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[Dean_the_Young]

If you assume TIM is a two-bit villain idiot who contradicts himself.



I mean, it's not like the man brought Paragon or Renegade Shepard back from the dead for any reason or anything.

[theelementslayer]

If TIM even thinks about touching my little blueberry hes going to get shot in the head with my widow. I like him, hes a shrewd, smart guy who has a huge network at his hands but he will not be allowed to touch her.

[fongiel24]

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

In case you didn't know, Cerberus TOOK OUT the Shadow Broker with a simple "Hey, Shep, if you don't mind..." e-mail. And TSB's info on Cerberus isn't all good. 4 cigarettes? Come on, TIM smokes a lot more than that!!!

[/quote]

See the following:

[quote]
To: Shepard

From: Cerberus Information Processing



We're aware that your old friend Liara T'Soni has been hunting for the
Shadow Broker for several years. We wouldn't mind helping her in that
hunt, given the Broker's past work for the Collectors. We recently
uncovered some information that might give Liara a lead on where to find
the Shadow Broker's base of operations, but unfortunately, she doesn't
have much faith in Cerberus intel. If you'd visit Illium and pass it on
to her as a gesture of goodwill, we'd appreciate it.

[/quote]

Cerberus only gives Liara a lead via Shepard. That doesn't mean Cerberus knows where the Shadow Broker is hiding. Only through the combination of two years of Liara hunting the Shadow Broker AND Cerberus' tip allow Shepard to find the Shadow Broker.

[/quote]
Now, the Shadow Broker's ship doesn't come across as a space-faring
one... One antimatter torpedo from a stealth frigate should do the
job, if Liara ever becomes a problem.[/quote]

You mean the stealth frigate which took them years to build covertly and of which they only built one of and handed over to Shepard? What do you think are the chances they managed to build a second without the Shadow Broker knowing about it, considering that the SB knows exactly how many drinks and smokes TIM has had each day? Even if Cerberus did have a second, the SB managed to install bugs and spy cameras inside the SR-2. The chances of Cerberus being able to sneak up on the SB aren't great when the SB has so thoroughly infiltrated their organization.

I like Cerberus and TIM (see my signature) but I don't think this is a fight they would go looking for, particularly after the events of Retribution. Having Liara as the SB makes the SB network too useful to destroy and the SB network's infiltration of Cerberus makes the SB too dangerous to attempt to destroy.

Modifié par fongiel24, 13 septembre 2010 - 01:06 .

[JamieCOTC]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If you assume TIM is a two-bit villain idiot who contradicts himself.

I mean, it's not like the man brought Paragon or Renegade Shepard back from the dead for any reason or anything.

That pretty much sums it up for me. 

[jbblue05]

[quote]fongiel24 wrote...

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

In case you didn't know, Cerberus TOOK OUT the Shadow Broker with a simple "Hey, Shep, if you don't mind..." e-mail. And TSB's info on Cerberus isn't all good. 4 cigarettes? Come on, TIM smokes a lot more than that!!!

[/quote]

See the following:

[quote]
To: Shepard

From: Cerberus Information Processing



We're aware that your old friend Liara T'Soni has been hunting for the
Shadow Broker for several years. We wouldn't mind helping her in that
hunt, given the Broker's past work for the Collectors. We recently
uncovered some information that might give Liara a lead on where to find
the Shadow Broker's base of operations, but unfortunately, she doesn't
have much faith in Cerberus intel. If you'd visit Illium and pass it on
to her as a gesture of goodwill, we'd appreciate it.

[/quote]

Cerberus only gives Liara a lead via Shepard. That doesn't mean Cerberus knows where the Shadow Broker is hiding. Only through the combination of two years of Liara hunting the Shadow Broker AND Cerberus' tip allow Shepard to find the Shadow Broker.

[/quote]
Now, the Shadow Broker's ship doesn't come across as a space-faring
one... One antimatter torpedo from a stealth frigate should do the
job, if Liara ever becomes a problem.[/quote]

You mean the stealth frigate which took them years to build covertly and of which they only built one of and handed over to Shepard? What do you think are the chances they managed to build a second without the Shadow Broker knowing about it, considering that the SB knows exactly how many drinks and smokes TIM has had each day? Even if Cerberus did have a second, the SB managed to install bugs and spy cameras inside the SR-2. The chances of Cerberus being able to sneak up on the SB aren't great when the SB has so thoroughly infiltrated their organization.

