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[Wulfram]

I'd guess Kirkwall has a fairly large Elven population, based on what we know of its history.

[Dave of Canada]

It's really, really hard to roleplay a Dwarf who believes Dwarves should cut off all contact with the surface or a Dalish Elf that believes in keeping Elves strong when all I can romance are humans for a hetero romance. This especially made my Dalish cry elfy tears because human / elf pairings result in humans.

[Virginian]

I rather my total party be almost completely human. One or two Elves and no more than one dwarf.



I can't relate to people who speak about the stone like it was alive and some kind of god/messiah.



Dalish Elves remind of them tree hugging hippies chaining themselves to trees.



City Elves remind me of downtown.

[0rz0]

I prefer humans. I think it may be because humans have a much larger personality scope and less cliches to abide by. Or maybe I'm a racist or something, I cant really tell.

[OmbradelCerberos]

I prefer humans as well, one elf, one dwarf and one qunari are enough for me, to be honest.

However, I could care less about their race if the personality is interesting.

[elfdwarf]

in free marches city elves going worship qun or maker.

[Vegielamb]

Elves are underrepresented due to a vocal minority of elf haters. Dwarves just never get no respect.

[Vegielamb]

Virginian wrote...

I rather my total party be almost completely human. One or two Elves and no more than one dwarf.

I can't relate to people who speak about the stone like it was alive and some kind of god/messiah.

Dalish Elves remind of them tree hugging hippies chaining themselves to trees.

City Elves remind me of downtown.

I'd rather my whole party be non humans. Humans are vanilla boring. They're the timid choice. I play fantasy games so that I can get away from humans.

[SirShreK]

Vegielamb wrote...

I'd rather my whole party be non humans. Humans are vanilla boring. They're the timid choice. I play fantasy games so that I can get away from humans.

Riight. Another Fantasy illiterate (sorry). Just check up what low-fantasy means.

[Vegielamb]

0rz0 wrote...

I prefer humans. I think it may be because humans have a much larger personality scope and less cliches to abide by. Or maybe I'm a racist or something, I cant really tell.

Humans are the most clichéd. They're the average race that gets to be viewed as the best and most heroic. Why can't the non humans be the heroes and the humans the villain race for once? The narcissistic  human naval staring is not flattering.

[Durang]

Hoping for a qunari (one that doesn't follow the Qun, not sure what those are called) female, not one like Sten. And she should have horns.

[OmbradelCerberos]

Vegielamb wrote...

0rz0 wrote...

I prefer humans. I think it may be because humans have a much larger personality scope and less cliches to abide by. Or maybe I'm a racist or something, I cant really tell.

Humans are the most clichéd. They're the average race that gets to be viewed as the best and most heroic. Why can't the non humans be the heroes and the humans the villain race for once? The narcissistic  human naval staring is not flattering.

Actually in most works I have seen so far, the humans are the oppressors of all the other races and generally not very heroic as a whole.

[Vegielamb]

SirShreK wrote...

Vegielamb wrote...

I'd rather my whole party be non humans. Humans are vanilla boring. They're the timid choice. I play fantasy games so that I can get away from humans.

Riight. Another Fantasy illiterate (sorry). Just check up what low-fantasy means.

I'm well aware what low fantasy is and it has nothing to do not playing other races. Either way, it's irrelavent: there are dwarves and elves and qunari in DA, so why shouldn't we get a game or so with more of those races than humans. It's not like they don't have communities.

[Cariborne]

Alistair/Loghain, Leliana, Morrigan, Wynne are the Humans in Origins. With Anders and Nathanial being the Humans in Awakening.



With the Human to Other Ratio, you have 5 Humans in Origins, 5 Non-Humans, that's a nice Ratio to me, as half are Human, and the other half aren't. In Awakening you have 2 Humans, 2 Dwarves, an Elf and a Spirit. That's a Pie-Chart Ratio in my eyes.



Anyways, long story short, I find the Ratio is fine, we're supposed to see a lot of humans, and we do.

[Vegielamb]

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Vegielamb wrote...

0rz0 wrote...

I prefer humans. I think it may be because humans have a much larger personality scope and less cliches to abide by. Or maybe I'm a racist or something, I cant really tell.

Humans are the most clichéd. They're the average race that gets to be viewed as the best and most heroic. Why can't the non humans be the heroes and the humans the villain race for once? The narcissistic  human naval staring is not flattering.

Actually in most works I have seen so far, the humans are the oppressors of all the other races and generally not very heroic as a whole.

I acctually haven't found many fantasy works with "evil humanity" as a theme. I have seen it a bit more in scifi. I also haven't seen it much in videogames. There are a lot of RPG games out there where evil=alien.

[SirShreK]

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Vegielamb wrote...

0rz0 wrote...

I prefer humans. I think it may be because humans have a much larger personality scope and less cliches to abide by. Or maybe I'm a racist or something, I cant really tell.

Humans are the most clichéd. They're the average race that gets to be viewed as the best and most heroic. Why can't the non humans be the heroes and the humans the villain race for once? The narcissistic  human naval staring is not flattering.

Actually in most works I have seen so far, the humans are the oppressors of all the other races and generally not very heroic as a whole.

