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[jbblue05]

BristowJ wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
Why would the rachni even fight them right now they still have to rebuild their infrastructure and buid up their numbers and Wrex is trying to unite the Krogan.  The Rachni Queen isn't going to tell you we want revenge against the Krogans when she wants you to free her.  The queen is full of crap if she can remember Reaper Indoctrination she can remember a Krogan boot on the head of a rachni queen followed up by a shotgun at point blank range.
Wrex didn't stop Shepard because he still doesn't care about reuniting the Krogan at this point and Virmire is his boiling point.

Krogans and Rachni have too much bad blood and I would expect their to be some tension between both races

Wouldn't it make more sense for the rachni to attack the true reason(the reapers) for the war, instead of fighting the rest of the galaxy?  The asari(on Illium) tells Shepard that the Queen believes Shepard is fighting the enemy who "soured the song of" the rachni.  Why would the rachni attack the krogan or the rest of the galaxy?  The rachni didn't choose to start the war in the first place, it was the indoctrination from the reapers.  How does whether or not Wrex wants to reunite the krogan or not change his views on the rachni?

Did you even read my last post I said the Rachni still have a lot of rebuilding to do and I never said fight the entire galaxy. Of course the Rachni Queen is going to help you fight the Reapers she doesn't want her species going extinct twice you better hope the Queen doesn't get indoctrinated again..
I don't completely trust the Rachni Queen about the Rachni Wars.

Salarian explorers discovered them and were attacked by the Rachni not the other way around.  The Rachni feared an invasion and went on the offensive they were winning the war but when the Krogan were introduced the Rachni Queens wanted to retreat but Sovereign who was observing the entire war was intrigued by the Krogan and wanted to see who were stronger the Krogan or the Rachni and intervened to make sure the Rachni continued to fight.

Me, you and the Rachni Queen don't know the entire truth the only thing that does is Sovereign but he's blown up

[Gibb_Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Hale sucks. The male version of the renegade speech to Tali/Legion is great. Humbles them.

That droning dolt couldn't talk his way out of a paper bag. Hale is far better.

stfu. I swear these femshep fanboys are ridiculous.

[PWENER]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Hale sucks. The male version of the renegade speech to Tali/Legion is great. Humbles them.

That droning dolt couldn't talk his way out of a paper bag. Hale is far better.

stfu. I swear these femshep fanboys are ridiculous.

Stop it, I don't want the thread to get locked.

[Xilizhra]

Fangirl. But I'll drop it if the pepper guy wishes.

[PWENER]

Xilizhra wrote...

Fangirl. But I'll drop it if the pepper guy wishes.

I do, and thank you.

Modifié par PWENER, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:34 .

[Xilizhra]

Shandepared wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Fangirl. But I'll drop it if the pepper guy wishes.

Spoken like a true Paragon. Somebody takes a hostage and you're ready to give them the ivory tower.

We're not the ones with a faulty grip on reality this time, Renegade. Or ever, for that matter.

[JamieCOTC]

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Keep the base, blow up the base. Doesn't matter. Shep has Reaper data from Collector base at the end of the game. All that matters.

We've covered this already. It's one thing to know where to shoot, it's another to have the means to shoot.

And ME3 will be a completely new game just like ME2 as to bring in new players. Cerberus will most likely be put on back burner if that. 

I don't get your answear. What does that have to do with cannonity?

Take a good long look at what REALLY changed in ME2.  Not much.  Paragon Sheps get some extra dialog from people they saved, but that's about it.  Kill the Council, save the Council, it's the same game.  Same will be for the base.  Not really going to matter. 

Anyway, as far as having the means to shoot, Shep has had it all along. 

And it is......? What?

There's a long shot hint in LotSB to what it will be.  Hint, Shep got it on Eden Prime. 

[The Big Nothing]

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Keep the base, blow up the base. Doesn't matter. Shep has Reaper data from Collector base at the end of the game. All that matters.

We've covered this already. It's one thing to know where to shoot, it's another to have the means to shoot.

And ME3 will be a completely new game just like ME2 as to bring in new players. Cerberus will most likely be put on back burner if that. 

I don't get your answear. What does that have to do with cannonity?

Take a good long look at what REALLY changed in ME2.  Not much.  Paragon Sheps get some extra dialog from people they saved, but that's about it.  Kill the Council, save the Council, it's the same game.  Same will be for the base.  Not really going to matter. 

Anyway, as far as having the means to shoot, Shep has had it all along. 

And it is......? What?

There's a long shot hint in LotSB to what it will be.  Hint, Shep got it on Eden Prime. 

Syphilis?

[Katya Nadanova]

jbblue05 wrote...