I like Cerberus and TIM (see my signature) but I don't think this is a fight they would go looking for, particularly after the events of Retribution. Having Liara as the SB makes the SB network too useful to destroy and the SB network's infiltration of Cerberus makes the SB too dangerous to attempt to destroy.

[/quote]





Cerberus knows where the base is they would make sure Saket info is valid before sending Shepard on the trail

A Cerberus agent found out the location of the Shadow Broker base A Cerberus double-agent crossed the SB to retrieve Shepard's body I'm guessing Cerberus is doing a good job infiltrating the SB

I think Cerberus wants Shepard or Liara to become the new SB if he wanted it for himself he wouldn't send Shepard .
If TIM wanted the SB base really bad he would send Kai Leng and Cerberus commandos people who are committed to the Cerberus cause.

Cerberus gains as much as Shepard and Liara gains

Modifié par jbblue05, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:15 .

[McAllyster]

I
think Cerberus wants Shepard or Liara to become the new SB if he wanted
it for himself he wouldn't send Shepard .

TIM just wanted to kill SB I suppose. To replace SB with Liara was not his plan.

[snfonseka]

McAllyster wrote...

I think there is an unfinished business after LotSB - Liara vs. TIM.

In a later DLC or in the ME3 it has to be resolved somehow - especially if Shepard destroyed the Collector Base.

Cerberus knows the location of the SB base, and TIM knows about Liara acting as SB. And TIM is one of the most power hungry people in the galaxy - and he could use the SB's network. (Of course for humanity's best interests, lol). TIM will try to takeover the SB's position - maybe with an attack against Liara.

What do you think?

TIM is a wise man.
A wise man will never work against Shepard, because the outcome is obvious.
So TIM will never work against Shepard.

[snfonseka]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

In a straight fight, I think Cerberus could slap down the Shadow Broker's forces easily. Well-funded terrorist group with a dedicated military division vs. the SB's mercs, that fight should go Cerberus' way. The Shadow Broker's business is information, not fighting wars.

That said, a conflict would never become a straight fight because the SB has enough intelligence on Cerberus that SB could easily reveal nearly everything about Cerberus to the Council. You'd have something like Grayson's betrayal of Cerberus in Retribution, only ten times worse. If Grayson gathered enough intel in his relatively short time working with Cerberus to put a serious hurting on them, the SB with his infinitely greater information gathering resources and contacts could put Cerberus in the ground permanently.

In case you didn't know, Cerberus TOOK OUT the Shadow Broker with a simple "Hey, Shep, if you don't mind..." e-mail. And TSB's info on Cerberus isn't all good. 4 cigarettes? Come on, TIM smokes a lot more than that!!!

Now, the Shadow Broker's ship doesn't come across as a space-faring one... One antimatter torpedo from a stealth frigate should do the job, if Liara ever becomes a problem.

Then TIM has to wait for a long time to build one.

[smudboy]

Those two obviously need to come to the Normandy for drinks.

[Zulu_DFA]

snfonseka wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

In a straight fight, I think Cerberus could slap down the Shadow Broker's forces easily. Well-funded terrorist group with a dedicated military division vs. the SB's mercs, that fight should go Cerberus' way. The Shadow Broker's business is information, not fighting wars.

That said, a conflict would never become a straight fight because the SB has enough intelligence on Cerberus that SB could easily reveal nearly everything about Cerberus to the Council. You'd have something like Grayson's betrayal of Cerberus in Retribution, only ten times worse. If Grayson gathered enough intel in his relatively short time working with Cerberus to put a serious hurting on them, the SB with his infinitely greater information gathering resources and contacts could put Cerberus in the ground permanently.

In case you didn't know, Cerberus TOOK OUT the Shadow Broker with a simple "Hey, Shep, if you don't mind..." e-mail. And TSB's info on Cerberus isn't all good. 4 cigarettes? Come on, TIM smokes a lot more than that!!!

