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[Aradace]

Tazzmission wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Or being my luck, I'd hook up with Miranda and somehow she miraculously ends up pregnant....Meaning Tali would be my only choice....Jeez, the more I think about it. The more it angers me ; ;

miranda will be the octomom of the me franchise minus the reality show

*bashes head into the wall* That would be about right too lol

lol imagine miranda popping out 8 kids each showing resembles to male squad mates on the normandy.....

and now my mind goes to The 41 Year Old Virgin who Knocked up Sarah Marshall and felt Superbad About it XD

[didymos1120]

hismastersvoice wrote...
Of course not. They do however provide the rearrangement pattern for the mother's genes, as stated in a codex quote in this thread, and rearranging genes is, like, 95% of the reason for mating. And if the child's genes are rearranged in accordance with the pattern based on the "father's" imput then it's perfectly feasible for it to have it's "father's" character or minor morphological traits.

Not really: genes are highly context-dependent for their "meaning".    A gene isn't an eye-color gene because that specific  sequence is just the instantiation of some eternal "eye-color gene" form.  Even for a coding gene, much of the actual protein produced may not be necessary for the function it performs.  I.e., there's a lot of arbitrary, "just 'cause" stuff going on that's just the result of historical contingencies.

There's really no good reason to think just sticking any non-asari (or more accurately, non-Thessian) genetic sequence (whatever method you use to do that, be it by "melding randomization" or with lab gear) into an asari genome would even work at all, much less be expressed in just such a way as to have the same phenotypic result as it would in krogan or a human or whatever.  That's not even guaranteed here on this planet, where everything really is genetically related.  Yeah, it works far more often than not, but that's only because we share nearly identical genetic "contexts" with most species. 

And given that convergently evolved features tend to involve completely different, non-homologous genes (if they didn't, then they wouldn't be convergent.  Not all of them of course.  A lot of the basic genetic machinery gets re-used constantly), the fact that so many species are bipedal and humanoid doesn't make the odds of it working at all better.  The turians and quarians outright kill that idea dead, what with them being in the chiral minority but looking far more similar to humans than the hanar, which are on the same chiral "team".

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:06 .

[VampireCommando]

Honestly i can't see it hapening, even in a uber paragon ending where everyone survives. It would just ruin it IMO.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

asari baby from liara my shepards already done her 2 times and no kids

[Whailor]

VampireCommando wrote...

Honestly i can't see it hapening, even in a uber paragon ending where everyone survives. It would just ruin it IMO.

Well, my char is then obviously more competent then yours and can do so that everyone is saved. And it ruins absolutely nothing for me.

[Xalena]

I think that Shepard is infertile... dunno why, but I got that feeling. And Shepard may not know that... So I guess there won't be any kids and I imagine end of Shepard something similar to ending in Blade Runner and I wish something like that I mean on this . I think that Shepard liftime is limited like lifetime of this Cyborg in Blade Runner.

Modifié par Xalena, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:04 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

there is no need for a baby in the ME universe... alternatively, put it in ME5 when I have finished playing

[Legbiter]

No crotchspawn in my Mass Effect please. This is a subject for cloying fanfic.

[Xilizhra]

I'd have no objection to it. It's not vital, but I can see it working with Liara at least.

[hismastersvoice]

didymos1120 wrote...

Not really: genes are highly context-dependent for their "meaning".    A gene isn't an eye-color gene because that specific  sequence is just the instantiation of some eternal "eye-color gene" form.  Even for a coding gene, much of the actual protein produced may not be necessary for the function it performs.  I.e., there's a lot of arbitrary, "just 'cause" stuff going on that's just the result of historical contingencies.

Um, so? The genes in the Asari are still context-dependent, it's just the context orginates from just one parent and the map is a composite of both parents maps.

didymos1120 wrote...

