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[Bugsie]

Oh good to hear that 
(I'm a big fan of Thane myself... )

[krimesh]

Great thing about ME is that players can interpret into it a lot, and so many can find something special for themselves. This thread is another example of this, although I for one do not understand it.

[upsettingshorts]

Great post.

But a big part of what makes Thane awesome will be completely tossed out the window if a lot of his fans get their way and he is cured.

The fact he doesn't have much time left and knows it is integral to his character.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:46 .

[OldMan91]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Great post.

But a big part of what makes Thane awesome will be completely tossed out the window if a lot of his fans get their way and he is cured.

The fact he doesn't have much time left and knows it is integral to his character.

That's true. I think it would be appropiate if his last days are spent fighting the reapers and eventually dies, with Shepard at his side. That would really make it a tragic but emotionally charged end to his romance and ME3.

[upsettingshorts]

I'd argue that those situations are pretty different.

[krimesh]

mashavasilec wrote...
yes, yes, it would break his character and all that jazz

but think about it

a lot of people were certain that sudden change in Liara's personality and behavior in comic and game ruined her character completely. but the result of all this character-bending was pretty amazing

so

Edit: and Thane being awesome because of his dying status is nonsense

I didn't observe any unnatural bending in the first place. Characters evolve. Especially young ones, or people who find themselves in difficult situations. Liara is both. Anyway, I trust Bioware to get ME3 and any major DLC right, including Thane. If someone does not, they probably should not buy them then.

[upsettingshorts]

mashavasilec wrote...
Edit: and Thane being awesome because of his dying status is nonsense

Misleading restatement is misleading.

I said "a big part" of what makes Thane awesome is his fatal illness.

It makes the love affair with him tragic.  Tragic romances are compelling and typically very popular.  You know, like Titanic.  People who like the Thane romance consciously or unconsciously are attracted to the tragic nature of the romance.  Remove the tragedy and you fundamentally alter the character and the arc into something different.

Just like Titanic is a much different film if Jack and Rose are rescued and live happily ever after in New Jersey or something.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:10 .

[Collider]

I just wish the tragedy of the romance was better utilized. Until the romance scene, everything was pretty "happy" and there was little to no conflict. That said, I still consider Thane to be in the top 3 romances in the series. It's a great and well rounded romance (the most, in my opinion), if a little subdued until the romance scene.

Modifié par Collider, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:14 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Collider wrote...

I just wish the tragedy of the romance was better utilized. Until the romance scene, everything was pretty "happy" and there was little to no conflict. That said, I still consider Thane to be in the top 3 romances in the series. It's a great and well rounded romance (the most, in my opinion), if a little subdued until the romance scene.

To be quite frank, the romance scene is what REALLY moved me the first time I pursued Thane. I wasn't exactly sure what it was all about until the romance scene. Now that I've played through the entirety of his romance subplot multiple times, I just love it, and I like to of it as an "unfinished" story. It's actually part of the many things I'm looking forward to seeing in ME3.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[Collider]

To be quite frank, the romance scene is what REALLY moved me the first time I pursued Thane. I wasn't exactly sure what it was all about until the romance scene. Now that I've played through the entirety of his romance subplot multiple times, I just love it, and I like to of it as an "unfinished" story. It's actually part of the many things I'm looking forward to seeing in ME3.

Same.

[Collider]

Brodyaha wrote...

Collider wrote...

I just wish the tragedy of the romance was better utilized. Until the romance scene, everything was pretty "happy" and there was little to no conflict. That said, I still consider Thane to be in the top 3 romances in the series. It's a great and well rounded romance (the most, in my opinion), if a little subdued until the romance scene.

I must say that I disagree with everything being happy when talking to Thane.  He's had a remarkably tragic life, and maybe it's the solipism, but he's clearly still taken with Irikah.

On another note, I always take the "siha" interpretation (I think he starts calling you that right before the, "I want you Thane," dialogue, as him falling in love with you, whether you're romancing somebody else or not.  I've talked to him as a FemShep (only as FemShep), but he still calls me siha afterwards, despite the fact that I was romancing Garrus one time and keeping with Kaidan in the other.  So.....that's my interpretation.  IMO,  could be wrong.

