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[LadyJaneGrey]

Of course, this assumes there is a definite, concrete division between the two...

[Dead Community]

hamtyl07 wrote...

Dead Community wrote...

I'm sorry who's TIM? I've played ME & ME2 multiple times and I do not recall any character called "TIM". Who was he? Or is it an acronym for something?

The Illuisve Man

hope that sums it up

Ah of course The Illusive Man:pinched:. Seems so obvious now. Thanks I'm able to follow the discussion now.

[DaVanguard]

[Edit: Spoiler removed. -- Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[hamtyl07]

DaVanguard wrote...
[Edit: Spoiler removed. -- Pacifien]

that kind of makes sense

Modifié par Pacifien, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[Mudzr]

Does it have to between the two? I was hoping that in ME3 you would be recruited by a trans species organisation, maybe headed again by the council. Instead of an all human crew you'd have aliens with you, with an elcor, hanar and volus crew member that would travel with you on the normandy (3?). Of course you'd have a couple of alliance and cerberus team members (Chawkwas and Kelly?) but you'd be a distinctive seperate force from the IM and the alliance. Also siding with the aliens means you could have acsess to better forms of technology. And like in ME2 with Cerebus, you wouldn't have a choice but if your shep is a charming xenophobe you can argue with everyone the whole way.



Either way though, a volus, hanar and elcor on my vessel would be awesome

[raven_corrino]

Mudzr wrote...

Either way though, a volus, hanar and elcor on my vessel would be awesome

You do know that all of the above will be unable to assist you in any kind of battle? The only "combat" I've seen a volus undertake is the volus interviewee who kicked the reporter Khalisah al-Jilani.

Since the volus are known for their trade and finance, having one on the ship might help Shep in gaining credits or information, meaning he does not have to rely solely on Miranda or Liara for the info.

I do not know what good the hanar and elcor will do on the Normandy. I believe they are more of a hindrance than good. The hanar will just keep sprouting nonsensical rubbish about "The Enkindlers". Maybe the elcor is just there to add mass to the ship.

[Sidac]

I dont see how an elchor would work. Unless you stand on its haunches and attack a giant cannon to its back. You see how slow it was moving on the citadel?



I know its a completely different game but this is the ONLY use i can see an elchor would have:



http://www.bakedbabi...ox/Krootox4.jpg

[raven_corrino]

In any case, I would still side with the Alliance. They're alot bigger than Cerberus in terms of size, power and strength. All my actions thus far have been done in light of me rejoining the Alliance if that's possible in ME3. Siding with Cerberus just seem to brand you as a terrorist and may get you kicked off the Spectre list come ME3, since the Council hates Cerberus.

[raven_corrino]

Sidac wrote...

I dont see how an elchor would work. Unless you stand on its haunches and attack a giant cannon to its back. You see how slow it was moving on the citadel?

I know its a completely different game but this is the ONLY use i can see an elchor would have:

http://www.bakedbabi...ox/Krootox4.jpg

Niceee........ These elcor will have to throw away their dignity and let some human attach a cannon to their back and also stand on them. They will become the laughing stock of the Citadel. But it'll be a good mobile artillery platform or some kind of "organic tank" for the other crewmates on the Normandy, those not part of your squad, like Rolston, Goldstein, Hawthorne etc. It lets them help out in any battle.

I like your idea.

[Aztag09]

Team Shepard

[raven_corrino]

Maybe BW should make the option of letting Shep create his own merc band out in the Terminus after everything is over. He's got everything he needs to form a band.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Before the LotSB came out I thought that one of the few other parties to be able to support Shepard would be the Shadow Broker. That may still happen, though. However, I rather see Shepard working for the Alliance again. I feel that is more true to Shepard's character. And if Shepard works for some secret party then saving the galaxy for the third time may never get the proper attention of the Alliance. If so that would be an anti-climax and result in no change to the political situation.

Edit: Removed spoiler.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:40 .

[kalle90]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'd like to be able to have a third way.

Alliance is slow, incompetent, and concerned with political convenience.
Cerberus is amoral, ruthless, and untrustworthy.

TEAM SHEPARD ALL THE WAY

This too. Plus to be able to discuss with Quarians, Krogan, Geth... I'd say being unallianced is an advantage.

[close2myheart]

Alliance. Keeping up with family tradition (spacer background)

[FDrage]

I doubt that we work for Alliance or Cerberus. They probably be in the game but I don't think we'll work for them. Why? I'm just thinking about some things from the last ME-Book ... towards very the end.

[heretica]

FDrage wrote...

I doubt that we work for Alliance or Cerberus. They probably be in the game but I don't think we'll work for them. Why? I'm just thinking about some things from the last ME-Book ... towards very the end.

Gah hush!  I'm not fiished yet!!! :happy:

[Spectre_907]

kalle90 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'd like to be able to have a third way.

