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[DarthCaine]

Thisgunjams wrote...

You have to think, Shepard has Reaper tech in him/her and went under extencive gean thearpy. Maybe being brought back to life has some major side effects, like gentic compatibility will more then one species. This just ran through my head during the opening cinama

You're a big optimist. Me, I thought that being brought back to life probably made him/her sterile and considerably shortened his/her life expectansy

Modifié par DarthCaine, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[Aradace]

DarthCaine wrote...

Thisgunjams wrote...

You have to think, Shepard has Reaper tech in him/her and went under extencive gean thearpy. Maybe being brought back to life has some major side effects, like gentic compatibility will more then one species. This just ran through my head during the opening cinama

You're a big optimist. Me, I thought that being brought back to life probably made him/her sterile and considerably shortened his life expectansy

Sterile perhaps....Shortened life expectansy, not so much.  If anything, he'll probably live LONGER due to all the biosynthetic/cybernetics in his body lol.

[Aradace]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Aradace wrote...


I hope you're being a troll otherwise you really dont know the universe very well lol

They give birth to an Asari that shares nothing genetically with the other parent. A human / asari child is the exact same thing as an asari / krogan child. Essentially, the other parent means nothing in the relationship.

Except for the genentic diversity that is PLAINLY STATED in game...So what, you're saying the GAME is wrong now and not you? That's kind of arrogant.  Im still waiting for my explanation that apparently you two think you know about the game a good portion of others dont.  If I end up being wrong, Im wrong but I'd like either of you to PROVE it before you actually say it.

Modifié par Aradace, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[Axeface]

I doubt we will see anything like this at all. We'll get our happily ever after ending but not see any of it.

And like you said it's only possible with humans and asari, any others and its like trying to impregnate a goat. Not possible.

[Aradace]

Axeface wrote...

I doubt we will see anything like this at all. We'll get our happily ever after ending but not see any of it.
And like you said it's only possible with humans and asari, any others and its like trying to impregnate a goat. Not possible.

Then how is Atheta's father a Krogan?  If we're talking about the same thing?...Wait, nevermind, we're not....Just realized you meant other species in general....Whaddyawant? Im still waking up over heeeerrre lol.

Modifié par Aradace, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:18 .

[Aradace]

Shandepared wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Then how is Atheta's father a Krogan?

Her father isn't a krogan, she doesn't have a father. For that krogan to be her father she'd need to share his genetic material. She doesn't.

Then why did she say her father was Krogan?  So you're saying she's lying? Im sorry, until you actually PROVE your point, you're still just trolling.  Which you have failed to do.  Atheta said her father was a Krogan.  And it's even stated in game that the ONLY way a Krogan can have children (other than being EXTREMELY lucky because of the genophage)is with Asari (as stated by another Asari).  So again, dont TELL me Im wrong...Prove it to me.

Modifié par Aradace, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:25 .

[The Big Nothing]

Won't matter to me - my Shepard will make the ultimate sacrifice in the end of Mass Effect 3, if possible. It'll be all epic and junk, like:

Commander Shepard is on his last, vital mission, and things aren't going well. The fleet combating the Reapers has been devastated, and one of the two squad-mates Shepard brought with him has fallen in battle; the other is his love interest, who is gravely injured. The Normandy SR2 is heavily damaged but it's coming in for a pick-up. Shepard carries the body of his beloved to the open hatch of the Normandy, and he realizes that he doesn't have enough time to complete his mission and escape. As an Alliance marine takes his weak, injured love interest from his arms into the Normandy, he realizes he must make a choice:

a) Board the Normandy, and retreat with his love interest
Run back into the fray and attempt to complete his vital mission, at the expense of his own life

:

"... Normandy, get clear!"
"Commander?"
"I'm gonna finish this."
"Shepard--"
"Joker, go!"
"... I'm not leaving you, Commander."
"That's an order, Joker! Get the hell outta here!"

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Skyblade012]

Mesina2 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

It isn't the Justicar code that forbids it, it is against Samara's own desire.

She is basically afraid of being hurt again. Of bringing another Ardat-Yakshi daughter into the world.

I find that dumb since only purebloods can have Ardat-Yakshi.
But she might get hurt by Shepard's death.

She is a pureblood, so she can have Ardat-Yakshi children.  Nothing says that the children themselves must also be pureblood.

[Aradace]

Ive never understood the "jumping on your own sword" concept. I mean, I understand it but why WILLINGLY do it if you can get out of the situation you're in alive? Seems kind of foolish to me.  Just like the whole thing with morrigan in DA:O.  A sure death scenario is put before you, but you are given a way to circumvent it.  And Im sure there were others who, for what ever reason, decided "No, I will sacrafice myself instead of making a baby that will not only save MY life, but other warden's as well..."  The people who threw themselves on their own sword in that scenario are kind of reckless IMO.  Nothing noble about dying when it can be avoided.

