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[jlb524]

I like to think Liara is just following some personal code...it's almost as if she owes a life debt to Shepard and Feron, as both saved her life once. Thus, she will do what she can to save them.



I don't see it as an unhealthy obsession.

[Nightwriter]

Why do obsessions always have to be unhealthy. Edison was obsessed with inventing the lightbulb. Thankfully now we don't have to use gas lamps or sit in the dark when we run out of lamp oil. How come if I say Liara was obsessed, it's a bad thing? It's not. She was deeply driven. She was consumed with finding Feron. Doesn't mean she was a wacko nutcase who needed to be committed or something.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 26 septembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

Why do obsessions always have to be unhealthy. Edison was obsessed with inventing the lightbulb. Thankfully now we don't have to use gas lamps or sit in the dark when we run out of lamp oil. How come if I say Liara was obsessed, it's a bad thing? It's not. She was deeply driven. She was consumed with finding Feron. Doesn't mean she was a wacko nutcase who needed to be committed or something.

Preach it sista!

That's why I say it's not an unhealthy obsession, but it is obsessive.   Liara is just a person with an obsessive personality.

[JamieCOTC]

Agree w/ OP 100%.

[Nethershadow]

tonnactus wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...
I don't buy someone who was just a good friend doing the things she did.

She did the same for feron.
If she isnt shepardts romance partner,she is just the best friend someone could have.

Agree 100%!!

For everything i've seen for the characters i def think that if anyone cares about Shep the most, it would be Liara.

Kaidan/Ash in ME2 seem to have become ruled by thier emotions to the point they allow it to throw common sense out the door and all they can focus on is that shep is part of cerberus. I mean, i have large responsibilities now as a high ranking alliance soldier, and i'm got there because i'm to professional to fly off the hook when terrorists save half a colony, i mean how dare they.

I also agree with that the more you care about someone, career / job ext takes second seat to such a deep relationship.

Military is a bit harder to be albe to do that, but they also have certain perks of the job they could call in. Based on what i've played thru, none of the dialog from the others suggest they did much looking at your death/dissappearance except Liara. Kaidan/Ash bust your chops that you were gone for 2 years, but it doesn't really sound like they made any attempts to really find out what happened exactly / where's your bod / or pay homage to the site of your death.

but ultimately i do believe all of the characters loved you and deeply respected you.

[Nethershadow]

double post, just took a while to update. my bad.. well slow servers bad.

Modifié par Nethershadow, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:02 .

[jlb524]

I don't think it can be said that Ash or Kaidan care less about Shepard than Liara does. We don't really get to talk with them in ME2

[Nethershadow]

I also don't think k/a got a fair shake in me2 and shat they did get was OOC for them.

[CroGamer002]

I agree with OP but she was only one in situation who cares about Shepard to help him.



Ashley and Kaidan are soldiers so they couldn't just leave Alliance just like that even if they knew where is Shepard's body and he/she can be saved.

Wrex is Wrex.

Garrus went to honor Shepard to get back to C-Sec or try to be Specter and later be Archangel on Omega.

Tali went back to flotilla to complete her Pilgrimage but I'm pretty sure she would do the same thing as Liara if is she knew Shepard can be saved.

[pf17456]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Why do obsessions always have to be unhealthy. Edison was obsessed with inventing the lightbulb. Thankfully now we don't have to use gas lamps or sit in the dark when we run out of lamp oil. How come if I say Liara was obsessed, it's a bad thing? It's not. She was deeply driven. She was consumed with finding Feron. Doesn't mean she was a wacko nutcase who needed to be committed or something.

Preach it sista!

That's why I say it's not an unhealthy obsession, but it is obsessive.   Liara is just a person with an obsessive personality.

Obsession is a clinical term which describes a behavior developed for the purpose of supressing and avoiding feelings through some ritualistic act. A person with an obsessive personality suffers from an inability to engage in an emotional rapport. Much like the way Samara reacts if Shepard tries to comfort her after hearing about her daughter. A great deal of Liara's dialogue is emotionally expressive. I believe her focus on going after the SB is quite similar to behavior often seen with those at a funeral who become engaged in organizational duties to try to cope with an unbearable loss. You cannot classify them as obsessive personalities based on their use of a specific coping mechanism during a stressful time no mare than you could say Liara has an obsessive personality. If Edison was obsessed with the light bulb then we'd all still be using candles because obsessives will use a whole roll of toilet paper and still get crap on their fingers. They fail because they overcompensate.

