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[McAllyster]

I think there is an unfinished business after LotSB - Liara vs. TIM.

In a later DLC or in the ME3 it has to be resolved somehow - especially if Shepard destroyed the Collector Base.

Cerberus knows the location of the SB base, and TIM knows about Liara acting as SB. And TIM is one of the most power hungry people in the galaxy - and he could use the SB's network. (Of course for humanity's best interests, lol). TIM will try to takeover the SB's position - maybe with an attack against Liara.

What do you think?

[Synobal]

You assume TIM knows all this. my Shepard did it post suicide mission, why would he tell TIM anything.

[izmirtheastarach]

The assumption that Tim knows it comes from the mission completion screen.

[MuteSpeech]

Synobal wrote...

You assume TIM knows all this. my Shepard did it post suicide mission, why would he tell TIM anything.

I think canon would follow that no matter what you do afterward the final fight, ME3 will follow a "everything you did -> status of collector vessal" story.

[McAllyster]

I did the mission before the SM, and anyway, TIM knows about the location - if not the exact location, just the cluser or star system, it is enough for him. If Liara, who hadn't the same resources like Cerberus could figured out the exact location, TIM could figure it out also.



Plus Liara's action to play SB's role was a really surprising twist. TIM maybe thought:



"OK, we can send this data to Shepard / Liara and they'll destroy my biggest competitor in the information business, hmmmmm, cooool." I think he never dreamed about "Shepard's ex-squadmate will be the next SB".



If you play LotSB after the SM - TIM also should know about the location because I think he always know about the Normandy's actual location.

[kraidy1117]

TIM knows better then to attack Liara or even use the SB network. He is not allowed.

[ExtremeOne]

I'm still going to side with Cerberus.

[kraidy1117]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I'm still going to side with Cerberus.

[PsyrenY]

Honestly, this could go any number of ways. For the moment, I don't see TIM willing to go after Liara until the immediate threat of the Reapers is dealt with.

[McAllyster]

kraidy1117 wrote...

TIM knows better then to attack Liara or even use the SB network. He is not allowed.

Yeah, if TIM do anything with Liara, Shepard will hunt him down not matter the costs.

[kraidy1117]

McAllyster wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

TIM knows better then to attack Liara or even use the SB network. He is not allowed.

Yeah, if TIM do anything with Liara, Shepard will hunt him down not matter the costs.

TIM even harms Liara in anyway and he will have a Geth shotgun with his name on it gunning for him.

[Zulu_DFA]

TIM's primary objective is to defeat the Reapers. To this end he brought Shepard back, upgraded him, gave him the SR-2 and a list of fashion show winners. Replacing the Shadow Broker with a person loyal to Shepard (and not very fond of any other faction) is another big Cerberus success. In the case of, for instance, my Shepard, who is loyal to TIM, it's a HUGE Cerberus success.

[Voutsis1982]

McAllyster wrote...
If Liara, who hadn't the same resources like Cerberus could figured out the exact location, TIM could figure it out also.

It may be the other way around resourcewise. Cerberus had this intel and didn't use it - likely because they didn't know how valuable it was, and lacked the technical expertise or contacts to make sense of it. Otherwise they would have gone after the Broker themselves and either put a hole in his ship, or installed surveillance equipment to listen in on the Broker's network. The Illusive Man plays himself as an evil genius but we've seen his limits. This network is now in the hands of someone who doesn't like Cerberus very much.

But I don't doubt they can work it out now. Those monitoring devices on the Normandy will have told the Illusive Man where the SR2 went. They were probably telling the Shadow Broker too.

Bear in mind that while the Broker vessel is a cool thing, nothing is stopping Liara from moving the ship somewhere else in the storm [it's not that easy to search thousands and thousands of kilometers of lightning-filled storm bank], or once the network is pieced back together moving the hub to another location off-world.

Modifié par Voutsis1982, 12 septembre 2010 - 08:50 .

[cglasgow]

Well, if they keep the Shadow Broker Base as a mission/rest-and-refit hub in ME3, Bioware will probably want to update or redecorate it a little as they think of new features/graphics to use in development... so Liara's moving operations to a new base would be a perfect excuse for them to do that.

[Xilizhra]

Quite frankly, I would have been happy to side with the Yahg Shadow Broker against Cerberus; sure, he tried to sell me to the Collectors, but I was dead and it was just business. Of course, when he tried to hurt Liara, that was clearly no longer an option.

[izmirtheastarach]

Selling you to the Collectors was not just business. He was trying to curry favor with the Reapers.



To the OP: Liara could probably just move the ship. Also, I plan to be bossin TiM around in ME3. I want him under my thumb.

[McAllyster]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Selling you to the Collectors was not just business. He was trying to curry favor with the Reapers.

To the OP: Liara could probably just move the ship. Also, I plan to be bossin TiM around in ME3. I want him under my thumb.

I'm not sure, but the SB ship is very specifically designed for this planet only. Constantly moving on the planet's terminator, the energy source are the constant lightnings...

I think moving the datacenter only is more possible than the ship's relocation.

[ExtremeOne]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I'm still going to side with Cerberus.

  


My comment was not a shot at Liara.  but as far as My Shepard goes one that will do what ever it takes to save humanity and the galaxy from the reapers and is about getting things. yeah i like Cerberus better.   

[fongiel24]

In a straight fight, I think Cerberus could slap down the Shadow Broker's forces easily. Well-funded terrorist group with a dedicated military division vs. the SB's mercs, that fight should go Cerberus' way. The Shadow Broker's business is information, not fighting wars.



That said, a conflict would never become a straight fight because the SB has enough intelligence on Cerberus that SB could easily reveal nearly everything about Cerberus to the Council. You'd have something like Grayson's betrayal of Cerberus in Retribution, only ten times worse. If Grayson gathered enough intel in his relatively short time working with Cerberus to put a serious hurting on them, the SB with his infinitely greater information gathering resources and contacts could put Cerberus in the ground permanently.

[jlb524]

Considering that Cerberus was weakened in Retribution, I doubt they could go against the Shadow Broker. I doubt Cerberus could before this. Just about everything they've tried to do has failed.

[Homebound]

Pre-Suicide. Cerberus. Post-Suicide. Gloves are off, down with Cerberus!

[Zulu_DFA]

fongiel24 wrote...

In a straight fight, I think Cerberus could slap down the Shadow Broker's forces easily. Well-funded terrorist group with a dedicated military division vs. the SB's mercs, that fight should go Cerberus' way. The Shadow Broker's business is information, not fighting wars.

That said, a conflict would never become a straight fight because the SB has enough intelligence on Cerberus that SB could easily reveal nearly everything about Cerberus to the Council. You'd have something like Grayson's betrayal of Cerberus in Retribution, only ten times worse. If Grayson gathered enough intel in his relatively short time working with Cerberus to put a serious hurting on them, the SB with his infinitely greater information gathering resources and contacts could put Cerberus in the ground permanently.

In case you didn't know, Cerberus TOOK OUT the Shadow Broker with a simple "Hey, Shep, if you don't mind..." e-mail. And TSB's info on Cerberus isn't all good. 4 cigarettes? Come on, TIM smokes a lot more than that!!!

Now, the Shadow Broker's ship doesn't come across as a space-faring one... One antimatter torpedo from a stealth frigate should do the job, if Liara ever becomes a problem.

[JamieCOTC]

Paragon Shep will be too much of an idealist for TIM to allow to live. Renegade Shep (those who gave TIM the base) has outlived his usefulness.TIM is most liekley going to want Shep dead no matter what. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:53 .