There's really no good reason to think just sticking any non-asari (or more accurately, non-Thessian) genetic sequence (whatever method you use to do that, be it by "melding randomization" or with lab gear) into an asari genome would even work at all, much less be expressed in just such a way as to have the same phenotypic result as it would in krogan or a human or whatever.  That's not even guaranteed here on this planet, where everything really is genetically related.  Yeah, it works far more often than not, but that's only because we share nearly identical genetic "contexts" with most species.

Sorry, but you're trying to apply common genetic conventions to a made up alien species. If the Asari can meld with other species and effectively map their whole genome for reproduction purposes there's nothing preventing the process from being context sensitive, recognizing connections between specific sequences and assigning them appropriately within the Asari genome framework in a randomised fashion. Yes, it's possible only becasue we have this magical mumbo jumbo inserted into the process and it wouldn't work with real gene recombination but facts only go that far in s-f.

The bottom line is that we know that the mate's geneome map is used as means of Asari DNA recombination. There are multiple common sense hurdles here, but once you get past them (presumably by applying It's-SF-So-Suck-It-Up blowtorch to them) having an Asari child be born with Shepards grey eyes (or whatever the color of his eyes is) is easy.

Modifié par hismastersvoice, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Chaia]

I think some people have already posted this (can't quite remember as the few pages have become a blur of flame war, which is now hopefully over) but Liara won't be able to have children for a couple of hundred years until she reaches the next stage in her life, I know the games say if the asari melds alot (and some other factors that I've forgotten about) then they can move onto the next stage of their life quicker, but I had the feeling they meant a couple of decades not a couple of centures.

So really the characters that can't have children (with Shepard) are: Garrus, Tali, Liara (because of her age), Samara/Morinth, Mordin, Thane, Gunt , Jack (perhaps) and Miranda (thats if the dossiers are in fact correct)

The ones he/she can have children with, including DLC: Jacob, Ashley, Kaiden, Zaeed and Kasumi (but perhaps with fertility treatment Jack and Miranda)

Modifié par Chaia, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[Fhaileas]

Alien-human hybrid children are completely impossible without technology that borders on magical.

Some humans can't even have babies with each other, and chimpanzees, a species that is only 2% different from us and evolved in a very similar environment, are completely incompatible.

An alien race that evolved on a far away planet under totally different environments and stresses would have no chance whatsoever of being able to breed with humans.

The Asari are simply hyper-anthromorphized alien prostitutes with bicycle helmets that forsake science for the sake of good story telling. Props to Bioware for their amazing games (at least prior to ME2), but how could a race that evolved on one planet gain the ability to change their very genetic all the way down to the base proteins and amino acids that form every cell in their body? Such an ability, and the capability to do it on the spot, would require hundreds of millions of years in contact with other races and a hell of a lot of technological modification to evolve.

And even according to Mass Effect Lore, the Asari don't use the alien genetics for much at all. Just to "Randomize the genes a little," Which effectively means Asexual reproduction with a couple of base pair changes here and there. In effect, even that stretch of the imagination, Asari and aliens having babies, doesn't do much.

Ergo, No cross species hybrids.

Modifié par Fhaileas, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[hismastersvoice]

Fhaileas wrote...

And even according to Mass Effect Lore, the Asari don't use the alien genetics for much at all. Just to "Randomize the genes a little," Which effectively means Asexual reproduction with a couple of base pair changes here and there. In effect, even that stretch of the imagination, Asari and aliens having babies, doesn't do much.

Ergo, No cross species hybrids.

Well, if you consider "ramdomizing the genes a little" equal to asexual reproduction, them apparenlty humans do reproduce asexually too, since all the happens during conception is "a little randomizing" of moslty identical gene sequences.

[krimesh]

hismastersvoice wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

And even according to Mass Effect Lore, the Asari don't use the alien genetics for much at all. Just to "Randomize the genes a little," Which effectively means Asexual reproduction with a couple of base pair changes here and there. In effect, even that stretch of the imagination, Asari and aliens having babies, doesn't do much.

