585 réponses à ce sujet

[MhorRioghain]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Big Nothing, when the obvious consequence of (a) is that she'll go back to being an Eclipse once your back is turned...

Unless, of course, you think she wouldn't. Which really would be naive.

That would be meta-gaming. All you know at the time is that she is seemingly a new recruit who, after being confronted by Mr. or Mrs. Shepard, might re-think her career. And she is pathetically praying for her life in hiding.

There is no meta-gaming involved in knowing that she is a cold-blooded murderess...you are informed of their membership "process".

EDIT:

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

All you know at the time is that she is seemingly a new recruit an initiate who earned her uniform through at least murder who, after being confronted by Mr. or Mrs. Shepard, might re-think her career clearly eyes her weapon and then, at the moment the Renegade interrupt option appears, is in the act of pulling her shotgun

FTFY

The "pay off" is that we find out she was responsible for a specific murder.  The fact she killed someone is self-evidence, she's in an Eclipse uniform.

This!

Modifié par MhorRioghain, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:12 .

[Mecha Tengu]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Risks often come with failure unless you're a Paragon.

Well letting Balak go certainly didn't change anything

[Giggles_Manically]

Also Zaeed says "Is that an eclipse uniform? Up against the wall"

[Dave of Canada]

Here's something I always found stupid: Legion told me how awesome the Collector Base would be, it would be a major advantage! Grunt agreed with him and told me that the Collector Base should be kept!



"Alright crew, thanks for your input!" and I saved the base. After the ending I wandered the Normandy and spoke with them again to hear their input about the base.



"IT WAS A MISTAKE."

"YOU ARE WEAK."

"DO U KNOW WTF U JUST DID?"

[Giggles_Manically]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Risks often come with failure unless you're a Paragon.

Well letting Balak go certainly didn't change anything

I killed him as a Paragon.
Its like a few people compared to someone who wants to wipe out a planet.

Also I loved the final line:
Balak:So who is the real terrorist here?
Shep: You but youre dead. <Blam>

[Gibb_Shepard]

holy ****, hasn't this been discussed enough? There has been countless threads on it, and you idiots are not adding anything new to the discussion. Just running around in circles, spitting out the same **** over and over again.

[Mecha Tengu]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If you're not making the Paragon choices, just ask for better Renegade options. Don't worry about something you're not participating in.

I could ask for better Renegade options but the thing is, Paragons always get rewarded for their choice.

Saved the Rachni Queen? RACHNI HELP YOU!
Saved Shiala? SHE HELPS THE COLONY.
Saved the Council? EVERYBODY LOVES YOU.
Blow up the Collector Base? EVERYBODY ON YOUR CREW PATS YOU ON THE BACK (even if they told you to keep it.)

You're taking huge risks with no reward. If I let a Terrorist go, I should expect to hear about how he attacked a building later and killed thousands. If I spare dangerous species 2.0, I should hear about how they slaughtered an entire colony and nested there.

Risks often come with failure unless you're a Paragon.

So you're a Paragon player who wants more bad things to happen to make it interesting?

hes just saying renegade outcomes shouldnt all mean complete and utter moral evil choice, and leading to wards death, destruction, and negative comments

paragon shouldnt always mean you are the knight in shining armour, reform evil villains, and produce perfect results

[Giggles_Manically]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Here's something I always found stupid: Legion told me how awesome the Collector Base would be, it would be a major advantage! Grunt agreed with him and told me that the Collector Base should be kept!

"Alright crew, thanks for your input!" and I saved the base. After the ending I wandered the Normandy and spoke with them again to hear their input about the base.

"IT WAS A MISTAKE."
"YOU ARE WEAK."
"DO U KNOW WTF U JUST DID?"

If you watch Smudboy's videos he points out how many times people flip flop in the game personality wise.

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...

So you're a Paragon player who wants more bad things to happen to make it interesting?

I play both, I tend to be balanced leaning on Renegade when I play "myself" in the game. I just found the whole idea of Paragons always being right to be silly. It's one of the reasons why I mentioned earlier I want the Paragon choice to blow up the base to bite the Paragon on the ass and reward Renegades, it would be the Rachni choice but on a bigger scale.

[Mecha Tengu]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

holy ****, hasn't this been discussed enough? There has been countless threads on it, and you idiots are not adding anything new to the discussion. Just running around in circles, spitting out the same **** over and over again.

hey hey be nice

[The Big Nothing]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

All you know at the time is that she is seemingly a new recruit an initiate who earned her uniform through murder who, after being confronted by Mr. or Mrs. Shepard, might re-think her career clearly eyes her weapon and then, at the moment the Renegade interrupt option appears, is in the act of pulling her shotgun

FTFY

I would agree, except that when you pull the renegade interrupt, there is a lull, where they are staring and pointing weapons at each other, and then Shepard and Co. just unload on her - it's like a firing squad.
You don't know if she was hesitant to kill whomever she killed in order to join the Eclipse mercs. The murder may have been under extenuating circumstances for all we know, until we find her audio-log.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:15 .

[Xilizhra]

There is no meta-gaming involved in knowing that she is a cold-blooded murderess...you are informed of their membership "process".

Of course, there's a chance that she considered killing the murderously swindling volus to be part of the "shooting up bad guys" that she mentioned.

I play both, I tend to be balanced leaning on Renegade when I play
"myself" in the game. I just found the whole idea of Paragons always
being right to be silly. It's
one of the reasons why I mentioned earlier I want the Paragon choice to
blow up the base to bite the Paragon on the ass and reward Renegades, it
would be the Rachni choice but on a bigger scale.