During the romance itself. Notice I have happy in quotations. Thane's story itself is not happy, but the romance, up until the romance scene, is surprisingly light hearted and unconflicted. That was what I was speaking of.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Brodyaha wrote...

On another note, I always take the "siha" interpretation (I think he starts calling you that right before the, "I want you Thane," dialogue, as him falling in love with you, whether you're romancing somebody else or not.  I've talked to him as a FemShep (only as FemShep), but he still calls me siha afterwards, despite the fact that I was romancing Garrus one time and keeping with Kaidan in the other.  So.....that's my interpretation.  IMO,  could be wrong.

You're right.

I actually kind of explained this indirectly in the OP. Basically, Thane calls you Siha no matter what (only if you're a female, though). This is because, by that point, you've already helped him to a) take the perfect opportunity to atone and reunite with his long-lost son. As a result, he views you as an angel sent by the goddess Arashu (goddess of motherhood and protection in drell religion) because of what you've done for him. It's only if you actually romance him that he tells you what Siha means: "One of the warrior-angels of the goddess Arashu. Fierce in wrath. A tenacious protector."

Over time, he will start to affectionately call you Siha. He will more or less have fallen in love with you.

[Alexine]

Interesting post. Most of your points seem to match well with his character.

However, I wouldn't say that Thane's romance is the deepest, mainly due to the consistency of the romance. I do understand your points about it. Personally, when FemShep says her feelings out straight out of Thane's confession about his wife seemed a bit blunt all of a sudden. The build-up was sweet, though at times it felts a little bit cheesy. Until to the romance scene, the romance jumps a bit, so there is no flow.

But I will say that Thane's romance scene was the deepest (neck-in-neck with Garrus' romance scene), due to the fact that he is confused and angry that he has so little time left with her, in contrast to his usual calm nature.

[Eradyn]

Brodyaha wrote...

@ Collider--sorry about that.
@FieryPhoenix7--sorry I missed that from the OP as well.
But I do think you have a point about the romance. From what I've seen from Jacob's romance (dialogue wise and stuff--no offense to Jacob lovers) and Garrus' too, is that they are more like flings. Heck, with Garrus, it's about blowing off steam, not about love or anything (originally). Thane's romance develops quickly (that's more to blame with the nature of ME2, however), but it's based on eventual mutual love, methinks.

If there's one thing the romance with Garrus is not, it's a "blowing off steam" fling.  At the VERY beginning, sure...as in when those words are said...but it becomes far more apparent as you go along with the romance that it's more than that.  LotSB helped cement that.

I won't turn this into a Garrus discussion since the OP'er wants to focus on Thane, but a lot of us have discussed this pretty in-depth over on the Garrus thread.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Alexine wrote...

Interesting post. Most of your points seem to match well with his character.

However, I wouldn't say that Thane's romance is the deepest, mainly due to the consistency of the romance. I do understand your points about it. Personally, when FemShep says her feelings out straight out of Thane's confession about his wife seemed a bit blunt all of a sudden. The build-up was sweet, though at times it felts a little bit cheesy. Until to the romance scene, the romance jumps a bit, so there is no flow.

But I will say that Thane's romance scene was the deepest (neck-in-neck with Garrus' romance scene), due to the fact that he is confused and angry that he has so little time left with her, in contrast to his usual calm nature.

The main problem with Thane's romance, for me personally, was how some dialog options were poorly worded and rather confusing. One comes immediately to mind, and that's the "I want you, Thane." option, which basically triggers the romance with Thane. When I first read that option, I was like "Seriously?! That's for real?!", but it turns out what Shepard actually says isn't even remotely close to how the option itself is worded.

But then again, that is a prominent and well-known problem in Mass Effect.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 14 septembre 2010 - 03:22 .

