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[Dave of Canada]

Shandepared wrote...

They wept? Literally? No joke? If one of my friends wept over a video game I'd laugh at him, most especially a death like Tali's. Don't get me wrong, I love Tali (not literally), but her death in ME2 isn't particularly dramatic.

They are obsessed with her, though. They refuse to buy any DLC that doesn't have anything to do with Tali, they are planning to purchase the Tali T-Shirt for their girlfriend and themselves. It's just... creepy.

[ObserverStatus]

Dave of Canada wrote...
I've talked over a lot of friends who literally wept when Tali died, they refused to allow it and reloaded the mission to make sure she survived. When something like that happens to me, I'd rather view it as a consequence rather than a something that a reload would fix.

When Tali died I unintentionally laughed, remembering that episode of South Park when Towelie couldn't remember the access code to get the door open. (On this particular playthrough she took a missile to the head while trying to shut the door.)

Modifié par bobobo878, 13 septembre 2010 - 05:00 .

[Cyberfrog81]

Given the crappy attitudes of some, I also find it hard to appreciate anti-paragon viewpoints. And that's not because I don't have Shepards who found it perfectly justifiable to keep the base... I do.

[Dave of Canada]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Given the crappy attitudes of some, I also find it hard to appreciate anti-paragon viewpoints.

But there's pretty crappy attitudes all around for everything.

[izmirtheastarach]

Shandepared wrote...

They wept? Literally? No joke? If one of my friends wept over a video game I'd laugh at him, most especially a death like Tali's. Don't get me wrong, I love Tali (not literally), but her death in ME2 isn't particularly dramatic.

I don't see what is wrong with tearing up while playing a game. It's no different from any other kind of media. I guess some of us take our games more seriously then you do. I'm not sure why that's something to make fun of.

[ObserverStatus]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
They wept? Literally? No joke? If one of my friends wept over a video game I'd laugh at him, most especially a death like Tali's. Don't get me wrong, I love Tali (not literally), but her death in ME2 isn't particularly dramatic.

I don't see what is wrong with tearing up while playing a game. It's no different from any other kind of media. I guess some of us take our games more seriously then you do. I'm not sure why that's something to make fun of.

We all cried when Old Yeller died, but Old Yeller and Mass Effect aren't intended to the same age audience.

[Katya Nadanova]

jbblue05 wrote...
You really don't see how unbelievable it is for the Rachni to rebuild everything they lost in 2 years and if they could don't you see how dangerous they are.  Its been 2 years and the Council is still cleaning debris left from Sovereign.  How is it absurd that they are rewarding paragons? They specifically are making rachni a paragon species in ME2 I have been saying we don't know the complete story of the Rachni the whole time thanks for re-asserting my point.

The only way for the Queen to earn your trust is to let her go and when you do that it doesn't matter if she's benevolent or deceitful the Queen got what she wanted she doessn't have to prove anything to you anymore. Why would I take a leap on a species when all I know about them is they nearly overran the entire galaxy.  Most paragon players assume the worst from Cerberus which means no base for TIM.  The Galaxy doesn't miss the Rachni its been 1400 years and the sun rises and sets I see no problem letting them stay extinct.  Re-introducing the Rachni is huge risk  adding more chaos into in already chaotic galaxy.  I take leaps of faith I let the Council Die and I let TIM have the base.

It's the future anything is possible.  It can be argued that the rachni are inherently a paragon species.  They were just corrupted by the reapers.  

I can see where you are coming from, but I still disagree with you.  To say most paragons destroy the base  because of TIM is a little naive.  Besides should a player assume something else besides the worse from Cerberus? They don't really have a long list of successful experiments.  That said, I destroy it because of what it does not because TIM wants it.  Such technology should not be allowed to be used.  Does the base have other technology/capabilities?  Probably, but I (most of the time) do not think it is worth the risk.  Is BioWare not rewarding renegade players by keeping the base?

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I just did.

You always seem to choose the path that will make you the most able to condescend paragons for choosing an alternate path.

How is this logic.

This is you persistently failing at reading comprehension.

*shrugs*

You should try toning down on the condescension, the calling people stupid, the scathing attitude and such. Even if you have worthy reasons and a defensible position, people don't really care about them if your attitude makes them totally uninterested in hearing you out.

Also it tends to get you banned. But hey, who hasn't been banned before?

[Nightwriter]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Exactly, I just feel like life is about not being able to control bad things. Games are about being able to control bad things. And you let bad things happen anyway? I just don't understand.

I view the Mass Effect world as a parallel of ours (but set in the future ), same consequences and such apply. When I approach a situation like say... the Suicide Mission without any deaths, the entire event loses it's drama and the mission that everybody feared is nothing more than a simple mission with more dialogue. When I put myself in the shoes of Commander Shepard, the death of a companion makes me feel like I failed them and the mission becomes a lot more personal for me.

