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[wwwwowwww]

My vote is and always will be "NO"



Thank you and have a nice day

[ladydesire]

Challseus wrote...

Firky wrote...

Challseus wrote...

How about this: I tend to believe Bioware, who said it would
stop them from creating the best SP RPG experience they
could, ....

Did  you see someone from Bioware post that somewhere? I'm
interested. All I've seen as the "official" word is somewhere
someone from Bioware posted, simply, "Dragon Age is a
single player game." (I have no idea who it was or where, so
take this as my memory, not proof.)

I did see someone from Bioware post that, but damn, it was a
while ago, on the old forums. Maybe Georg Zoeller, the lead
system designer? This being the internet, I understand if
people don't believe me, but I stand by my comment.

At any rate, as I've stated earlier, if it was possible ,I would
welcome it with open arms. Who am I to take the fun out of
something for someone else... Unfortunately, it's not, and so,
here we are

The part I bolded in Firky's post was said by Chris Priestly and is linked to in the "What we KNOW about DA2" sticky thread. I believe David Gaider posted something to the effect of "we would add co-op if it could be done in a way that wouldn't adversely affect the story" but I'm not sure which of the numerous co-op/mp request threads it was in.

[Sharn01]

I would vote no, but I would not throw a fit if it was co-op, I just dont think its worth the recourses.

I will adamantly vote no for pvp combat though, once you add co-op pvp the game becomes a nightmare of class balancing and lore takes a backseat to making sure a fighter is equal to a mage, etc.

Modifié par Sharn01, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:14 .

[Rake21]

I gotta go with no.  In the first game, it was my Warden's story, or your Warden's story.  Not our Wardens' story.  It would never have worked that way.  It had to be single player.

Same with DA2.  It'll be my Hawke's story or your Hawke's story.  Not our Hawkes'.

[The Tizminator]

Nope, no co-op, ever.



The one major thing I like about BW is that they seem to be one of the few devs that AREN'T obsessed with tacking on co-op & multiplayer to their titles.



While I enjoy playing certain types of game online, I think online play has really killed the single player experience.

Bioware are one of the few devs around that can still knockout an epic, single player game.



Besides if DA2 did go co-op, it would be like Fable II all over again: a complete waste.

[zahra]

I can see players fighting over who has to do the Ultimate Sacrifice/Dark Ritual. Depending on perspectives, either option would be considered malignant. [Would there be an option to fight to the death to decide who gets to be Morrigans baby daddy?]



DA is just not built for co-op.

[Lord_Valandil]

The Tizminator wrote...

Nope, no co-op, ever.

The one major thing I like about BW is that they seem to be one of the few devs that AREN'T obsessed with tacking on co-op & multiplayer to their titles.

While I enjoy playing certain types of game online, I think online play has really killed the single player experience.
Bioware are one of the few devs around that can still knockout an epic, single player game.

Besides if DA2 did go co-op, it would be like Fable II all over again: a complete waste.

I totally agree with you, once again.
Online play is here to stay, sadly. A fine example of a game killed by the online multiplayer is Lost Planet 2.

[Rake21]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

The Tizminator wrote...

Nope, no co-op, ever.

The one major thing I like about BW is that they seem to be one of the few devs that AREN'T obsessed with tacking on co-op & multiplayer to their titles.

While I enjoy playing certain types of game online, I think online play has really killed the single player experience.
Bioware are one of the few devs around that can still knockout an epic, single player game.

Besides if DA2 did go co-op, it would be like Fable II all over again: a complete waste.

I totally agree with you, once again.
Online play is here to stay, sadly. A fine example of a game killed by the online multiplayer is Lost Planet 2.

"BUT I WANNA DRIVE TEH MECH!"

"Or you could ride on it's shoulder and we could actually win for once.  Besides, I'm better at the controls."

"UR A ****!"

"That is not helping the situation."

(team is quickly devoured by a massive iguanna)

[addiction21]

Rake21 wrote...

"BUT I WANNA DRIVE TEH MECH!"

"Or you could ride on it's shoulder and we could actually win for once.  Besides, I'm better at the controls."

"UR A ****!"

"That is not helping the situation."

(team is quickly devoured by a massive iguanna)

Yaaaaa... I am sorry about that. I was having a bad day.

Modifié par addiction21, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:40 .

[zahra]

addiction21 wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

"BUT I WANNA DRIVE TEH MECH!"

"Or you could ride on it's shoulder and we could actually win for once.  Besides, I'm better at the controls."

"UR A ****!"