[syllogi]

I honestly don't think any one romance can be labelled "deepest" or "best" or whatever, every person is going to take something different away from each of the romances. I won't go into depth, but several points from the OP are the exact reason I'm not interested in romancing Thane. I simply find the "redemption through the love of a good woman" trope to be boring, and considering that this is Thane's second go-around with it, if he's Shepard's love interest, it makes it even more dubious to me, personally.



I definitely do think that Thane is a "deep" character, but even more could have been done with him, and both he and Jack are frustrating, in that wanting to be "just friends" makes Jack completely close off, and Thane has far less depth than he would in a romance. I would find it really upsetting if he only gets a cure for romanced Shepards, also, because that would mean that he doesn't think living for Kolyat or helping to end the Reaper threat are good enough reasons to live by themselves. Shepard's magical genitalia should not be the only way to "save" Jack or Thane from their pathos.



Personally, I'm not romancing any ME2 characters for both roleplaying and metagaming reasons, and I found that the game was more lonely, but it made a lot more sense to me. The game was much "deeper" when my Shepard felt alone and isolated on a Cerberus ship she didn't want to be on, didn't have anyone waiting for her after the suicide mission, and the future seems bleak and uncertain with no clear sense of what will come next. Would I have preferred a "happy ending" if it were offered in the first place? Sure, but now that I've played through the whole game this way several times, it makes the most sense, given the plot.

[Fiery Phoenix]

TeenZombie wrote...

I honestly don't think any one romance can be labelled "deepest" or "best" or whatever, every person is going to take something different away from each of the romances. I won't go into depth, but several points from the OP are the exact reason I'm not interested in romancing Thane. I simply find the "redemption through the love of a good woman" trope to be boring, and considering that this is Thane's second go-around with it, if he's Shepard's love interest, it makes it even more dubious to me, personally.

I realize how certain aspects of Thane's character and backstory can be viewed as a turn-off, and that's fair. Personally, Thane's romance is the kind of romance I was looking for in ME1. As much as I enjoyed Kaidan's romance, I was surprised to see how Thane's appealed even more to me, and I realized that's how I wanted it to be all along with my FemShep.

I definitely do think that Thane is a "deep" character, but even more could have been done with him, and both he and Jack are frustrating, in that wanting to be "just friends" makes Jack completely close off, and Thane has far less depth than he would in a romance. I would find it really upsetting if he only gets a cure for romanced Shepards, also, because that would mean that he doesn't think living for Kolyat or helping to end the Reaper threat are good enough reasons to live by themselves. Shepard's magical genitalia should not be the only way to "save" Jack or Thane from their pathos.

The thought of Thane being cured only if romanced is disturbing, to say the least. And it's been discussed to death in the official Thane thread. Basically, we wouldn't like it, but we do know that it's a possibility we should not take out of the picture, for various reasons.

Personally, I'm not romancing any ME2 characters for both roleplaying and metagaming reasons, and I found that the game was more lonely, but it made a lot more sense to me. The game was much "deeper" when my Shepard felt alone and isolated on a Cerberus ship she didn't want to be on, didn't have anyone waiting for her after the suicide mission, and the future seems bleak and uncertain with no clear sense of what will come next. Would I have preferred a "happy ending" if it were offered in the first place? Sure, but now that I've played through the whole game this way several times, it makes the most sense, given the plot.

Now this is EXACTLY how I play ME2 with my primary Shepard (male, loyal to Ashley), and I agree.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[goofygoff]

Brodyaha wrote...



Thane's romance develops quickly (that's more to blame with the nature of ME2, however), but it's based on eventual mutual love, methinks.

I think that depends on when you recruit him. He's always the first person I pick up immediately after Horizon, so there's more time for the romance to progess over the course of the game.

[Collider]

The main problem with Thane's romance, for me personally, was how some dialog options were poorly worded and rather confusing. One comes immediately to mind, and that's the "I want you, Thane." option, which basically triggers the romance with Thane. When I first read that option, I was like "Seriously?! That's for real?!", but it turns out what Shepard actually says isn't even remotely close to how the option itself is worded.



But then again, that is a prominent and well-known problem in Mass Effect.

Well, it's good to make the romance triggers obvious. Bioware games often have trouble with them.