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[Dave of Canada]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Is any video that appears in a save in which Shepard dies considered canon since it can't be imported?

Not canon but it shows TIM was able to make Reaper IFFs even without the Normandy.

[AresXX7]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Noveria, Port Hanshan: Gave the data to Shiala, although I liked Lorik better

 
I had no idea she got around that much. 

[packardbell]

Looking at previous Cerberus operations (dealing with Thorian creepers, trying to control Rachni, implanting Reaper tech into Grayson) and each time they failed horribly in some way or other, besides when I did give him the base as a pure Renegade I immediately regretted it after seeing that sinister smile on his face.

[Mecha Tengu]

bobobo878 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
They wept? Literally? No joke? If one of my friends wept over a video game I'd laugh at him, most especially a death like Tali's. Don't get me wrong, I love Tali (not literally), but her death in ME2 isn't particularly dramatic.

I don't see what is wrong with tearing up while playing a game. It's no different from any other kind of media. I guess some of us take our games more seriously then you do. I'm not sure why that's something to make fun of.

We all cried when Old Yeller died, but Old Yeller and Mass Effect aren't intended to the same age audience.

I was quite happy when the filthy stench of rabies was purged

oh hey wahts going on guise

[Rockworm503]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Tom and Anthony go to the local gamestop, they've looked over the game selection and happen to see the Mass Effect series. Both of them decide that it looks like a good game, they've never played it before nor have they watched a video of it but they've heard good things.

Tom decides that he wants to be a Paragon due to blue being his prefered color, Anthony picks Renegade due to red being his prefered color and they meet each afternoon to discuss their experiences playing Mass Effect on the opposite side of the spectrum. Tom and Anthony both play Male Shepard Soldiers with the custom face.

Tom explains to Anthony the wonderous adventures he's had through Noveria with his lover Ashley and friend Garrus, Tom eventually explains that he was worried when the big decision came up, explained to Anthony that he didn't trust the Rachni Queen and he's fearful that she just lied to him to escape. Anthony explains that he burned her after hearing of all the trouble they caused in the galaxy years before. Both Tom and Anthony enjoy the game, Tom is worried about the Rachni Queen.

*WEEKS LATER*

Tom runs up to Anthony and tells him that the Rachni Queen talked to him in Mass Effect 2, Anthony raises an eyebrow and is curious because he didn't recieve a mention of anything for killing her. Tom explains how the Rachni Queen is going to help him against the Reapers! Tom is excited that his choice imported and being worried for letting the Rachni Queen go was for nothing. Tom is giddy and awaits Mass Effect 3 to see the Rachni assist him, Anthony is disappointed that killing her wasn't mentioned at all. Anthony shrugs.

*WEEKS BEFORE*

Anthony approaches Tom and asks him what he did to Shiala on Feros, Tom explains in detail that he decided to let her go due to feeling like he could trust her. Anthony explained that he didn't trust Shiala due to her ties with Saren, he killed her and said it's better for the colony.

*WEEKS LATER*

Tom calls Anthony and mocks him, Anthony is wondering what is going on. Tom explains in great detail how Shiala approached him and told him everything about how she was helping the colonists, Anthony was shocked that Saren's follower would do something like that. Tom then explained once more that Shiala flirted with Shepard. Anthony put down the phone and let out a few swear words as he looks upon the nameless colonist that seeks his attention.

*WEEKS BEFORE*

After having finally beating the game, Anthony and Tom talk over how amazing the ending was and how they can't wait to play the sequel. Tom mentions that he felt like a hero and champion of all humanity as the Council was rescued and that he represents everything that is good with humanity. Anthony was confused that his decision to focus on sovereign instead yielded in a different outcome, he explained how humanity took over and that he's surprised the difficulty for Sovereign remained the exact same.

*WEEKS LATER*

Anthony furiously stomps his feet into Tom's room, Tom looks back at Anthony and asks him what's up. Anthony explains he saved the entire universe and nobody believes him, instead the Council ignores him anyways and now he's hated by almost every alien he encounters in the game. Tom explains that he shares the pain, Anthony looks shocked and asks how he could possibly know what he went through. Tom explains that the Council made him a spectre again but didn't believe him, at that very moment Tom ruins to the Turian Shopkeeper and the Turian Shopkeeper yells out how amazing Shepard is.

