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[nespeed]

Im just doing another play through and just relized I really dont like Jacob. His attitude just makes me hate him, anyone else with me on this?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Not at all. Jacob is pretty much the captain douchebag of the Normandy SR-2.

[Zayle79]

I'm not.

What makes you think that?  How des his attitude make you angry?

[upsettingshorts]

How could Jacob inspire hate?

He's with Cerberus... but wary.
He's tough... but thoughtful.
He's open... but reserved.
He's respectful... but not conciliatory.

It's like he was built to be mild.

Whoever can logically explain to me why they hate Jacob wins the priiiize.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[epoch_]

ya, you really can't love or hate the guy. He's so incredibly meh in every way.

[ADLegend21]

Jacobs the most even keel person in the series. How you can possibly hate someone that's neutral is astonishing.

[upsettingshorts]

My impression of Jacob is that I'd like to be friends with him in real life. But that doesn't make him a particularly fascinating character, just well-adjusted and, well - normal.

Which is great in real life, in games... I prefer the Mordins and the Samaras.

/would totally have beers with Jacob at the Citadel

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:40 .

[Moondoggie]

The drawback with Jacob is he's kinda unremarkable compared to everyone else. That and his badly written porno lines. Besides this he's the most stable person on the ship alongside Kelly.

[adriano_c]

Well, his generic personality serves to accentuate how outlandish all the other team members are. I think that was his purpose, really...



*cue Pacifen*

[Pacifien]

What? Even the Shadow Broker thinks Jacob is generic!

[Siansonea]

Poor Jacob. There's nothing really wrong with him, but there's not a whole lot that's right about him. He's unremarkable in combat, his loyalty mission is one of the most uninspiring, and other than his abs, he doesn't have a lot to recommend him. It doesn't help that he's kind of a jerk to Tali and Thane when they join the crew, and his tactical advice is always wrong. Jacob really needs a personality makeover (and they need to sort out the Chiclet teeth, the strabismus, and the unnatural upper lip movement).

[ArcanistLibram]

Poor Jacob. Everyone hates him for being the most well-adjusted and emotionally stable member of the crew. That has to suck.

[Shadow_broker]

My theory on why Jacob is disliked



1.Lack of Intro: Jacob is the only ME2 character who lacked a epic Intro meeting, Just common guy we ran into (even Miranda had Awesome High def cutscene)



2.Least intresting loyalty:Seriously his was so bad, He came off as an ass and was not intresting whatsoever



3.Lack of funny:Jacob had epic one liners in Galaxy, Needs more cheesy jokes in ME3



4:He's Black, Yes i'm going there. This is not the main reason but i think Jacobs Very african Appearnce made some people dislike him. Kadian was just as boring but SOME people like him



5. He's human, Aliens>Humans in terms of intrest

[theBioticGod]

I disagreed with most of his decisions; Never listen to him.

Modifié par theBioticGod, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:50 .

[BloodyTalon]

He is ok and the most stable of chars in the game, my theory is the events in mass effect 2 may make him a bit more interesting in three. Take a stable guy like him and put him on such a mission and through the set of events he will end up a change man come the next game.

[NonCanon]

I don't like him or dislike him. He's just...there. But I thought his upper lip facial hair was creepy looking. *shrugs*

[BloodyTalon]

Oh and we need dlc where we can have a beer with him.

[tommyt_1994]

I can't really figure Jacob's character out. In many ways he seems like a nice guy you'd want to hang out with. But then there's some things I just dislike, like:
-He starts lashing out at Thane for being a "precise mercenary", when a mercenary could arguably describe Jacob's involvement with Cerberus. TIM refers to him as "just a soldier", and Jacob was working with an organization he stronly disagrees with when he really didn't have to. He joined Cerberus pre-ME2. He isn;' working with them because they're a necessary evil to stop the collector's like Shep is. Jacob had the Alliances support, and the apparently really wante him to remain in service form what we've seen on his dossier in LotSB. Shep didn't have the Alliance's supoort like Jacob did. (in ME2 at least).
-He tries to ****** of Tali in the debriefing room after you recruit her, I can't see how some people try and play it off as a mistake on his part and try and say he didn't mean to be mean towards the new crew member. Who actually has very good reason to distrust Cerberus.
-He tries and shut out FemShep from getting closer to him when it comes to his feelings, and seems like he just wants something light. But if femshep rejects him before the omega 4 relay, he mentions he loves her, just not in so many words IIRC.
-His racial comments towards Garrus and Thane in the love triangle scenario also irritate me. Most characters say tell shep that he/she needs to make a choice, and most seem to accept Shep's choice if Shep chooses the other person. But Jacob lashes out and calls Garrus a "cuttlebone" and makes a remark towards Thane's eyes that seems as though he's trying to insult him. It goes along the line of "Women always go after the drell eye's" or somehting similar. His tone was quite peeved, and it just seemed out of line.

