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[ImoenBaby]

Wishpig wrote...

What are the chances a hero trying to save his sister and the world would actually team up with a Dark Elf, a murdering dwarf, a dude that talks to a hampster, a noble brat, ect.

LOL   

As long as these non-human companions were as interesting as just about everyone else Bioware's created, then yeah, I'd be down with that.  I don't really consider the race important though.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

As long as the personalities are engaging and the NPC stories are good, I don't care about their race so much. I think it is kind of rediculous to have a fantasy RPG world with other intellegent races and not include them in the party. Hopefully there will be plenty of interesting characters, both human and not since Hawke has to be human. I enjoyed the Origins of DA:O, it offered a great opportunity to see the world through the eyes of a dwarf or elf, instead of having to read or hear about it in a monologue of a traveling companion (i.e. the traditional route taken by nearly every game).

[NKKKK]

David Graider: Lol Screw you fans.

[Darkchipper07]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

As long as the personalities are engaging and the NPC stories are good, I don't care about their race so much. I think it is kind of rediculous to have a fantasy RPG world with other intellegent races and not include them in the party. Hopefully there will be plenty of interesting characters, both human and not since Hawke has to be human. I enjoyed the Origins of DA:O, it offered a great opportunity to see the world through the eyes of a dwarf or elf, instead of having to read or hear about it in a monologue of a traveling companion (i.e. the traditional route taken by nearly every game).

but they have book, comics, and upcoming anime/cartoon so they can fit that there all we need is a musical.

[Vandrayke]

Dwarves and elves are hopefully on the decline and will be slowly shoved into the shadows.

[wwwwowwww]

NKKKK wrote...

David Graider: Lol Screw you fans.

hmmmmmmmmm I didn't get that at all. Not to mention considering how much the games have sold, I seriously doubt the majority of the fanbase is on this forum.

[Vandrayke]

wwwwowwww wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

David Graider: Lol Screw you fans.

hmmmmmmmmm I didn't get that at all. Not to mention considering how much the games have sold, I seriously doubt the majority of the fanbase is on this forum.

As an aside, I think everyone should be required to take a statistics course and a basic marketing course in high school, if only to become more savvy consumers

[NKKKK]

If by "fanbase" you mean pick up the game and then stop playing, then yes, they don't post in this forum.

[wwwwowwww]

NKKKK wrote...

If by "fanbase" you mean pick up the game and then stop playing, then yes, they don't post in this forum.

I know many people that have played the game thru multiple times, who play all bioware games, and not set one foot in these forums.  I see the same people on here night in and night out, with the exception of 1 or 2 new people popping up, and if your saying the majority "fanbase" is only so big as that I can recognize most of their names on this forum, then Bioware is in more trouble than most seem to think they are.

I get the impression that your version of "fanbase" is what you want, and if they don't listen to you then they aren't listening to the fans.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Darkchipper07 wrote...


but they have book, comics, and upcoming anime/cartoon so they can fit that there all we need is a musical.

You forgot about Dragon Age: The Ice Capades! It will be coming to a town near you, check for listings. They say a mabari can be trained to do nearly anything...and they were right.

[PsyrenY]

wwwwowwww wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

David Graider: Lol Screw you fans.

hmmmmmmmmm I didn't get that at all. Not to mention considering how much the games have sold, I seriously doubt the majority of the fanbase is on this forum.

Certainly the majority is not supporting this poorly thought-out thread.
Thedas is mostly human, the party is mostly human. It's not rocket science.

[Valus]

David Gaider wrote...

....we'll stick to the party as a microcosm of the setting. And that's as far as it goes.

That seemed to be a defining point of DA:O to me. Every NPC tagalong seemed to be an embodiment of some certain aspect of the world, if not an aspect then perhaps an emotional or mental state personified. While some seemed to bring little more than cultural differences to the crew (Sten being a prime example in my mind) they always brought along some dark emotional baggage that the player (provided they aren't some sheltered preteen who shouldn't be playing this game anyhow) could really identify with.

In fact the racial chars like Oghren always seemed to live up to a stereotype that cheapened them in a finite way. I think Bioware went to great pains to avoid this as much as possible but it is unavoidable in ways. Correct me if I am wrong but the choice to show city Elves in such depth and not to have dwarves all speak with a random Scottish accent was an attempt at this. Kind of trying to break that predetermined fantasy setting mold people have in their heads but not pulling us too far out of our 'comfort zone'. Dwarves still live underground and drink alot afterall.

I loved them but it was the humans that always had such depth because they more believably embodied ideals and personal demons we could identify with. Unless that changes and they pull a future game into a region that isn't primarily populated by humans then why should that change?

At any rate I think as long as we see more of that style of writing  we will have memorable chars again, regardless of their race.

Modifié par Valus, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:22 .

[Leonia]

Valus wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

....we'll stick to the party as a microcosm of the setting. And that's as far as it goes.