I respectfully disagree; I like taking large idealistic risks and having it work out.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:16 .

[jbblue05]

Xilizhra wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

ME2 was to punish Renegades and reward Paragons

ME3 better reward Renegades and punish Paragons

The only thing Renegades gained in ME2 was 4 more cruisers in the Alliance and got a big F U from them
we got the same Council but no dialogue with them and we are hated by aliens and no love from humans
It seems like we lose more and gain next to nothing

I don't care what happens to Renegades, but why do you care about punishing Paragons?

Because Bioware gave Renegade the big F U its only fair that Paragons suffer the same fate

[Giggles_Manically]

Why do people find it hard to kill Elnora?

She pulls a sodding shotgun on you, at Close Quarters?



That isint an accident, and I dont hesitate to pull the trigger.

[The Big Nothing]

Xilizhra wrote...

There is no meta-gaming involved in knowing that she is a cold-blooded murderess...you are informed of their membership "process".

Of course, there's a chance that she considered killing the murderously swindling volus to be part of the "shooting up bad guys" that she mentioned.

Exactly - it's all about perspective. Few "bad guys" think, "Dude, I'm so evil. Look at me murdering innocents." Maybe she figured she was doing something productive for her organization. 
The point is, you have no personal grudge against her, and you aren't saving anyone by shooting her on the spot.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:17 .

[Katya Nadanova]

Dave of Canada wrote...Saved the Rachni Queen? RACHNI HELP YOU!

Risks often come with failure unless you're a Paragon.

How is saving the rachni not a risk?

[Mecha Tengu]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Why do people find it hard to kill Elnora?
She pulls a sodding shotgun on you, at Close Quarters?

That isint an accident, and I dont hesitate to pull the trigger.

short answer: because hot asari chick begs for life to be spared
"DURRR SHE SEEMS LIKE A NICE PERSON"

I don't hesitate either though

[jbblue05]

Concentrate on Sovereign or Let the Council die you still see Sovereign as the biggest threat to galactic stability.



You still get the same type of council I don't even think you get the all-human council with Udina

And the new council are ungrateful asses to Shepards

[The Big Nothing]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Why do people find it hard to kill Elnora?
She pulls a sodding shotgun on you, at Close Quarters?

That isint an accident, and I dont hesitate to pull the trigger.

short answer: because hot asari chick begs for life to be spared
"DURRR SHE SEEMS LIKE A NICE PERSON"

I don't hesitate either though

if you wait half-a-second, she drops her shotgun and just stands there, looking stupid.

 <---Take a look. She also has valuable info that makes you look like a badass to Samara.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:25 .

[upsettingshorts]

Xilizhra wrote...
I respectfully disagree; I like taking large idealistic risks and having it work out.

Then how about being expedient resulting in positive, identifiable results as well?  Perhaps making fights easier?  Maybe resulting in fewer total casualties?

The game rewards Paragon acts.

It does nothing for Renegade acts other than, more or less, subtracting content.

[Xilizhra]

jbblue05 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

ME2 was to punish Renegades and reward Paragons

ME3 better reward Renegades and punish Paragons

The only thing Renegades gained in ME2 was 4 more cruisers in the Alliance and got a big F U from them
we got the same Council but no dialogue with them and we are hated by aliens and no love from humans
It seems like we lose more and gain next to nothing

I don't care what happens to Renegades, but why do you care about punishing Paragons?

Because Bioware gave Renegade the big F U its only fair that Paragons suffer the same fate

Then how about being expedient resulting in positive, identifiable
results as well?  Perhaps making fights easier?  Maybe resulting in
fewer total casualties?

The game rewards Paragon acts.

It does nothing for Renegade acts other than, more or less, subtracting content.

I don't mind this at all, except for the fact that I enjoy arguments like this and I'd miss them if their source was gone.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[upsettingshorts]

BristowJ wrote...
How is saving the rachni not a risk?

Save Rachni: Asari messenger tells you Rachni queen is hanging out.  Promises to help you.
Kill Rachni: Big nada.

If in Mass Effect 3 the Rachni are indoctrinated and turn on organics, half the complaints in this thread would be utterly silenced.  But it would run contrary to our expectations.

[PWENER]

She is wearing an enemy uniform, points a gun at you and shoots you after saying "go to hes ****", and you people wanna spare her!?



You guys are insane. If Harbinger said sorry and apologized for the trizillions (or infinity) of lives he and his cronies have killed, would you spare them?



Yeah, i thought so.

[jbblue05]

BristowJ wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...Saved the Rachni Queen? RACHNI HELP YOU!

Risks often come with failure unless you're a Paragon.

How is saving the rachni not a risk?

Bioware needs to make shades of gray with the Rachni. Judging by ME2 Rachni are paragons who save weary travelers and mind their own business and the Rachni Queen sends you a sweet message making you feel even more good about yourself.

Their shpuld be consequences the Rachni should want revenge against the Krogans
Wrex and the Krogans should be pi$$ed off you revive the species that kiled millions of their ancestors

[Mecha Tengu]

PWENER wrote...

You guys are insane. If Harbinger said sorry and apologized for the trizillions (or infinity) of lives he and his cronies have killed, would you spare them?

.

Harbinger doesnt have a sweet girly voice or a nice rack

attrction to braindead fan service overrides logic, under the excuse of: "lulz I was a paragon gewd guy"