Alliance is slow, incompetent, and concerned with political convenience.
Cerberus is amoral, ruthless, and untrustworthy.

TEAM SHEPARD ALL THE WAY

This too. Plus to be able to discuss with Quarians, Krogan, Geth... I'd say being unallianced is an advantage.

And we have the Shadow Broker's information network and their legions of agents. Their organization if far superior to Cerberus. But I would still maintain ties to Admiral Hackett and David Anderson. They are more farsighted than the rest of the Alliance. TIM not so much.

[Kondorr]

I have been thinking , while reading this thread, about the reasoning behind choosing either the alliance or Cerberus or Team Shepard...

As paragon, as well as real live, I would go with the Council, now that is why:

PRO's & CON's

CERBERUS:

• as I see it, they are like the consortium  in THE X-FILES, with TiM's resources, they have half the alliance in their pockets
• they conduct experiments against the wills of the test subjects
• they press for human dominance, BUT with themselfs on top

HUMAN ALLIANCE

• they press for human dominance, now from a political point of view, that is the ultimate goal of any sanctioned and elected political party
• they are most certainly corrupted by CERBERUS fundings
• they are just a single fraction in the galactic society

TEAM SHEPARD

• sides with no one
• fights on its own
• other fractions and races within the Citadel begin to war each other (chaos erupts, because Shepard does not favor anyone)

COUNCIL

• The council governs the most sentient beings
• Their goal is to maintain a balance between the races of the galaxy

As I view it, IF BIOWARE gives us such a choice... the choice under whose flag you will defeat the reapers, will be the group, that ultimately will gain power over the known galaxy. The repercusion may be:

OUTCOMES

CERBERUS: 

• a corporate tyrany, with TiM as the "emperor"
• non-humans at big disadvantage, servants of the human elite
• creation of a small human elite and a big human "slave/poverty" community

HUMAN ALLIANCE

• A tyrany based on race, all non-human will take a disadvantage (If Udina rules... maybe there is hope with Anderson)
• humanity governed as was under Anderson, under Udina probable danger of tyrany

TEAM SHEPARD

• ALL have the same disadvantage, war torn homeworlds, need of new governments
• basically all galaxy in ruins
• need to completely rebuild local and global governments post reaper threat

COUNCIL

• All stays the way it is, with a slightly better position for humans
• The lifestyles of all sentient species will be preserved

Now I define "Saving the galaxy" as preserving the lifestyle of all its inhabitants...

Cerberus - TiM will shape the galaxy according to his wishes
Human Alliance - will shape the galaxy to humanities or Udinas wishes (the guy has some Palpatine vibe to him)
Team Shepard - will succed but leaving the galaxy in ruins
Citadel - all stays as it was

so from todays perspective I believe the incompetent and overly slow COUNCIL is the only one who can assure preserving everyones livestyle post reaper-threat.

Modifié par Kondorr, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[FDrage]

Catt128 wrote...

Gah hush!  I'm not fiished yet!!! :happy:

that is why I tried to be as non specific as possible ... :innocent:. Good read so, very much enjoyable

[Raygereio]

At this point neither. The Alliance (and the council for that matter) have been rewritten from being cautious, slow moving organizations into pants-on-head retards in ME2 in order to make Cerberus look better. Unless BioWare feels like rewriting them again, I doubt that will change.



As for Cerberus; well, we’re basically talking a ye-old-standard evil organization that blames all it’s screw ups on ‘rogue elements’ and is lead by an evil mastermind that is an amalgamation of almost every relevant trope and cliché imaginable. BioWare is also attempting to portray said mastermind as AWESOMECOOL!, but that had the opposite reaction on me.



All in all: Go team Sheppard!

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Alliance Command HQ (Artticus Station)

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I would definetly stick with Alliance.

[kalle90]

Kondorr wrote...
TEAM SHEPARD

• ALL have the same disadvantage, war torn homeworlds, need of new governments
• basically all galaxy in ruins
• need to completely rebuild local and global governments post reaper threat

I guess that's one way to look at it, but like in ME2, perhaps Shepard could be able to find a way to calm and unite the races and worlds. Sacrifices must be made but not everything is lost.

I certainly hope it wouldn't be a simple: Work for Cerberus - TIM dominates everything, work for Council - The world is preserved etc. There should be like 20 different endings instead of 4 (5 if you count failure)

[shepardsshadow]

i think its already set in stone who you will be working alongside. It was kinda hinted at at the end of the new dlc. Think whoevers backing you has to have finances and contacts. Youve already worked for cerburus and the alliance. Whos the other major player in the galaxy? And if the boss of that organisation happens to be an old squadmate/loveinterest, then all the better.

My guess is the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par shepardsshadow, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:23 .