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simfamSP wrote...

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I understand what you mean. But do you understand that no every mages need stick to defenced them self. It's not needed because some mages are NEVER in situation where it would be needed. Some other mage may even be often that kind situation, but it's all about how you play your mage.


Yup, well I suck at being a mage, so I would very much life a stick to stick it up some Darkspawn's arse when I play my apostate Hawke <3

It's not better or worst, just different style. Some mages are even half warriors. Some mages are shapeshifters and so on..

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simfamSP wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

I understand what you mean. But do you understand that no every mages need stick to defenced them self. It's not needed because some mages are NEVER in situation where it would be needed. Some other mage may even be often that kind situation, but it's all about how you play your mage.


Yup, well I suck at being a mage, so I would very much life a stick to stick it up some Darkspawn's arse when I play my apostate Hawke <3


Why not a more practical weapon like a sword?

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Do the Tevinter Mages have to go tru a Harrowing, or something simmelair as well? Does anyone know?


From what I can tell reading the lore, yes. Magi still need to prove that they can resist possession to be a part of the Tevinter Circle, the Circle simply is the ruling political force in Tevinter.

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MariSkep wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

I understand what you mean. But do you understand that no every mages need stick to defenced them self. It's not needed because some mages are NEVER in situation where it would be needed. Some other mage may even be often that kind situation, but it's all about how you play your mage.


Yup, well I suck at being a mage, so I would very much life a stick to stick it up some Darkspawn's arse when I play my apostate Hawke <3


Why not a more practical weapon like a sword?


Yes, I would love to see a sword and a staff combo...I'm sure Lumikki won't need it since his/her mages are like chuck norris ^_^

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You might need to use the staff for defence because they are cutting down on the number of redundant spells and replacing them with upgrades for the spells they have

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I loved being a mage in DAO... but the tiny little bolts that did nothing at all?? i just wonder why they didnt put a physical staff attack in the original anyway (other than some technical issues probably). I''m sure Merlin didnt become the most powerful mage by hiting whatever was coming at him with.... whatever it is that comes out of the staff.. allthough tim the enchanter likely did something similar as my mage warden ;)

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I heard Merlin used the sword of truthiness ..... or was it named something else? oh well take that dire bunny i can now use a staff to beat you physicallyImage IPB

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pretty sure he enchanted the sword of truthines and made it...truthy

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Wonder if a Staff of Truthiness will appear :P

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Lintanis wrote...

Wonder if a Staff of Truthiness will appear :P

 
and it will be opposed by the Club of LiesImage IPB

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ProfessionalPirate wrote...

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Wonder if a Staff of Truthiness will appear :P

 
and it will be opposed by the Club Cudgel of LiesImage IPB


Fixed that for you. 

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DragonOfWhiteThunder wrote...

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Wonder if a Staff of Truthiness will appear :P

 
and it will be opposed by the Club Cudgel of LiesImage IPB


Fixed that for you. 

 
Ha Thanks

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Cudgel sounds painfull lol

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The cudgel of lies tells you that its painful but really its a pushover cudgel

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Lumikki wrote...

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So, if your Hawke is a mage, I assume you will be an apostate, like your sister is?

Yes, Hawke's father was an apostate mage, and tutored Bethany (and Hawke if he/she is a mage) in magic. So, that would make them both apostate mages. I my self don't really like this, because it cause problems with Chantry and knowing Biowares way to create stories, they will force the issue agaist players options. Meaning player has only one way to react to situation, because story is set to so that player will be Apostate and have to behave that way.


You must be joking.  More often than not, you have a choice of how to react in Bioware's games.

No, I'm not joking. You can make choises, but you can't make choises agaist story what Bioware has writen. Example if Bioware "force" you play apostate mage (Hawke or sister) agaist Chantry in story, you can't do anything agaist it, even how you would want play differently.


I disagree. In DA:O, Leliana and Morrigan couldn't be any more different, especially in terms of their view on the Chantry, and even Alistair, who nearly became a templar, didn't seem to happy about the actions of the Chantry in terms of the Harrowing and the lyrium addiction that the templars face. The Warden could either be pro or anti-Chantry, especially when it came to the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Why assume that because one character may likely be anti-Chantry, that it forces your character into the same position?