What makes it more disturbing is that this tendency of essentially self-loathing is growing with every new work of fiction that hits the market and is more popular. e.g. In Vampires vs. Humans subtypes, guess who are the heroes today? Thank god for Blade.

[mellifera]

Virginian wrote...

I rather my total party be almost completely human. One or two Elves and no more than one dwarf.

I can't relate to people who speak about the stone like it was alive and some kind of god/messiah.

Dalish Elves remind of them tree hugging hippies chaining themselves to trees.

City Elves remind me of downtown.

Because there are no fanatical humans, no evil humans, no humans that worship things you consider weird (dragon cults!)?

I don't see how being respectful of and worshipping the stone or nature (which you can see and has sustained your people in many ways by providing shelter, safety, and the means to live and support your family) is any weirder than people who worship an entity they have never seen, that may or may not exist and that basically told all of humanity to ****** off.

You seem to have issues with characters who don't abide by your views. I don't really understand why a character has to be just like you in order for you to like them or 'relate' to them. You can be friends with people who are vastly different than you, don';t look like you, don't share the same traditions and religions as you and who you disagree with. I don't see why it should be any different here, especially when you don't even have to be friends, just a common goal you're fighting for.

Modifié par yukidama, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:34 .

[Collider]

Variety is the spice of life. Some more variation would be nice in the DA2 party. Although considering the setting I'm not sure we'll see as many non-humans we did in DA:O.

[Wishpig]

Vegielamb wrote...

OmbradelCerberos wrote...

Vegielamb wrote...

0rz0 wrote...

I prefer humans. I think it may be because humans have a much larger personality scope and less cliches to abide by. Or maybe I'm a racist or something, I cant really tell.

Humans are the most clichéd. They're the average race that gets to be viewed as the best and most heroic. Why can't the non humans be the heroes and the humans the villain race for once? The narcissistic  human naval staring is not flattering.

Actually in most works I have seen so far, the humans are the oppressors of all the other races and generally not very heroic as a whole.

I acctually haven't found many fantasy works with "evil humanity" as a theme. I have seen it a bit more in scifi. I also haven't seen it much in videogames. There are a lot of RPG games out there where evil=alien.

Really? You must not have played many fantasy videogames... i'll give two quick examples

1. The Witcher. Obvious example. Humans are the main baddies and have utterly crushed elves, dwarves and the like.

2. Warcraft 3. Summed up. The horde became the good guys, hoping to redeemn themselves and forge a better future. The humans refused to forgive and continued to slaughter the orcs and their allies who really just wanted peace. After a treaty was signed that did bring them to peace... the humans were the ones to break it and kill orcs. The Frozen throne really made humanity out to be the bad guys though... having them turn on and backstab the blood elves... betraying and nearly wiping out their old allies.

Yes thats right. Warcraft 3 did the humans enslaving and mistreating elves before DA:O did. Unlike the DA:O elves, these elves fled to another dimension though.

Modifié par Wishpig, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:42 .

[Vegielamb]

Wishpig wrote...

Vegielamb wrote...

I acctually haven't found many fantasy works with "evil humanity" as a theme. I have seen it a bit more in scifi. I also haven't seen it much in videogames. There are a lot of RPG games out there where evil=alien.

Really? You must not have played many fantasy videogames... i'll give two quick examples

1. The Witcher. Obvious example. Humans are the main baddies and have utterly crushed elves, dwarves and the like.

2. Warcraft 3. Summed up. The horde became the good guys, hoping to redeemn themselves and forge a better future. The humans refused to forgive and continued to slaughter the orcs and their allies who really just wanted peace. After a treaty was signed that did bring them to peace... the humans were the ones to break it and kill orcs. The Frozen throne really made humanity out to be the bad guys though... having them turn on and backstab the blood elves... betraying and nearly wiping out their old allies.

Yeah, I love The Witcher for that. <3 Which brings me back to my problem with not having other races in most RPGs: The problem with most of these attempts to show humanity is evil is that they fudge on it by making the average person not so evil, so that it becomes human government/politics is evil, but not humans. That's a copout. Then they make other races into xenophobic bigots without pointing out the hypocrisy of the human viewpoint. Sure, peasants don't get a say in what gets done, but if they immediately blame the next problem on the outsider race and try to kill them, they’ve show their true colors. The Witcher did this beautifully.

[Shepard Lives]

Wishpig wrote...

Being that we can only play as a human character, I think the following is a must. Fewer human companions more dwarves/elves/quanri/ect companions. If we can't play a dwarf or an elf, at least give us a few various dwarf and elf personalities to chose from!

As opposed to DA:O + Awakening where there was like 1 elf/dwarf for every 6 humans.

Am I alone in this? What do you guys think?

Agreed.
Although, as long as they are good characters I don't care much.

[MarginalBeast]

I do want human companions, but not too many. Humans you can find anywhere in real life, so in my fantasy games, I prefer to be surrounded by fantasy races. But that's just me.



I'm 99% sure that Varric is going to be a companion, so that's one dwarf. We'll probably get at least one qunari and one elf as well (but hopefully more). I just hope there are a good amount of recruitable characters in the first place.