That seemed to be a defining point of DA:O to me. Every NPC tagalong seemed to be an embodiment of some certain aspect of the world, if not an aspect then perhaps an emotional or mental state personified. While some seemed to bring little more than cultural differences to the crew (Sten being a prime example in my mind) they always brought along some dark emotional baggage that the player (provided they aren't some sheltered preteen who shouldn't be playing this game anyhow) could really identify with.

In fact the racial chars like Oghren always seemed to live up to a stereotype that cheapened them in a finite way. I think Bioware went to great pains to avoid this as much as possible but it is unavoidable in ways. Correct me if I am wrong but the choice to show city Elves in such depth and not to have dwarves all speak with a random Scottish accent was an attempt at this. Kind of trying to break that predetermined fantasy setting mold people have in their heads but not pulling us too far out of our 'comfort zone'. Dwarves still live underground and drink alot afterall.

I loved them but it was the humans that always had such depth because they more believably embodied ideals and personal demons we could identify with. Unless that changes and they pull a future game into a region that isn't primarily populated by humans then why should that change?

At any rate I think as long as we see more of that style of writing  we will have memorable chars again, regardless of their race.

/Agreed

I don't see "race" so much as I see interesting characters with interesting backgrounds and personal demons that they may or may not have to face up to. That's what makes characters unique and special. Not what their hair colour is, their skin tone, their weapon preference, their sexual preference, or their race. Races add a nice element of diversity, sure, but at the end of the day there isn't much that seperates the races in Thedas other than their views on the world.

On an individual level, everyone is well.. an individual. Maybe their upbringing has an impact on that, maybe their life experiences impact who they are.. those things may or may not have something to do with that character's racial background but at the end of the day, he or she is still an individual.

Kudos to Bioware for writing such memorable characters.

Modifié par leonia42, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:42 .

[Wulfram]

In DA:O, I would have liked to see another elf - particularly since Zevran doesn't really give you an insiders perspective on elven society.



On the other hand, an even more striking thing about that set of characters was the presence of only one Fereldan native.

[Bruddajakka]

I actually tend to prefer human companions because the non human ones with some exceptions almost always come off as stereotypes. Yes that can be said about any character in a fantasy game but with human companions you can avoid things like the Drunken Dwarven Berserker, or the Hippie Elven Druid.

[Valus]

Wulfram wrote...

In DA:O, I would have liked to see another elf - particularly since Zevran doesn't really give you an insiders perspective on elven society.

On the other hand, an even more striking thing about that set of characters was the presence of only one Fereldan native.

'The elves are a lithe, pointy-eared people who excel at poverty."  What else is there to know?

[Wishpig]

Darkchipper07 wrote...
Confirmed all party members are human!

You new to the forums? It's been confirmed a long time ago, all party members are really Varric and one or two squirrels.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:00 .

[Bruddajakka]

Wishpig wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...
Confirmed all party members are human!

You new to the forums? It's been confirmed a long time ago, all party members are really Varric and one or two squirrels.

And the only LI is your sister.

[Wishpig]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...
Confirmed all party members are human!

You new to the forums? It's been confirmed a long time ago, all party members are really Varric and one or two squirrels.

And the only LI is your sister.

Oh sweet incestial nectar!

[DrIggy]

@Topic: I do agree that there should be more various non-human characters in the player's party. Honestly, if I play a game with a fantasy setting, I don't do it to see humans in bulky knight armors all around - I do it because I want to see and learn about other races and creatures of that particular fantasy setting. So yeah, elves, dwarves, demons, spirits and whatever else the authors can think of. Just my two cents.

[Risax]

I thought the humans where a bit large in number in DA:O wich made sense because they where the one who had the most trouble with the Blight.

The dwarves have it a little easier during Blights and the Dalish can travel to another country. But the humans where OK as long as they had an intresting background like Morrigan or Allistar. But I didn't realy care for Wynne, and Leliana was OK I guess.



Personally I don't care if whe get a lot of Humans in DA 2, the Free Marches sounds like a melting pot of cultures with Nevarra, Antiva and Orlais close by.

[Vandrayke]

DrIggy wrote...

@Topic: I do agree that there should be more various non-human characters in the player's party. Honestly, if I play a game with a fantasy setting, I don't do it to see humans in bulky knight armors all around - I do it because I want to see and learn about other races and creatures of that particular fantasy setting. So yeah, elves, dwarves, demons, spirits and whatever else the authors can think of. Just my two cents.

See, I enjoy fantasy settings, but I despise elves and dwarves

[DrIggy]

I can understand that, but I'm pretty sure there are other non-human races, or creatures that you find interesting. After all, when it comes to fantasy, the imagination is limitless - anything goes. If it's just about armor, swords and feudalism, you don't need a fantasy setting for that, a medieval one will do just fine.

[Collider]

It's not so much that human party members are inherently inclined to be boring, it's that the character's race can contribute to them being more interesting. Consider a Dwarf who believes in the caste system. Or a Dalish Elf who is critical of what the Dalish have become.

[Vandrayke]

I understand what you're saying but I think that dwarves and elves are so trope-ified that they should be avoided at all costs.



Original-ish fantasy races? Bring them on; I like variety and new things.