Anathony leaves enraged.

*SUICIDE MISSION*

While eating over lunch, Tom explains that he blew up the Collector Base and how everybody on his crew approved of it and adored him for doing it. Anthony, weary after all his fits of rage, slowly tilted his head up and said that his companions told him to keep the base due to it's potential. Tom smiles and tells Anthony that he knew that Renegades would get approval eventually, Anthony meets his gaze and then says those same companions told him to eat **** and die after they talked on the Normandy. Tom was left speechless as Anthony walked away.

*DAYS LATER*

Tom finds Anthony weeping on his bed, he approachs Anthony and rubs Anthony's back. Anthony looks up and asks how come everything cool happened to him (Tom), Tom said that Anthony need not worry and he could be as cool if he just made a Paragon instead. Anthony sits up, stares at Tom and says that why is there even an option for Renegade if it removes content, Tom tells him it's because Renegades get the job done. Tom and Anthony argue about both their respective morality bars and eventually Anthony kicks Tom out of the house.

They never spoke with each other again.

Moral of the story is tom and anthony are retards and can't distinguish real life from a video game

[Ultai]

packardbell wrote...

Looking at previous Cerberus operations (dealing with Thorian creepers, trying to control Rachni, implanting Reaper tech into Grayson) and each time they failed horribly in some way or other, besides when I did give him the base as a pure Renegade I immediately regretted it after seeing that sinister smile on his face.

Wrong on that, in the end TIM succeeded in getting the data he wanted, with some considerable setbacks, and that was because the turians attacked and allowed Grayson out of his cell.  Kai Leng also succeeded in his mission to terminate Grayson.

Modifié par Ultai, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[scotchtape622]

But didn't the Turians only attack because Grayson gave them intel, because he knew Cerberus was after them (I'm not sure, I haven't read it)? If that is true, it was Cerberus's fault for their failure, because it is also to my understanding that they didn't necessarily need Grayson for their plan, and he was mostly chosen out of spite.

[Dean_the_Young]

Spite is generally a word with the connotations of petty anger. Grayson was revenge, but a well-founded grievance from a real and harmful betrayal.



I'm always surprised by the suggestions that people think it would have been morally superior to go out and harm some random person of the street, as opposed to settling a score with someone they had a past with. The only likely reason I can think of that people say things such as that is because they're exposed to Grayson and connect to him more than some nameless person they don't know or care about.

[scotchtape622]

1. It would have been morally supierior to do it on a Cerberus volunteer. After that, ethics go flying out of the bag.
2. Yes, it was dumb luck that Grayson sent the info, but once again it wouldn't have happened if TIM had used his brain instead of his emotions. It is much more strategically viable to use someone other than a highly trained soldier that is currently in the Terminous.

[InHarmsWay]

scotchtape622 wrote...

But didn't the Turians only attack because Grayson gave them intel, because he knew Cerberus was after them (I'm not sure, I haven't read it)? If that is true, it was Cerberus's fault for their failure, because it is also to my understanding that they didn't necessarily need Grayson for their plan, and he was mostly chosen out of spite.

That is correct. They could have grabbed a random hobo from Omega to do their experiment. And they waited too long to kill Grayson when he was infected.

[InHarmsWay]

Couldn't they have used a guinea pig to implant with Reaper tech before trying humans. What's the worse a guinea pig going to do when controlled by a Reaper?

[Dean_the_Young]

The joke setup is so obvious, I refuse to post it.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Another reason to keep the Collector base is to finally be able to confront and eliminate/arrest the Illusive Man. He's a recluse and always distances himself from Cerberus activities, no one ever finds him except for those he requests an audience with (Miranda's the only known person so far in the games to have been with him face to face).

Make enemies and you'll never get near him, he's already got Reaper and Collector tech so the lack of a base would only slow him down. If he works faster, greater chance he has of making a mistake without sending someone else in to correct it.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 septembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

AriesXX7 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Noveria, Port Hanshan: Gave the data to Shiala, although I liked Lorik better

 
I had no idea she got around that much. 

Neither did I, guess I really like her character that much.

[nov_pl]

yeah i figured that out too, and I don't like the idea of humanity's total dominance, It won't do any good i guess...