BristowJ wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
Why would the rachni even fight them right now they still have to rebuild their infrastructure and buid up their numbers and Wrex is trying to unite the Krogan.  The Rachni Queen isn't going to tell you we want revenge against the Krogans when she wants you to free her.  The queen is full of crap if she can remember Reaper Indoctrination she can remember a Krogan boot on the head of a rachni queen followed up by a shotgun at point blank range.
Wrex didn't stop Shepard because he still doesn't care about reuniting the Krogan at this point and Virmire is his boiling point.

Krogans and Rachni have too much bad blood and I would expect their to be some tension between both races

Wouldn't it make more sense for the rachni to attack the true reason(the reapers) for the war, instead of fighting the rest of the galaxy?  The asari(on Illium) tells Shepard that the Queen believes Shepard is fighting the enemy who "soured the song of" the rachni.  Why would the rachni attack the krogan or the rest of the galaxy?  The rachni didn't choose to start the war in the first place, it was the indoctrination from the reapers.  How does whether or not Wrex wants to reunite the krogan or not change his views on the rachni?

Did you even read my last post I said the Rachni still have a lot of rebuilding to do and I never said fight the entire galaxy. Of course the Rachni Queen is going to help you fight the Reapers she doesn't want her species going extinct twice you better hope the Queen doesn't get indoctrinated again..
I don't completely trust the Rachni Queen about the Rachni Wars.

Salarian explorers discovered them and were attacked by the Rachni not the other way around.  The Rachni feared an invasion and went on the offensive they were winning the war but when the Krogan were introduced the Rachni Queens wanted to retreat but Sovereign who was observing the entire war was intrigued by the Krogan and wanted to see who were stronger the Krogan or the Rachni and intervened to make sure the Rachni continued to fight.

Me, you and the Rachni Queen don't know the entire truth the only thing that does is Sovereign but he's blown up

Yes, I did read it.  And it seemed you quite clearly believed that the rachni would attack the krogan.  

Yes, the rachni did attack first because of the indoctrination from the reapers.  The asari on Illium says that the rachni are not inherently hostile.  The rachni were manipulated by the reapers to start the war in the first place.

[Mechanos689]

so lets see we have alot of things that can change the outcome of me3's ending

we have the shadowbroker base which is a blackmail factory may prove to become a problem to the council and other organizations although i do feel like blackmailing the council will be hillarious since they have been nothing but morons

the information that kasumi has about the alliance and their association or involvement with the reapers if you decide to keep it (a possibility that can hurt the alliance or blackmail them into doing something) this is the paragon decision

project overlord if your a (renegade) which basically enslaves all geth

the heretics being taken care of with the virus and making the geth stronger or dooming them because there introducing a population that has been isolated from the main group which surprised legion because they were lying and thats not a typical geth behavior may prove to be a problem later on since legion was worried and his consensus was split on that decision

the collector base with reaper tech and biowarefare tech in the hands of a organization which although funded the "shoot em up mission" still has a horrible track record on their science projects
thats if you give it to them

being reinstated as a specter despite it not being official but "symbolic" and they are telling you to stay away from council controlled space may just be a load of crap

some decisions whether paragon or renegade seem like they are likely to backfire

Modifié par Mechanos689, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[PWENER]

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

PWENER wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Keep the base, blow up the base. Doesn't matter. Shep has Reaper data from Collector base at the end of the game. All that matters.

We've covered this already. It's one thing to know where to shoot, it's another to have the means to shoot.

And ME3 will be a completely new game just like ME2 as to bring in new players. Cerberus will most likely be put on back burner if that. 

I don't get your answear. What does that have to do with cannonity?

Take a good long look at what REALLY changed in ME2.  Not much.  Paragon Sheps get some extra dialog from people they saved, but that's about it.  Kill the Council, save the Council, it's the same game.  Same will be for the base.  Not really going to matter. 

Anyway, as far as having the means to shoot, Shep has had it all along. 

And it is......? What?

There's a long shot hint in LotSB to what it will be.  Hint, Shep got it on Eden Prime. 

The Beacon and the Cypher? I think does two have become obsolete. Knowledge is no longer needed. We don't need any more answears (but finding out who built the Reapers would be really cool).

[Dave of Canada]

JamieCOTC wrote...

There's a long shot hint in LotSB to what it will be.  Hint, Shep got it on Eden Prime. 

Ashley?
A smuggled pistol?

[StarcloudSWG]

Only choosing Paragon and only choosing Renegade makes for more boring gameplay, in my opinion.

Spectres are combat pragmatists. They have to be. Sometimes the "right" option is to do some Renegade actions and some Paragon actions.

Try coming up with a code of ethics for Shepard, and then playing according to that code. It'll be more interesting than "always playing fair" as a Paragon.

