me trouble, which is saying something when the expansion is fairly short.

Granted, I thought BG 1 was the best in almost every aspect out of all of them, but that's not really the point.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:45 .

[Bryy_Miller]

AlanC9 wrote...
 obvious exploits like Force Field on a friendly.

When I first heard about Force Field, my face was all "... why? why would you possibly use that?".