[Maestro975]

I'll admit to being a late entry to this argument, thread, but I've never seen why preserving the base, in and of itself, is so Renegade.... a line from Shane comes to mind:

"A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

I've always had trouble getting the people who argue for preservation to speak up. I tend to need Zaeed and Grunt to protect the squishies. I brought Tali and Mordin with me once, on a playthrough where I romanced Tali, so the "Is it the best course?" option appeared. I thought for sure that, after Tali insisted the base be destroyed, that Mordin would chime in in favor of preserving it. But he didn't. 

This whole thing would've been much better if, no matter who you brought with you, you get the Spock/McCoy argument (like you did with saving the council in ME1, hearing "save the council" from Ashley or Wrex or "screw the council" from Kaidan or Liara seemed incredibly out of character, but at least you got to hear both sides of the argument). 

With Anderson and TIM; they both symbolize Shepard's future. Paragon Shep is the heir to Anderson, and Renegade Shep is the heir to TIM.

[Terraneaux]

Maestro975 wrote...

"A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

This is exactly why a renegade would keep it, but at the same time there's no reason you should turn it over to TIM.  Unfortunately, Mac Walters made that choice for you, so your options are either 'herp derp station is MADE OF EEEEVIL' or fellating TIM.  

With Anderson and TIM; they both symbolize Shepard's future. Paragon Shep is the heir to Anderson, and Renegade Shep is the heir to TIM.

Who's Udina's heir then?

[Maestro975]

Shandepared wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The only likely reason I can think of that people say things such as that is because they're exposed to Grayson and connect to him more than some nameless person they don't know or care about.

A lack of critical thinking skills.

Personally, after I'd gotten my revenge on Grayson I'd have bought condemned criminals.

Well, Shepard blew up Purgatory.

I remember Zaeed telling Shep about all the Cerberus operatives he killed: "I lost count after 50. The Illusive Man must be more forgiving than I am."

So, if Zaeed killed that many Cerberus operatives, then he likely disrupted quite a few Cerberus operations. Grayson defected, killing two Cerberus agents who had sold out to the Collectors, pretty much saying "you leave me alone, and I leave you alone."

So why does TIM "forgive" Zaeed while going Wrath of Khan on Grayson?

Modifié par Maestro975, 17 septembre 2010 - 08:59 .

[Terraneaux]

Maestro975 wrote...

So why does TIM "forgive" Zaeed while going Wrath of Khan on Grayson?

Lack of consistency in writing.  

[Pacifien]

Probably because it was just business on Zaeed's part while Grayson was blackmailing the Illusive Man and, essentially, daring him to do something about it.

[Maestro975]

Terraneaux wrote...

Maestro975 wrote...

"A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

This is exactly why a renegade would keep it, but at the same time there's no reason you should turn it over to TIM.  Unfortunately, Mac Walters made that choice for you, so your options are either 'herp derp station is MADE OF EEEEVIL' or fellating TIM.  

With Anderson and TIM; they both symbolize Shepard's future. Paragon Shep is the heir to Anderson, and Renegade Shep is the heir to TIM.

Who's Udina's heir then?

I always pictured Udina as falling somewhere in the middle between those two. But now that you've asked that, I've kindof pictured this future:


ADMIRAL SHEPARD: I don't work for you, Conrad. You might want to think about that.
AMBASSADOR VERNER: Of course, Councillor. Can't have you sticking a gun in my face again. You're a meanie.
ADMIRAL SHEPARD: Sorry about that. Ambassador Verner never got over the fact that I never made him a Spectre. I have to put him in his place.
PLAYER-CONTROLLED SPECTRE: Why do you keep him around?
ADMIRAL SHEPARD: He's unintentionally hilarious.

[Shirosaki17]

Paragon: Shepard will likely have the Council races' support, stronger geth support, rachni, and united Krogan support. (Not sure what Rachni and Krogan will be able to do against Reapers. There is nothing to suggest they have strong fleets of ships and would be great at space battles.

Rengade Shepard will have the Reaper tech from the Collector base. (Which is probably better in the long run.)

I mean what did EDI say when you were in the derelict Reaper and it's shields went up? Dreadnought class weapons can't penetrate it's shields. And that's a dead reaper. That's crazy and likely means there are few weapons that could damage a reaper in the entire galaxy.

Might have forgotten something.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 17 septembre 2010 - 10:53 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, a frigate's weapons can instantly destroy a Reaper if its shields are down...