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LobselVith8 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

So, if your Hawke is a mage, I assume you will be an apostate, like your sister is?

Yes, Hawke's father was an apostate mage, and tutored Bethany (and Hawke if he/she is a mage) in magic. So, that would make them both apostate mages. I my self don't really like this, because it cause problems with Chantry and knowing Biowares way to create stories, they will force the issue agaist players options. Meaning player has only one way to react to situation, because story is set to so that player will be Apostate and have to behave that way.


You must be joking.  More often than not, you have a choice of how to react in Bioware's games.

No, I'm not joking. You can make choises, but you can't make choises agaist story what Bioware has writen. Example if Bioware "force" you play apostate mage (Hawke or sister) agaist Chantry in story, you can't do anything agaist it, even how you would want play differently.


I disagree. In DA:O, Leliana and Morrigan couldn't be any more different, especially in terms of their view on the Chantry, and even Alistair, who nearly became a templar, didn't seem to happy about the actions of the Chantry in terms of the Harrowing and the lyrium addiction that the templars face. The Warden could either be pro or anti-Chantry, especially when it came to the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Why assume that because one character may likely be anti-Chantry, that it forces your character into the same position?


also don't forget that DAO forced you to play as a circle tower mage. I would have happily picked the chance to be a hedge mage if the origin was available. Now that "origin" is availibleImage IPB

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Just watched the gameplay video on gametrailers.com and there was some really cool spell fatalities and effects

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bobolda7 wrote...

Just watched the gameplay video on gametrailers.com and there was some really cool spell fatalities and effects


How can you tell? I didn't see beth do anything note worthy.

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Mages for life.

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tool_bot wrote...

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Just watched the gameplay video on gametrailers.com and there was some really cool spell fatalities and effects


How can you tell? I didn't see beth do anything note worthy.

If you look you can see her shoot a spirit bolt and it takes out all but the feet of a darkspawn also the fireball exploded a group of darkspawn.  This is an improvement on DAO where they just fell down dead after killing them with magic.

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Her spells did appear to have a lot of oomph. Although this is the exaggerated intro, of course. But I imagine you'll be able to do stuff like that for real when you get closer to the end of the game.

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bobolda7 wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

bobolda7 wrote...

Just watched the gameplay video on gametrailers.com and there was some really cool spell fatalities and effects


How can you tell? I didn't see beth do anything note worthy.

If you look you can see her shoot a spirit bolt and it takes out all but the feet of a darkspawn also the fireball exploded a group of darkspawn.  This is an improvement on DAO where they just fell down dead after killing them with magic.


Saw that on gametrailers looked well cool, had to laugh when i saw just the boots left :D,  just seeing a bit of gameplay made me wanting to play it more :wizard::wizard:

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bobolda7 wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

bobolda7 wrote...

Just watched the gameplay video on gametrailers.com and there was some really cool spell fatalities and effects


How can you tell? I didn't see beth do anything note worthy.

If you look you can see her shoot a spirit bolt and it takes out all but the feet of a darkspawn also the fireball exploded a group of darkspawn.  This is an improvement on DAO where they just fell down dead after killing them with magic.


Rewatched it and am still feeling underwhelmed by the mages. Especially in contrast to Hawke who's rushing at enemies and blowing thru them. 

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Rewatched it and am still feeling underwhelmed by the mages. Especially in contrast to Hawke who's rushing at enemies and blowing thru them. 


Well, the mage is controlled mainly by AI and hardly used any AoE spells.

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tool_bot wrote...

bobolda7 wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

bobolda7 wrote...

Just watched the gameplay video on gametrailers.com and there was some really cool spell fatalities and effects


How can you tell? I didn't see beth do anything note worthy.

If you look you can see her shoot a spirit bolt and it takes out all but the feet of a darkspawn also the fireball exploded a group of darkspawn.  This is an improvement on DAO where they just fell down dead after killing them with magic.


Rewatched it and am still feeling underwhelmed by the mages. Especially in contrast to Hawke who's rushing at enemies and blowing thru them. 


One little video and you feel underwhelmed?  Perhaps whoever was at the controller wanted to blow through all the enemies without Bethany's help.