Modifié par Aradace, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[Bruddajakka]

They've already done that. Doubt they will again.



During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity," presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and her partner briefly become one unified nervous system. This unique means of reproduction is the reason asari are all talented biotics. Their evolved ability to consciously control nerve impulses is very similar to biotic training. The partner can be another asari, or an alien of any gender. However, since the asari began encountering other sentient species, non-asari mates have become preferred for the diversity they provide. This reproductive process can lead to some confusion among non-asari, who might expect offspring with "mixed" genes. However, the offspring is always 100% asari, as it does not actually take DNA from the partner, simply use it as a "map" to randomize the genes of the offspring.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Tali's REAL biological daddy name is Raerae Stanley... not my golden sheperd being her daddy.

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Then how is Atheta's father a Krogan?

Her father isn't a krogan, she doesn't have a father. For that krogan to be her father she'd need to share his genetic material. She doesn't.

If that's the way you want to think about it Asari can't conceive children with another asari either.

[Aradace]

bobobo878 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Then how is Atheta's father a Krogan?

Her father isn't a krogan, she doesn't have a father. For that krogan to be her father she'd need to share his genetic material. She doesn't.

If that's the way you want to think about it Asari can't conceive children with another asari either.

And by his defintion (which is still wrong IMO until he proves otherwise lol) ALL Asari are "purebloods" which ISNT the case.

[didymos1120]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

It isn't the Justicar code that forbids it, it is against Samara's own desire.

She is basically afraid of being hurt again. Of bringing another Ardat-Yakshi daughter into the world.

I find that dumb since only purebloods can have Ardat-Yakshi.
But she might get hurt by Shepard's death.

She is a pureblood, so she can have Ardat-Yakshi children.  Nothing says that the children themselves must also be pureblood.

No, only pureblood children can become AY.  That's one reason why pureblood mating is discouraged.

[Fiery Phoenix]

In my opinion, the ones that can actually end up with a child are:

- Ashley/Kaidan

- Liara

- Jacob



I would say Jack and Kelly, but I'm not too sure of the former, and you don't even have sex with Kelly if you romance her, so...

[ObserverStatus]

What about Doctor Solus? He's pretty smart, I'll bet he could figure out how to make a scary hybrid baby.

[Aradace]

As long as having a child is "optional" I guess I wouldnt mind the concept. If it were sprung on me and forced down my throat I would seriously go back, delete all my data, and start over from scratch with ME1 and make sure to stay single all the way through ME3 lol. I seriously despise kids that much. But again, make it an "option" by offering some sort of contraceptive before hand and I'll get on board with the idea. Otherwise, I have to quote The Sten and say "No." lol

Modifié par Aradace, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[didymos1120]

Aradace, here's a quote from Aethyta, since you seem fond of her as an example:  "Scientists say all that stuff about us getting genetic material from the father is crap."  She jokes that she got her father's mouth, but the guy raised her.  I.e., she simply adopted some of his speech patterns through good old-fashioned nurture, not nature.

Erinya at Baria Frontiers will also say that other species don't contribute anything that background radiation doesn't already. 

And then there's The Blue Rose Of Ilium, who will mention how she explained to her krogan boyfriend that any children they had wouldn't really be his biologically speaking, and would not be krogan. At all.  They'd just be asari.

The idea that  other species actually contribute anything to the asari is, basically, superstition.  Folk science if you're being kind.  The only effect we know of for certain is that out-species bonding somehow avoids the Ardat-Yakshi problem, but that could easily be epigenetic.  Probably is, because it seems that two non-pureblood asari bonding are just as likely to produce an Ardat-Yakshi as those who come from long, pureblood-only lineages.

The need for a mate is mostly about initiating parthenogenesis.  It's actually rather similar to what some species of lizard here on Earth are known to do:

An interesting aspect to reproduction in these asexual lizards is that mating behaviors are still seen, although the populations are all female. One female plays the role played by the male in closely related species, and mounts the female that is about to lay eggs. This behaviour is due to the hormonal cycles of the females, which cause them to behave like males shortly after laying eggs, when levels of progesterone are high, and to take the female role in mating before laying eggs, when estrogen dominates. Lizards who act out the courtship ritual have greater fecundity than those kept in isolation, due to the increase in hormones that accompanies the mounting. So, although the populations lack males, they still require sexual behavioral stimuli for maximum reproductive success.

If the person who worked out the asari lore didn't have those lizards in mind at the time, I'd be pretty surprised as it's very, very similar.

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Tazzmission]

Shandepared wrote...

Liara cannot conceive a child with Shepard. Nor can any asari conceive a child with any non-asari.