I've talked over a lot of friends who literally wept when Tali died, they refused to allow it and reloaded the mission to make sure she survived. When something like that happens to me, I'd rather view it as a consequence rather than a something that a reload would fix.

Fortunately I never had anybody die due to my mistake though, anytime somebody died in the Suicide Mission was because I willed it to be. Tali eats a rocket in the face the majority of the time when I kill somebody off.

EDIT: I hope that made sense, I'm drifting in and out of coherence.

I accept this as a valid reason for killing off some characters.

Even then, I'd only kill off one character, maybe two. Perhaps Jacob. Always felt neutral about him...

[ObserverStatus]

Nightwriter wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I just did.

You always seem to choose the path that will make you the most able to condescend paragons for choosing an alternate path.

How is this logic.

This is you persistently failing at reading comprehension.

*shrugs*

You should try toning down on the condescension, the calling people stupid, the scathing attitude and such. Even if you have worthy reasons and a defensible position, people don't really care about them if your attitude makes them totally uninterested in hearing you out.

Also it tends to get you banned. But hey, who hasn't been banned before?

I doubt you can get banned for having a condescending demeanor, or he would have been permabanned a long time ago.

[Xilizhra]

Making fun of upset/saddened people is, as a general rule, a dick move.

As for the mission itself, I don't mind the idea of giving Shepard pathos by having people die. Unfortunately, the only way people can die is if Shepard is sort of stupid, and that puts me off from actually trying it (plus, I'd just rather bring everyone back; they have lives to return to, after all).

[ObserverStatus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Making fun of upset/saddened people is, as a general rule, a dick move.
As for the mission itself, I don't mind the idea of giving Shepard pathos by having people die. Unfortunately, the only way people can die is if Shepard is sort of stupid, and that puts me off from actually trying it (plus, I'd just rather bring everyone back; they have lives to return to, after all).

What about Kaiden/Ashley? No matter how smart Shepard is, one of them has to die.

[Pacifien]

Condescending attitudes are hard to moderate. Outright mean-spiritedness isn't so much, so if I catch anyone calling someone else stupid, says someone has a worthless opinion, or anything else directly insulting to another poster, that gets you a time out.

[Nightwriter]

bobobo878 wrote...

I doubt you can get banned for having a condescending demeanor, or he would have been permabanned a long time ago.

Lol, I remember one time, someone posted a comment disagreeing with Shand, and Shand said something like, "I have no idea how you could possibly believe that, but feel free to explain yourself, I will be happy to laugh at you and call you stupid."

So javier pops on and says that kind of behavior is bad form, and handed him a temp ban to think it over.

I felt inexplicable warmth for Shand that day. He made me laugh, and I felt a ban was a poor reward for making me laugh.

[The Big Nothing]

Nightwriter wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I just did.

You always seem to choose the path that will make you the most able to condescend paragons for choosing an alternate path.

How is this logic.

This is you persistently failing at reading comprehension.

*shrugs*

You should try toning down on the condescension, the calling people stupid, the scathing attitude and such. Even if you have worthy reasons and a defensible position, people don't really care about them if your attitude makes them totally uninterested in hearing you out.

Also it tends to get you banned. But hey, who hasn't been banned before?

I've been perma-banned three times, and temporarily banned once on this account. Go me.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 13 septembre 2010 - 05:35 .

[jbblue05]

BristowJ wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
You really don't see how unbelievable it is for the Rachni to rebuild everything they lost in 2 years and if they could don't you see how dangerous they are.  Its been 2 years and the Council is still cleaning debris left from Sovereign.  How is it absurd that they are rewarding paragons? They specifically are making rachni a paragon species in ME2 I have been saying we don't know the complete story of the Rachni the whole time thanks for re-asserting my point.

The only way for the Queen to earn your trust is to let her go and when you do that it doesn't matter if she's benevolent or deceitful the Queen got what she wanted she doessn't have to prove anything to you anymore. Why would I take a leap on a species when all I know about them is they nearly overran the entire galaxy.  Most paragon players assume the worst from Cerberus which means no base for TIM.  The Galaxy doesn't miss the Rachni its been 1400 years and the sun rises and sets I see no problem letting them stay extinct.  Re-introducing the Rachni is huge risk  adding more chaos into in already chaotic galaxy.  I take leaps of faith I let the Council Die and I let TIM have the base.

It's the future anything is possible.  It can be argued that the rachni are inherently a paragon species.  They were just corrupted by the reapers.  

I can see where you are coming from, but I still disagree with you.  To say most paragons destroy the base  because of TIM is a little naive.  Besides should a player assume something else besides the worse from Cerberus? They don't really have a long list of successful experiments.  That said, I destroy it because of what it does not because TIM wants it.  Such technology should not be allowed to be used.  Does the base have other technology/capabilities?  Probably, but I (most of the time) do not think it is worth the risk.  Is BioWare not rewarding renegade players by keeping the base?