Shepard kills. But does Shepard murder?
Does Shepard hold himself/herself responsible for the actions of someone else?
Shepard has carte blanche as a Spectre. How does he/she use it?

It's made abundantly clear that Spectres' only restraint comes from within, and it takes egregious examples of treason (Evidence of leading a hostile enemy force to wipe out a colony of a member race) to get the Council to withdraw Spectre status.

[Xilizhra]

Try coming up with a code of ethics for Shepard, and then playing according to that code. It'll be more interesting than "always playing fair" as a Paragon.

Truly? I've always had fun with my Paragons.

[StarcloudSWG]

I find it fun. Understand; Fun is a subjective thing. Paragon choices aren't always the morally and ethically 'correct' decision. 

I play my Shepards mostly as Paragons, but they all have different motivations for specific actions. 

One uploaded Cerberus data to the Alliance (a Paragon choice).
Another kept it for herself (a Renegade choice), because Cerberus had put her in this ethically awkward place of being dependent on what is effectively a terrorist/private paramilitary force, and she wanted a "stick" to hit them with if necessary.

Sometimes, it makes you really think about which would be the best decision.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:05 .

[jbblue05]

BristowJ wrote...




Yes, I did read it.  And it seemed you quite clearly believed that the rachni would attack the krogan.  

Yes, the rachni did attack first because of the indoctrination from the reapers.  The asari on Illium says that the rachni are not inherently hostile.  The rachni were manipulated by the reapers to start the war in the first place.

Yeah they should attack the Krogan when they are self-sufficient which they are not they are still rebuilding starting a war with the Krogan while the Rachni are in their current state is counterproductive.

Wow you are so trusting and naive about the Rachni of course the Queen is going to want you to believe you made the right choice and that all Rachni are paragons

She's not going to say yeah we started it and thanks to you we are going to finish it on our terms death to all Krogan! the Rachni have risen from the ashes and will spread across the galaxy in a sea of blood(Evil Laugh)

The only person who knows the truth is Sovereign
You could be right
I could be right
or their is a lot more to the story
Who knows? 

Modifié par jbblue05, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:01 .

[Ultai]

Regarding Elnora, the reason why I went with the interrupt the first time I played was because she gave me sinister look and reached for her gun. I didn't expect a long enough moment for a short conversation and shoot, I expected to shoot her dead...or wound her at least, especially with the knowledge ahead of time that she had to kill someone to get that uniform.



I was willing to give her an ear and listen to what she had to say, but that came to a complete halt when she gave me that look and reached for her weapon. The thing that gets me though is that after she said screw you to Shepard, Shep STILL lets her get the first shot off, something that would have gotten you killed in real life, by some petty thug no less.



But then again everything's sunshine and lollipops in ME (good thing it's fiction), kinda wish there was more drama for my paragade. Bad things happen to good people comes to mind, but I guess my expectations tend to be alittle high.

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Try coming up with a code of ethics for Shepard, and then playing according to that code. It'll be more interesting than "always playing fair" as a Paragon.

Truly? I've always had fun with my Paragons.

"If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, I don't deserve to be the one protecting them"

Garrus Vakarian, after paragoning him in ME 1

[upsettingshorts]

Ooh, I want to use a quote:

Henry David Thoreau says...

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

[The Big Nothing]

You know, after some thought, I'm not sure a morality gauge is a good thing, and I hope Bioware stops using it in the future.
I mean, think about it: people rarely play true to themselves, instead limiting themselves to following whichever pathway is "paragon" or "renegade". Introspection, the truest method of decision-making is abandoned almost entirely, and we're left to wonder "Which is the 'good' choice? Which is the 'bad' choice?".
If anyone has ever played Heavy Rain, you'll know what I am talking about when I say "moral ambiguity", where "good" and "bad" decisions are left up to the players' discretion, and the consequences of your actions are the only real morality gauge.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[upsettingshorts]

I agree myself, and that's why I cheat to max out my Paragon/Renegade pool.

There ought to be other ways to measure that kind of thing, so we can have our Bioware RPG element of managing our decisions, and metagamey stuff, but I don't think it's been done right yet.

That's why I posted the Thoreau quote from "Self-Reliance:"  I'm not a slave to the top left or bottom left dialogue options.  Every situation is evaluated on its own merits.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:10 .

[Xilizhra]

But then again everything's sunshine and lollipops in ME (good thing it's fiction), kinda wish there was more drama for my paragade. Bad things happen to good people comes to mind, but I guess my expectations tend to be alittle high.

Why's it a good thing that a scenario in which not many bad things happen is fiction?

[Dave of Canada]

Paragons.

Renegades.