[Edit 6 October 2010: Deleted insult. -- Pacifien] did you even play mass effect 1? liara tells you when you chat with her that asari prefer cross species relations. as far as the asari bartender from mass effect 2 is concerned i can agree that her dad was a krogan seeing as there was a scenario where you can have a asari continue dating a krogan or not on illium.

Modifié par Pacifien, 07 octobre 2010 - 03:51 .

[ObserverStatus]

Personally I doubt that Liara and Shepard will have kids, Liara is about 250 years away from her matron stage.

[didymos1120]

bobobo878 wrote...
If that's the way you want to think about it Asari can't conceive children with another asari either.

Strictly speaking, they don't.  If they did, then it wouldn't be parthenogenesis, which by definition means there's only one genetic (and female) parent.

[Aradace]

didymos1120 wrote...


Aradace, here's a quote from Aethyta, since you seem fond of her as an example:  "Scientists say all that stuff about us getting genetic material from the father is crap."  She jokes that she got her father's mouth, but the guy raised her.  I.e., she simply adopted some of his speech patterns through good old-fashioned nurture, not nature.

Erinya at Baria Frontiers will also say that other species don't contribute anything that background radiation doesn't already. 

And then there's The Blue Rose Of Ilium, who will mention how she explained to her krogan boyfriend that any children they had wouldn't really be his biologically speaking, and would not be krogan. At all.  They'd just be asari.

The idea that  other species actually contribute anything to the asari is, basically, superstition.  Folk science if you're being kind.  The only effect we know of for certain is that out-species bonding somehow avoids the Ardat-Yakshi problem, but that could easily be epigenetic.  Probably is, because it seems that two non-pureblood asari bonding are just as likely to produce an Ardat-Yakshi as those who come from long, pureblood-only lineages.

The need for a mate is mostly about initiating parthenogenesis.  It's actually rather similar to what some species of lizard here on Earth are known to do:

An interesting aspect to reproduction in these asexual lizards is that mating behaviors are still seen, although the populations are all female. One female plays the role played by the male in closely related species, and mounts the female that is about to lay eggs. This behaviour is due to the hormonal cycles of the females, which cause them to behave like males shortly after laying eggs, when levels of progesterone are high, and to take the female role in mating before laying eggs, when estrogen dominates. Lizards who act out the courtship ritual have greater fecundity; than those kept in isolation, due to the increase in hormones that accompanies the mounting. So, although the populations lack males, they still require sexual behavioral stimuli for maximum reproductive success.

Ok, now that is something I can get on board with.  I honestly thought that the Asari at  Baria frontiers was just being bitter.  Didnt actually think she was being "serious".  That still doesnt explain Ardhat Yahkshi's really because arent they only a possibility when two Asari conceive?  If not, then it puts an interesting spin on things.  Hmm, I guess it's good you explained that because Im pretty sure Im not the only one that was confused about that (albiet probably one of a few but then again, I dont think about sex/reproducing/etc. as much as some do lol.).  And I like that you actually explained yourself instead of just saying I was wrong lol.  *shrugs* Anyway, looking at it like that...I kind of dont see the Asari in the same light as I used to.  In fact, it's kind of, repulsive in a way.  Maybe it was the whole lizard thing, I dont know.  But now every time I see an Asari, Im going to think "Lizard" which in turn is going to make me want to wretch....gahhhhh *shakes fist at air* Didymos!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par Aradace, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:57 .

[Tazzmission]

bobobo878 wrote...

Personally I doubt that Liara and Shepard will have kids, Liara is about 250 years away from her matron stage.

i dont know man because the romance you have with her in lotsb basicly points us into that direction of shepard marrying her and having blue children. shepards excuse about the other bootycalls hes done he can say something pimpish like im just getting it all out of my system for his wedding day

Modifié par Tazzmission, 12 septembre 2010 - 09:59 .

[didymos1120]

Tazzmission wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Liara cannot conceive a child with Shepard. Nor can any asari conceive a child with any non-asari.

[Edit 6 October 2010: Deleted insult. -- Pacifien] did you even play mass effect 1? liara tells you when you chat with her that asari prefer cross species relations. as far as the asari bartender from mass effect 2 is concerned i can agree that her dad was a krogan seeing as there was a scenario where you can have a asari continue dating a krogan or not on illium.

OK, here's the deal: conception is really a technical term when used in its biological sense.  It means fertilization of an egg by a sperm.  That simply does not happen with asari.  They're parthenogenetic (says so right in the Codex).  In cultural terms: yes of course, Aethyta's dad was a krogan.  He raised her and did all that dad-type stuff.  But genetically?  She had only one parent: her mom. 

Modifié par Pacifien, 07 octobre 2010 - 03:52 .