You can believe whatever you want about the Rachni  I have my own beliefs on the Rachni
I wouldn't call myself naive  more or less I have seen posts about "Sticking it to  TIM"  "TIM is gonna build his own Reaper" "I want to give it to the Council or Alliance" "TIM will use the base for EVIL terrorism" those types of posts irritate me to no end.
So you expect the best from the Rachni a species that threaten the entire galaxy but expect the worst from Cerberus. 
Cerberus is just like any other group they have their achievements and their failures.  Bioware allows you to see Cerberus failures first-hand while they keep other groups at a distance.
Bioware hasn't rewarded us yet.
But it seems like your entire crew wants you to jump in a black hole for saving the base.
Bioware tries its best to make you feel real dirty talking to TIM after saving the base

[Dave of Canada]

The thing about Cerberus failures is a little bit irritating. The Illusive Man only calls in Shepard to deal with the mess when something goes wrong, he doesn't message Shepard saying "Quickly, go the Tyrloda VII! We've found a virus that deletes enemy AI! We're all happy :D".

We've been called in how many times to fix the Alliance and it's problems? Roughly the same if not more but I don't see people insulting the Alliance as incompetent.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 septembre 2010 - 05:44 .

[Katya Nadanova]

jbblue05 wrote...

You can believe whatever you want about the Rachni  I have my own beliefs on the Rachni
I wouldn't call myself naive  more or less I have seen posts about "Sticking it to  TIM"  "TIM is gonna build his own Reaper" "I want to give it to the Council or Alliance" "TIM will use the base for EVIL terrorism" those types of posts irritate me to no end.
So you expect the best from the Rachni a species that threaten the entire galaxy but expect the worst from Cerberus. 
Cerberus is just like any other group they have their achievements and their failures.  Bioware allows you to see Cerberus failures first-hand while they keep other groups at a distance.
Bioware hasn't rewarded us yet.
But it seems like your entire crew wants you to jump in a black hole for saving the base.
Bioware tries its best to make you feel real dirty talking to TIM after saving the base

Those posts may irritate you but it's not like they are your decisions, that is just how other people choose to play the game.  It has no effect on you whatsoever.

Yes, I do.  The rachni were brain washed by the reapers.  I trust them as much as the krogan.  In case you forgot, the krogan threatened the galaxy as well.  The only difference being the krogan chose to go to war, the rachni didn't.  BioWare hasn't really rewarded paragons either, you get a few more conversations, congratulations.   

Why does it matter what your crew thinks?  This is Shepard's story not theirs, they are just along for the ride.  And if you felt dirty for talking with TIM afterwards, well, that's just your perspective of the conversation.  

[upsettingshorts]

Dave of Canada wrote...

We've been called in how many times to fix the Alliance and it's problems? Roughly the same if not more but I don't see people insulting the Alliance as incompetent.

Oh I do, all the time.

[Nightwriter]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The thing about Cerberus failures is a little bit irritating. The Illusive Man only calls in Shepard to deal with the mess when something goes wrong, he doesn't message Shepard saying "Quickly, go the Tyrloda VII! We've found a virus that deletes enemy AI! We're all happy :D".

We've been called in how many times to fix the Alliance and it's problems? Roughly the same if not more but I don't see people insulting the Alliance as incompetent.

I do. I think the Alliance is utterly incompetent in ME2.

Cerberus just gets more heat because they do worse things for worse reasons, are seen as having racist or prejudiced goals, do things for the powah and torture little kiddies and stuff.

[upsettingshorts]

It's pretty incompetent in ME1 as well. If it actually ran smoothly and did its job efficiently it wouldn't need to have Admiral Hackett constantly giving Shepard problems to fix.

[Cheese Elemental]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The thing about Cerberus failures is a little bit irritating. The Illusive Man only calls in Shepard to deal with the mess when something goes wrong, he doesn't message Shepard saying "Quickly, go the Tyrloda VII! We've found a virus that deletes enemy AI! We're all happy :D".

We've been called in how many times to fix the Alliance and it's problems? Roughly the same if not more but I don't see people insulting the Alliance as incompetent.

This bugs me too. I don't like Cerberus, but they don't screw everything up. I mean, look at Overlord. TIM told Gavin Archer to find a way to control the geth, but didn't tell him to plug David into a VI.

Most of the time, they mess up because they overestimate themselves/underestimate the danger. The Rachni in Styx Theta got loose because Cerberus thought they were basically animals.

[Dave of Canada]

BristowJ wrote...

Yes, I do.  The rachni were brain washed by the reapers.

And how do you know this without metagaming?

BioWare hasn't really rewarded paragons either, you get a few more conversations, congratulations.

Having the Rachni side with them and having essentially everything they do be sunshine and lolipops isn't being rewarded? Half the time, people will go "Aren't you great!" and such. For example: Talking to the crew after blowing up the Collector Base is one giant pat on the back.

Why does it matter what your crew thinks? 

Because they are still  YOUR crew that are supposed to be with you.