Ergo, No cross species hybrids.

Well, if you consider "ramdomizing the genes a little" equal to asexual reproduction, them apparenlty humans do reproduce asexually too, since all the happens during conception is "a little randomizing" of moslty identical gene sequences.

Nah, you can't put it like that.
Still, while an asari will always give birth to another asari, there are enough reasons to believe (as I explained before) that the offspring will inherit characteristics from the father, no matter what species. Species mixing, no. But passing on characteristics, yes. This is quite a sensible way to reproduce for a human - they can do it even when they can't have children with other humans, like Miranda. (Also, who knows what effects Shepard's reconstruction had...) If you feel that humanity is left behind by this kind of behavior, well, 15 minutes at a sperm bank, or donate an egg cell. There you go.
Which leads me back on topic: Children? BLUE.

Modifié par krimesh, 12 septembre 2010 - 02:46 .

[vigna]

Dave of Canada wrote...

easygame88 wrote...

The "father" doesn't contribute any genes but the mother can pick and choose desirable traits to pass on to the child during the meld. Which is why other species are more sought-after, they will have more unique traits. That is at least how I understood it. I could be wrong though I guess.

But that's the common idea spread through the Asari as a whole, dialogue in ME2 suggests otherwise that nothing is gained from the father species. A human / asari child is as much the same as a krogan / asari or asari / asari.

I thought the whole point was that instead of an Asari daughter being an exact genetic copy getting another species to mate with randomized genetic material....this creates diverse genetic structure.

Am I wrong?

[thepaladin1]

8 pages of Trolling wow lol

[Kenshen]

bobobo878 wrote...

Personally I doubt that Liara and Shepard will have kids, Liara is about 250 years away from her matron stage.

My understanding from ME1 is Liara is either a late teen or early twenties age wise compared to a human.  Unless I have missed something she could produce a child if the disire was there which I think it would be considering all that Shep and her have been through and if you have romanced her.  It seems Liara has had anything but a normal life so she could be the exception not the rule.  However one nice thing about RPGs is we can fill that void ourselfs if the writers do not so really no one is wrong.

[Exile Isan]

My Shepard already adopted a child: Grunt.

[VampireCommando]

Exile Isan wrote...

My Shepard already adopted a child: Grunt.

:lol:

[Shadow_broker]

Exile Isan wrote...

My Shepard already adopted a child: Grunt.

YAY!
I would also like a requestion form for legion, He looks just like shepard!

[Quinnzel]

I wanna see a whole load of teeny Asari girls running around their parents shooting toy guns at each other, drawing beards on themselves and proclaiming "My Dads Commander Shepard, and I'm his favourite daughter on the Citadel"

[MassEffect762]

Sci-Fi Science: Anything is possible.

[Badpie]

Mesina2 wrote...

This isn't Fable 2 to have children.

This. Dear god I hope they don't bring canon babies into this.  Ugh.  I'm perfectly happy to think sometime maybe down the line my male Shep and Ashley might get a little .....surprise, but I don't want this to happen in anything other than my imagination.  

Putting babies in game or the suggestion of them would be fail.

[Bryy_Miller]

Tazzmission wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

just stop because seriously man your nothing but a troll,

And linking videos trying to call me a virgin and such is such quality posting.

dont dish it if you cant take it, you came up in here with your bs saying  ill have what your smoking wich btw is a insult. now pipe down and let the grown ups continue with this discussion

A common phrase dictating that he doesn't believe you versus you calling him a virgin?

I think I see a flaw in your logic.

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

You know, prior to first contact, I wonder how the asari randomized their DNA.

Do you suppose they, well, you know. It's probably not something they'd talk about. It would make sense though.

Why you're absolutely right, they probably didn't take proper safety precautions when handling radioactive waste.  I was thinking the same thing.  Either that, or there homeworld has a weaker magnetic fhield than earth.

Modifié par bobobo878, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:11 .