[jlb524]

I really don't think Liara's clinically obsessive, but I meant it more from a laymen's viewpoint. She's single minded in accomplishing this one goal (find the SB, free Feron, etc) and one would say that this is 'obsessive' from the non-clinical perspective. It's not a worry as it doesn't impede her everyday function.

[InvaderErl]

Nightwriter wrote...

Why do obsessions always have to be unhealthy. Edison was obsessed with STEALING the lightbulb.

Fixed.



Anywho, let's be fair to everyone else - the Normandy asploded and Shepard's body was nowhere to be found. There really wasn't any chance as far as any single one of them could have known. The idea that any of them just said oh well and gave up on a Shepard that might still be very much alive is ludicrous, in fact until Cerberus entered the picture - he was very much DEAD.

Even Liara, per Redemption if I recall went after his body in order to get closure not out of some idea of saving him.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 26 septembre 2010 - 09:27 .

[GodWood]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Why do obsessions always have to be unhealthy. Edison was obsessed with inventing the lightbulb. Thankfully now we don't have to use gas lamps or sit in the dark when we run out of lamp oil. How come if I say Liara was obsessed, it's a bad thing? It's not. She was deeply driven. She was consumed with finding Feron. Doesn't mean she was a wacko nutcase who needed to be committed or something.

Preach it sista!
That's why I say it's not an unhealthy obsession, but it is obsessive.  Liara is just a person with an obsessive personality.

Thats sounds very creepy.

[jlb524]

GodWood wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Why do obsessions always have to be unhealthy. Edison was obsessed with inventing the lightbulb. Thankfully now we don't have to use gas lamps or sit in the dark when we run out of lamp oil. How come if I say Liara was obsessed, it's a bad thing? It's not. She was deeply driven. She was consumed with finding Feron. Doesn't mean she was a wacko nutcase who needed to be committed or something.

Preach it sista!
That's why I say it's not an unhealthy obsession, but it is obsessive.  Liara is just a person with an obsessive personality.

Thats sounds very creepy.

Then, lots of people I know are creepy.

[Xsause]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Liara is also the only one who asked Shepard about how he's feeling.
In both games.

Jacob does this as well. True, you have to romance him for it to happen, but Liara isn't the only one.

Modifié par Xsause, 26 septembre 2010 - 12:26 .

[Nethershadow]

I am not seeing the "obsessive" as a bad thing at all. I actually view it more akin to a student or work manager who has a deadline to get a project done and they go go go on just getting that done at the expense of all else. The only difference here is Liara doesn't need someone to push her towards a goal or a job that says get it done now.



Liara also put her life on hold to find you dead or alive. She also couldn't join you because she has another friend now in need, Feron.



I just don't see any of the others willing to do that on the same level as Liara.



One thing i'm not clear on, is what did Ash/Kai know about the normandy1 incident? And did they attempt anything to recover a body? Who picked up all the other survivors, and couldn't a rescue mission/search mission been launched then?

We today can detect and monitor the 1000's of tiny debris (smaller than a pencil head) whipping around earths orbit so i wonder how good sensors are in the games time as Sheps body would have orbitted that planet first.

[InvaderErl]

Nethershadow wrote...

I am not seeing the "obsessive" as a bad thing at all. I actually view it more akin to a student or work manager who has a deadline to get a project done and they go go go on just getting that done at the expense of all else. The only difference here is Liara doesn't need someone to push her towards a goal or a job that says get it done now.

Generally she gets obsessive about useful things which is helpful, but anyone else remember that she wanted to stay and get info from Vigil rather than persue Saren post-haste, I mean hello Galaxy ENDING event happening down the hallway? She does have a big tendency to focus on one thing at the total exclusion of everything else which is a bit of a character flaw (but honestly that's fine - none of the crew is perfect).

Nethershadow wrote...
Liara also put her life on hold to find you dead or alive. She also couldn't join you because she has another friend now in need, Feron.

I just don't see any of the others willing to do that on the same level as Liara.

An inability to find closure does not indicate anything other than an inability to find closure.

I honestly would see any one of them at that point willing to lay down their lives to save Shepard without a second's hesitation.

Nethershadow wrote...
One thing i'm not clear on, is what did Ash/Kai know about the normandy1 incident?

O_o, they were ON BOARD the ship when it happened, they come up to you if Liara is not you're love interest/if one of them is.

Nethershadow wrote...
And did they attempt anything to recover a body? Who picked up all the other survivors, and couldn't a rescue mission/search mission been launched then?
We today can detect and monitor the 1000's of tiny debris (smaller than a pencil head) whipping around earths orbit so i wonder how good sensors are in the games time as Sheps body would have orbitted that planet first.

