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[Shirosaki17]

I don't think that's true. If you're talking about the battle in ME1, I think the Reaper was being hit with multiple fire when it's shields were down.



I wonder now whether it's bad writing or the fact that Sovereign took down it's own shields to try and interface with the Citadel. Probably bad writing. I'm sure multiple fire from the fleet eventually took down Sovereign's shields and then destroyed it. Oh well.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, no. Sovereign transferred its consciousness into the Saren-husk; when Shepard destroyed it, Sovereign's shields instantly went down.

[kalerab]

packardbell wrote...

Looking at previous Cerberus operations (dealing with Thorian creepers, trying to control Rachni, implanting Reaper tech into Grayson) and each time they failed horribly in some way or other, besides when I did give him the base as a pure Renegade I immediately regretted it after seeing that sinister smile on his face.

It´s only one small part of their operations, for example projects like ressurecting Sheppard which´ll kick some collector ass went pretty well. Same goes for thousands of smaller operations thanks to which Cerberus stayed in shadows long enough to take some serious political power in Alliance (technically they control Terra Firma party, they have much bigger base of operation than any mercenary group in galaxy and their financial funds are uncomparable to anything. They have their people in Alliance, goverment, Citadel, everywhere) and even now they are beeing underestimated by most of the galaxy as just a few terrorists with no real power. Also project Grayson went wrong because of turian attack on Cerberus outpost. Wether they screw up or not is unknown and even the Sheppard couldn´t know that, yet he knew that galaxy will be facing an enemy which destroyed every single advanced race in galaxy so far, that Council doesn´t give a damn and it took whole Council fleet and 5th fleet to destroy one Reaper which had disabled shields. Even joint-spieces armady won´t stand long against enemy which was able to create such things as mass relays about which Council spieces, even after millenias of stuying it, have no idea how does they work. And the techs from the base could make a difference, after all Sovereign remains led to development of thanix cannons.

[ERJAK2]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Another reason to keep the Collector base is to finally be able to confront and eliminate/arrest the Illusive Man. He's a recluse and always distances himself from Cerberus activities, no one ever finds him except for those he requests an audience with (Miranda's the only known person so far in the games to have been with him face to face).

Make enemies and you'll never get near him, he's already got Reaper and Collector tech so the lack of a base would only slow him down. If he works faster, greater chance he has of making a mistake without sending someone else in to correct it.

Like the Shadow Broker? Cause he was reclusive well hidden and had near unlimited resouces. Spoiler alert he's dead now. Or how about the base made at the center of the galaxy you need to destroy a reaper to get at. 

If Shepard wants TIM dead, TIM will die. PERIOD.

[NonCanon]

I can never bring myself to hand the base over to Cerberus. I really ought to do it at least once. I'm guessing there will be heavy repercussions for both blowing it up, or keeping it. So, eh.

[0mar]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, a frigate's weapons can instantly destroy a Reaper if its shields are down...

only after several fleets unload their entire payload into it  Remember, the Citadel Defense fleet was utterly obliterated by Sovereign, including the asari flagship dreadnought.  The 5th fleet also suffered heavy casualties before finally taking down the Reaper.

[petipas1414]

edi will betray us. cortana becomes the new ai.

[ObserverStatus]

petipas1414 wrote...

edi will betray us. cortana becomes the new ai.

you sure you don't mean glados?

[RGFrog]

Keep the base. All those pods are going to waste. Put every human in them. Hide the base and once the reapers are done, move the humans back into the galaxy. Humans can then have their pick of whatever world they want and access to all the other races technology.

[Zan51]

Just a thought, but are the reapers even capable of building a Mass Relay, or anything new now.?I mean, look at the amazing stone work of the Ancient Egyptians. We can no longer make the buildings they could, with the stone beams and so on like temples at Karnak. Some of those had to be made with the kind of tools they used. For instance, using tools that vibrate as much as our drills do would/could crack and ruin things like Cleopatra's Needle if we didn't do it the way they did with adzes, wedges of wood, and fire and water. Some of the stone they used was quite friable. I've seen stone vases at Heraklion museum in Crete, found in Knossos, that are carved showing the inner grain of the stone like we would carve wood today. I doubt that can be replicated now.

My point is, OK they are an ancient race, but it does not mean they retain either the skills or tools, or anything to let them be manufacturing at the level they may once have done when they made the Mass Relays. Maybe they even made them when in flesh bodies. You cannot use the mindless bodies of folk like the Collectors to make finely crafted goods. Which makes me think the Collectors that engineered stuiff were not so mindless after all.

So the idea of having non-Reaper inspired tech makes a lot of sense to me. That means nothing from the Collectors.

Modifié par Zan51, 18 septembre 2010 - 05:31 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Uh, if you think the lost skills of two hundred years ago would somehow be more effective at fighting a modern war than, say, somewhat remembered technology of thirty years ago.



But as computer/AI race, the Reapers don't lose skills. They know them, and they don't have to forget them since keeping the knowledge is as easy as putting it on a data file. Which is half of what they already are. Skills are lost to history because humans don't have perfect memory, but machines do.



You might not be able to make collectors build precision objects by hand, but they can build the machines to build the machines that will make the machines to build those fine items. It might take time to build up the infrastructure to do it... but hey, after the Reapers have already won, they have time. Plenty of it. Nothing says they have to all stay on this side of the Citadel immediately after winning.