He's a solid 5/10 on my scale, somethings I like, some things I do not. I really don't understand where Bioware went with his character.

edited for add-ins

Modifié par tommyt_1994, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:08 .

[ADLegend21]

Jacob being mean to Tali yeah "Cerberus saw footage of you in action, you'll be a good asset to the team" is only something an ass would say to someone when they join a team.

[lazuli]

Pacifien wrote...

What? Even the Shadow Broker thinks Jacob is generic!

The Shadow Broker thinks he's stable.

Jacob is not bland.  He is a strong, private person.  He has the odds stacked against him in terms of fan approval for reasons which have already been mentioned.

As for his romance, I thought it was weird the first time I tried it.  And I'm not a fan of his repeating romance dialogue, the dialogue section that all ME2 romances have (and repeat) before the climax.  But on subsequent playthroughs his romance doesn't seem as strange.  Try it again.  Try to approach it in different ways.  Don't always choose the Paragon path.  And if you want him to be at ease don't try to psychoanalyze him.  Just give Jacob another chance.

And as for his combat skills, Lair of the Shadow Broker addresses his most glaring flaw.  Give him Advanced Training and drop all points from Barrier.  Voilà.  Now you have the perfect match for a caster Sentinel or Adept Shepard.

[tommyt_1994]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Jacob being mean to Tali yeah "Cerberus saw footage of you in action, you'll be a good asset to the team" is only something an ass would say to someone when they join a team.

*sighs* I was referring to the "Oh make sure to introduce yourself to the ship's AI" comment. Nice try though.

[Redcoat]

A lot of the things people say of Jacob, such as his blandness, could easily be applied to Kaidan as well, yet for some reason I always liked Kaidan more. Maybe it's because when Kaidan tells you he's got his past squared away, I actually believe him, whereas Jacob sounds like he's just repressed and exceedingly defensive about it.

The bigger problem is that, if you look at any of the other characters, you can immediately think of something that drives them; something they're passionate about. Garrus despises injustice and wants to see wrongdoers get their just deserts. Tali works for the good of her people above all else, and wants to reclaim her homeworld. Samara is oath-bound to fight injustice wherever she finds it. Miranda wants Shepard to succeed no matter what. Thane wants to make the galaxy a better place before he dies and reconnect with his son. But Jacob? What drives him? What does he feel strongly about? Does he have a "berserk button?" What are his opinions on major storyline developments? What are his prejudices? After multiple playthroughs the only major personality traits I can find in him are:

- He's generally a "paragon" character, which in itself isn't a significant trait
- He doesn't fully trust Cerberus or TIM, which again isn't that significant
- He has "family issues", but so do most of the other characters

I do think his treatment of Thane and Tali is kind of overblown, however. He initially distrusts Thane, but if you knew nothing about someone beyond "he's an assassin," wouldn't you be a bit mistrustful at first? And I don't get any hint of malice when he tells Tali to introduce herself to the ship's AI; rather, I think it's just him forgetting that AI is sore spot for quarians. It's kind of like slipping up and calling your German teacher a "grammar ****," right before you realise what a stupid thing that was to say.

Modifié par Redcoat, 12 septembre 2010 - 06:44 .

[Adhin]

I just don't like the way he talks to be honest. 'hit em with the good stuff' I just wanna punch him when I hear that. Or 'ITS GETTING TENSE'. **** no its not its a few robots you ****. Generally I like his character, sorta, I mean I agree with him being the most neutral and stable kinda thing but... yeah just some of the lines he spits out make me wanna strangle the guy.



Gotten to the point where I expertly time the X button to avoid some of his ******-irritating lines to make the experience more fun for me. I also skip the silly jailer stare down with Shep, in fact mos the stare downs just look hilariously wrong and I avoid them.