I've seen this argument and I think its ridiculous to assume that the Alliance didn't even LOOK for Shepard, not to mention I think you're vastly overestimating our current ability to detect things in space.

You speak like they went "well, Shep's dead - time to get back to building my portfolio!" when in reality Liara was the only one with the MONEY needed for that kind of venture.

Lastly, let's remember it was the SHADOW BROKER not Liara who found the body.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 26 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[Homebound]

Tali cares the most about MaleShep. She's had a crush on him since taking out Fist. (Canon according to Shadow Broker DLC)



Liara just had the resources to rescue Shepard's body. With Tali going back to the flotilla, Garrus pwning nubs in Omega, Wrex uniting the Krogan, Ashley being dead...etc.

[InvaderErl]

This is how I see it:

Tali/Garrus/Liara are clearly the most loyal/devoted to Shepard, as far as caring goes the same trio and then throw in the appropiate ME1 LI and ME2 LI as needed.

To say ONE PERSON cares the most is completely a subjective statement when all of them have put it on the line at some point for Shep.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:54 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Just_mike wrote...

Tali cares the most about MaleShep. She's had a crush on him since taking out Fist. (Canon according to Shadow Broker DLC)

Liara just had the resources to rescue Shepard's body. With Tali going back to the flotilla, Garrus pwning nubs in Omega, Wrex uniting the Krogan, Ashley being dead...etc.

There is a difference between a fangirl crush and *caring* about someone. And if you were to go by what RPGs do in regards to LIs, everyone gets a crush on you when you meet them.

And before running into Cerberus, I don't think Liara had much in the way of resources either. When she arrived on Omega, I got the distinct feeling she had nothing but her armor and biotics. It wasn't a big and funded expedition, she was just looking for anything pertaining to the wherabouts of Shepard's body, in the search to give it the proper respect she felt the Commander deserved.

She was looking, just looking. And that resulted in the events of Redemption.

[InvaderErl]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

Tali cares the most about MaleShep. She's had a crush on him since taking out Fist. (Canon according to Shadow Broker DLC)

Liara just had the resources to rescue Shepard's body. With Tali going back to the flotilla, Garrus pwning nubs in Omega, Wrex uniting the Krogan, Ashley being dead...etc.

There is a difference between a fangirl crush and *caring* about someone. And if you were to go by what RPGs do in regards to LIs, everyone gets a crush on you when you meet them.

Considering how seriously Tali treats intimacy with another individual I think we can safely say it wasn't just a crush. She had two years to get over Shepard and she didn't.

IndigoWolfe wrote...
And before running into Cerberus, I don't think Liara had much in the way of resources either. When she arrived on Omega, I got the distinct feeling she had nothing but her armor and biotics. It wasn't a big and funded expedition, she was just looking for anything pertaining to the wherabouts of Shepard's body, in the search to give it the proper respect she felt the Commander deserved.

She was looking, just looking. And that resulted in the events of Redemption.

Liara most definitely has a TON of cash. How did she fund her dig on Therum, or hell her entire career as an archaeologist? How did she pay for passage at the start of Redemption? How did she establish herself on Illium? MONEY, and lots of it.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 26 septembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[PseudoEthnic]

InvaderErl wrote...

This is how I see it:

Tali/Garrus/Liara are clearly the most loyal/devoted to Shepard, as far as caring goes the same trio and then throw in the appropiate ME1 LI and ME2 LI as needed.

To say ONE PERSON cares the most is completely a subjective statement when all of them have put it on the line at some point for Shep.

/thread.

[Sashimi_taco]

Seeing as Liara has been given the most amount of attention in terms of LIs, i really wish I could pursue her as a love interest. I like her personality and her faithfulness, she is also very mature when it comes to relationships in my opinion. However, I'm just not into women in that way. I really wish i was though, because Bioware has given her a lot of story line.

[leggywillow]

InvaderErl wrote...

Anywho, let's be fair to everyone else - the Normandy asploded and Shepard's body was nowhere to be found. There really wasn't any chance as far as any single one of them could have known. The idea that any of them just said oh well and gave up on a Shepard that might still be very much alive is ludicrous, in fact until Cerberus entered the picture - he was very much DEAD.

I have to agree with this.  I hate how everyone in the game kept saying things like "You were dead, the Alliance just gave up on you!  Shame on them!"  Shepard is DEAD.  It's not giving up or loving them less to accept that.  (In a whacky turn of events it ended up working out well for Shepard, but the point still stands.)