"That is not helping the situation."

(team is quickly devoured by a massive iguanna)

Yaaaaa... I am sorry about that. I was having a bad day.

lol

[Johnunsim]

i dont know about DA2 because it looks as if you have to play as Hawke(i really haven't been looking that deep into it) but if DA: O could have an integrated online play. like runescape or WoW it would be nice. I think it would be fun to get a group of Wardens and take a trip to the deep roads and lay waste to some darkspawn scum.

[Behindyounow]

No. Money spent on co op functionality is money that could've been spent on bettering the singleplayer.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

[ladydesire]

Maverick827 wrote...

Perhaps I should have provided an additional lemma stating
that the affordability of such a project is well within EA's
reach?

What about a little item called ROI, or Return On Investment? Adding features to a game, especially after it has been released (I'm aware that DA2 isn't out yet, but the engine being used is), should only be considered if there is significant proof that the investment would be worthwhile.

Creating an engine and story that supports multiplayer
experience, while a significant undertaking, would not
detract from a single player experience, even if you think it
would .

Bioware disagrees, hence no plans for co-op play in DA for the foreseeable future

Wow, that was pretty easy.  Maybe I should forget this whole "
logic" stuff and just start stating things with no further
argument. Here, let me try it again; just as you say no...

Yes.

I can see why such mental lethargy is so addicting, now.

I don't think it's what you say it is, based on the comments made by people who have played games that were ruined by poorly implemented co-op.

[Lumikki]

No thanks for co gameplay.

[thegreateski]

No thank you.

[highcastle]

No thanks. Inclusion of co-op would mean resources that should be going towards the story, voice-acting, or gameplay gets spent on a superfluous co-op system. And both will probably suffer, meaning that more people would be unhappy. No, just no. If you want to play co-op, go boot up Fable II and then remember why co-op isn't always a good thing.

[Ariella]

Maverick827 wrote...

Since this ME2 DLC is taking forever, I guess I'll try to turn yet another one of these threads around.

It is entirely a myth that multiplayer or co-op gameplay unequivocally detracts from the single player experience, and I will attempt to prove why:

Nice proof but it breaks down here:

Lemma: "The source of resources are willing to provide more provided the return is proportionally adequate."

Proof: The Old Republic will be EA's most expensive title to date, trusted in the hands of BioWare.

In summation:

EA has proven itself willing to essentially throw funds at BioWare to achieve goals of great proportions.  With these funds, BioWare is largely allowed to distribute them creatively how they wish.  With sufficient funding, any single department would eventually reach their creative limit, so to speak.  Since there are a finite amount of departments, again with sufficient funding, the entirety of BioWare would reach its creative limit.  Once this happens, the only way to see a positive benefit from the use of resources would be to expand to new departments and new functionality, namely to multiplayer or cooperative gameplay.

Problem. The Old Republic is a joint venture by EA and LucasArts (adding a second source of funding) based on a franchise with thirty years worth of name recognition behind it, even by people who would otherwise not play an RPG, and has NO single player component what-so-ever.

Dragon Age Two on the other hand is a solely Bioware created franchise which is barely a year old market wise and does not have the same kind of name recognition that TOR has by being a Star Wars game.

Q.E.D.

That, however, only explains why it might be viable.  Whether or not it is requires the following:

Supposition: "The inclusion of multiplayer or cooperative gameplay into Dragon Age would be financially viable."

Proof: ...well, that's not my job.  It's impossible for me to know this.  It is impossible for you to know this, too.  Stop replying to these threads with "no."  You will only look foolish after my logical deconstruction and proof.

Actually it's not impossible to know this as those of us who have been following Bioware have seen it happen in the original campaign for Neverwinter Nights, plus there's been a HUGE discussion of adding coop to single player RPGs for years, one in which developers have taken part and discussed the pros and cons of adding co-op.

[Maconbar]

How would the co op game work? Would 2 people play Hawke characters? Or would one play a companion? How would in game dialogue and approval work?

[saruman31]

To any kind of multiplayer.

[Sal_add]

YES... I guess Im alone but thats okay taking on darkspawn with a friend sounds cool

[Dynamomark]

Sal_add wrote...

YES... I guess Im alone but thats okay taking on darkspawn with a friend sounds cool

It does, but I suppose that's not the point. The point is to get a quality single player game.

[The Asorlins strike]

Why is almost everybody against m on this?"

[Collider]

The Asorlins strike wrote...
Dragon age co op? Does that sound good too you?

Nope

It could work but...there are other games better suited for it.