[lizzbee]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

I can't really figure Jacob's character out. In many ways he seems like a nice guy you'd want to hang out with. But then there's some things I just dislike, like:
-He starts lashing out at Thane for being a "precise mercenary", when a mercenary could arguably describe Jacob's involvement with Cerberus. TIM refers to him as "just a soldier", and Jacob was working with an organization he stronly disagrees with when he really didn't have to. He joined Cerberus pre-ME2. He isn;' working with them because they're a necessary evil to stop the collector's like Shep is. Jacob had the Alliances support, and the apparently really wante him to remain in service form what we've seen on his dossier in LotSB. Shep didn't have the Alliance's supoort like Jacob did. (in ME2 at least).
-He tries to ****** of Tali in the debriefing room after you recruit her, I can't see how some people try and play it off as a mistake on his part and try and say he didn't mean to be mean towards the new crew member. Who actually has very good reason to distrust Cerberus.
-He tries and shut out FemShep from getting closer to him when it comes to his feelings, and seems like he just wants something light. But if femshep rejects him before the omega 4 relay, he mentions he loves her, just not in so many words IIRC.
-His racial comments towards Garrus and Thane in the love triangle scenario also irritate me. Most characters say tell shep that he/she needs to make a choice, and most seem to accept Shep's choice if Shep chooses the other person. But Jacob lashes out and calls Garrus a "cuttlebone" and makes a remark towards Thane's eyes that seems as though he's trying to insult him. It goes along the line of "Women always go after the drell eye's" or somehting similar. His tone was quite peeved, and it just seemed out of line.

He's a solid 5/10 on my scale, somethings I like, some things I do not. I really don't understand where Bioware went with his character.

edited for add-ins

Jacob was one of those characters I really wanted to like.  I really did like him at the beginning of the game when he first tells Shepard the truth about Cerberus, and the way he defends Shepard at Freedom's Progress.  But it was all downhill from there.  Something got royally screwed up in his writing, and he goes from being a truthful, semi-understanding guy to a suspicious, mistrustful, non-communicative, passive-aggressive jerk.  I really hate the way he treats Thane and Tali when they're first on board, and I agree with the above analysis of the "racial" comments he makes if FemShep breaks up with him.  Worse is his hypocrisy when he mentions that he doesn't trust "mercenaries."  And he's not a mercenary for Cerberus?

This last playthrough I tried the romance, and ugh.  The porno lines really weren't the problem for me-- it was the sense that he was playing power games in the relationship.  I got the feeling that his walling-off and the distancing he tried to keep with FemShep had to do a lot with his own repressed inadequacies.  ("Miranda needed a better man...")  I think what really got me most was the romance lock-in conversation-- he keeps nagging FemShep when she comes to spend time with him, and is automatically suspicious that something's wrong.  Contrast that with Garrus and Thane who are both happy to see FemShep.  Thane's concerned about her and looks forward to a (limited) future with her.  He greets her with a smile, holds her hands, plans a desert vacation, or muses on the nature of fate.  Garrus is kind of horny, awkward and looking forward to "easing stress."  Thane treats Shepard as an equal, Garrus looks up to her, and Jacob, well, marginalizes her and pretty much tells her to bugger off.  Not great relationship material.

...and goddess, that grammar after Freedom's Progress...  What the hell does, "Look at this...  Like sneaking into the Captain's quarters...  And the priiiize..." mean?  It's not English, even if the words technically are.  It drove me nuts trying to talk to him, just because the writers seemed to be trying for some weird kind of "action hero" dialog for him that just didn't work at all.

I can tell you why I liked Kaidan-- he seemed solid and controlled, private, but willing to open up to a friend.  He really liked FemShep as a friend and as a lover.  He had a hint of humor about him, and a somewhat wry but idealistic outlook on life.  No matter the Alliance command structure, you got the sense that he truly trusted Shepard.  Jacob distrusts everyone.  He's racist, though you have to dig to see his racial dialog.  You get the sense that no matter how he wants to "get loud on the Citadel," that he never really likes Shepard.  Or that he doesn't really like himself either.  He claims to be over his father, but you can just feel the repression rolling off him in waves.  I never got the feeling that Jacob was stable at all-- that the stability was only a pretense.  But, unfortunately, you can't explore that facet of his personality at all.  That might make him almost interesting

[lazuli]

tommyt_1994 wrote...
-His racial comments towards Garrus and Thane in the love triangle scenario also irritate me. Most characters say tell shep that he/she needs to make a choice, and most seem to accept Shep's choice if Shep chooses the other person. But Jacob lashes out and calls Garrus a "cuttlebone" and makes a remark towards Thane's eyes that seems as though he's trying to insult him. It goes along the line of "Women always go after the drell eye's" or somehting similar. His tone was quite peeved, and it just seemed out of line.

So you're going to blame a person for reacting emotionally when he finds out someone close to him has been lying, perhaps about everything?  In those situations, I think humans are expected to act a little impulsively or otherwise "out of line."

As for the Tali comment, it doesn't fit.  He would have to know how Tali would take it, so I think it's just poorly written. I don't think he would go out of his way to be rude to Tali.  He doesn't have a reason to, at least not one known to us.  And his delivery of that line leads me to believe that he's making a genuine overture of peace, even if it's horribly misguided.