Zulu_DFA wrote...
- The Reapers don't need to use the Citadel to get in the Milky Way. Check.
- The Reapers don't need to use the Citadel early in the invasion. Check.
So far so good. Well, except maybe for the problem that it's less effective the way they're going about it right now.
VIGIL'S LIES
One thing about Vigil is that its story makes no sense.
Maybe.. let's see shall we?
1. "datafile" wasn't anti-reaper, it was meant for control of the Citadel mainframe. Besides, Ilos knew about the Reapers, it's logical to assume they would've designed something before going to the Citadel that would allow them to control the Citadel.
2. It's quite well explained actually, the Reapers use the databanks of the Citadel to gain knowledge of the various planets a species inhabits. Ilos wasn't on it, top-secret and all. They might try to pull this information from indoctrinated servants aswell, but that would mean they had to indoctrinate one of a ridiculously small size of knowledgeable people.
Asari could've just found it when they went by the system actually, shouldn't be too hard. They've found evidence of various other species way before Protheans, why not Ilos? Reapers may even have found it aswell, but as there were no life signatures on the planet, and maybe even a hidden energy signal.. how could they know?
The replica Mass Relay is actually one-point only, they might have had trouble finding out where it came from, or they might not have even known it functions instead of it just being a statue.
3. Human husks look like humans. Obviously Prothean husks would look like Protheans no?
4. Well... it did probably use quite a bit of energy during the talk you had with it. In all the other years it probably was just in sleep-mode.
5. Yes, because it's so easy to get Geth on the Citadel... next?
6. I do not see how this is a lie? Or are you postulating that Chorban is also lying? And that the Reaper just wants to do it the baller way? Bring Sovereign back please, he's badass!
(50.000 years is only an estimate, 5000 years more or less depending on how fast a civilization develops can happen.)
Zulu_DFA wrote...
My answers are these:
Hm, I think answers are no good when the questions posed are already flawed. Won't bother.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
REAPERS' PLANS
It would make perfect sense, if the Reapers had a more profound plan, than just "Come, Reap, Return to Base". I mean, if the Protheans were indoctrinated for several generations, as Mordin infers, they could be used for some purposes such as preparing the next cycle, before being exterminated, except for the C-Base crew.
The harvested civilizations not only provide the Reapers with resources to maintain their "eternal" exisetnce, but also prepare (uplift) species that are on the verge (or maybe even not so much) of becoming sapient on their own, to make sure that in 50K years a new "harvest" is ripe. To reap a more ample harvest, it's essential to cultivate the crop at all times. That's the meaning behind Sovereign's claim that the Reapers impose order over chaos.
So, when Harbinger says "your species has the attention of those infinitely greater", it may be a reference to the times immemorial (for us). And the Protheans studied the early humans 50K years ago and put that cache of cool stuff on Mars per the Reapers' instructions.
Now this makes a bit more sense. While the architecture between Protheans and Collectors seems wildly different (and so they should see the difference of what I'm about to say with other Prothean artifacts if it's the case), the Cro-Magnon investigation on Earth by 'Protheans' didn't make much sense to me. Earliest evidence of Cro-Magnons on Earth is 35.000BC, Prothean wipe-out is 48.000BC. What gives Bioware?
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO THE PROTHEANS
Guided by the Reapers, passively via the Citadel / mass relays scheme, and actively via the Collectors' predecessors from beyond the Omega-4 relay, the Protheans reached some sufficiently high technological level, and among other things started to cybernetically augment themselves, becoming "trans-Protheans". If there were other intelligent/spacefaring races in the Galaxy at that time, the Protheans subjugated and assimilated or exterminated them.
Then the Reapers showed up in person, said "Hai gaiz!" and did their thing - finished the trasnsformation of the Protheans into Collectors and possibly "ascended" some of them to the reaperhood. The Protheans were already morally prepped for this, and welcomed the Reapers. Maybe they even staged a little galaxy-wide celebration with some techno-style carol singing. And their Reaper bosses gave them a whole week off. Because they still had a job to do.
Per the Reapers' instructions, the Protheans/Collectors spent the final times of their existence preparing the next cycle - uplifting a few new "promising" races, including the Humans. When this task was done, the previous "crew" of the strategic station beyond the Omega-4 relay was replaced with the Collectors, and the entire husk of the Prothean civilization in the rest of the Galaxy was momentarily extinguished.
This is the meaning of the Beacon vision, and this is what Harbinger had in prospect for the Humans too.
Possibly, but no way of knowing though. I'd say this is unlikely though, for why would they change their way for the current races?
Zulu_DFA wrote...
MORE FACTS
Gianna Parasini says something about "everyone" (read: "nobody in particular") suddenly interested in the dark energy, which, according to Tali, seems to be behind the Haestrom's star aging. Maybe the Reapers want to learn about their mistake?
This dark energy anomalies may be a natural phenomenon so rare, that the Reapers have overlooked it so far... Or it may be something else, like the work of those Klencory's "beings of light", or an accumulated side effect of the billions of years of Reapers' own activities... Not enough data to even take guesses here.
But the facts are:
dark energy => stars age fast.
stars age => they go supernovae
Mu Relay's star went supernova, apparenlty "without warning" to be seen during the previous cycle.
You said it yourself, not enough data to even take guesses here. Other than the facts stated at the end, we don't know what it pertains.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
MAIN POINT
It was the supernova, that "blew away" the Mu Relay, that gave the current generation of life a chance against the Reapers. Why didn't the Reapers predict it? Because the stars have a few surprizes, even for them, like that of Haestrom's star, that is aging "all of a sudden".
Eh... since when did blowing away the Mu Relay give the current generation a better chance against the Reapers? It could also have been the very opposite, current generation finding Ilos sooner, and thus be better prepared.
But yes, to think everything is predictable is crazy. The universe is chaotic, one cannot predict chaos.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
TRIVIA
Also, this is a most irrational argument in support of this theory, but still. BioWare is known to be geeky about the Greek mythology. The Codex entry draws an analogy between Ilos and Troy. Moreover, the dude by the name Ilos was the founder of ancient Troy. What do we have associated with Troy, except for the awful movie with Bred Pitt? The Troyan Horse. Which gave name to a class of malicious software. So, Shepard was given some unknown "datafile" on a "Troy" planet and put it into the Galaxy's most important computer. RRRRRight.
It's actually quite good, yet you fail at the end. The "Troy" reference could very well refer to it being a Trojan horse AGAINST the Citadel mainframe and the Reapers. Good detective work, yet we can't bind a conclusion to what it means.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
A side note: By now, I think, the Leviathan of Dis was Sovereign itself. Check the dating: Dr. Shu Qian's co-research with a Batarian scientist started a couple of years after the Batarians allegedly extracted the Leviathan.
And Ilos was probably the Protheans' planet of origin.
Possibly, yet I think it's more likely to be a starship of those 'beings of light'. Matter of opinion though.
Modifié par Zavox, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:37 .
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