Now, the Shadow Broker's ship doesn't come across as a space-faring one... One antimatter torpedo from a stealth frigate should do the job, if Liara ever becomes a problem.

Then TIM has to wait for a long time to build one.

Or ask his old buddy Hackett to send one.

[jbblue05]

McAllyster wrote...

I
think Cerberus wants Shepard or Liara to become the new SB if he wanted
it for himself he wouldn't send Shepard .

TIM just wanted to kill SB I suppose. To replace SB with Liara was not his plan.

So TIM wants to take out the Collectors and keep the base for technology gains
But he wants to kill the SB and not get access to his databases

I believe it was his plan for Shep or Liara to take over. TIM can't be at two places at once
Kai Leng would be a better choice to claim the SB base for Cerberus then a Shepard who blew up the Collectors base

I think Cerberus is still using Feron as a double agent and/or they are hacking into the SB databases undetected.

Cerberus seems to gain a lot of SB intel even thought Liara is the new SB and not TIM

[Monochrome Wench]

Cerberus and Liara worked together in the past to recover Shepards body. Its not like they are enemies. Cerberus may be advantaged by destroying the ship getting rid of everyone elses covert/illegal intelligence source, as Cerberus still has its own sources. However just because Cerberus has its own sources doesn't mean that the Shadow Brokers sources are not valuable to it too. Cerberus might even try to play for favours. They massively helped out Liara, they might consider that she owes them for their help. I could imagine that Cerberus might even offer 'security' services for the new Shadow Broker.

[tonnactus]

jbblue05 wrote...


I think Cerberus is still using Feron as a double agent and/or they are hacking into the SB databases undetected.

So Feron would betray the person who rescued his life and free him from torture?Doesnt make much sense...
The better deal is it to became the number 2 in the shadow broker hierarchy then to work for a human terrorists group.
Even regarding money.

[mosor]

snfonseka wrote...

Then TIM has to wait for a long time to build one.

Normandy class ships are being mass produced these days. The first couple always take the longest and are the most expensive. These days it's just another ship. If you play renegade, N7 marines on another normandy class ship (the ain jalut) take out the batarian solar array.

[tonnactus]

McAllyster wrote...

I think there is an unfinished business after LotSB - Liara vs. TIM.

In a later DLC or in the ME3 it has to be resolved somehow - especially if Shepard destroyed the Collector Base.

Cerberus knows the location of the SB base, and TIM knows about Liara acting as SB. And TIM is one of the most power hungry people in the galaxy - and he could use the SB's network. (Of course for humanity's best interests, lol). TIM will try to takeover the SB's position - maybe with an attack against Liara.

Liara is not so stupid to leave the ship where they found it.Like the illusive man mooved his base after the turian attack.

[jbblue05]

tonnactus wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...


I think Cerberus is still using Feron as a double agent and/or they are hacking into the SB databases undetected.

So Feron would betray the person who rescued his life and free him from torture?Doesnt make much sense...
The better deal is it to became the number 2 in the shadow broker hierarchy then to work for a human terrorists group.
Even regarding money.

You can't judge his motives you don't know who he is loyal to.

He was a double agent for Cerberus before he was captured I don't see why he wouldn't still be working for them

Part of being a double-agent is to make it seem like your on the opponents side.

You don't know who has the upper-hand Liara or Cerberus.
I'm guessing its Cerberus since it was their plan all along

[jbblue05]

tonnactus wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

I think there is an unfinished business after LotSB - Liara vs. TIM.

In a later DLC or in the ME3 it has to be resolved somehow - especially if Shepard destroyed the Collector Base.

Cerberus knows the location of the SB base, and TIM knows about Liara acting as SB. And TIM is one of the most power hungry people in the galaxy - and he could use the SB's network. (Of course for humanity's best interests, lol). TIM will try to takeover the SB's position - maybe with an attack against Liara.

Liara is not so stupid to leave the ship where they found it.Like the illusive man mooved his base after the turian attack.

You do know the ship has a major flaw.

Its powered by the lightning storm and provides a great hideout.

Liara even says if the engines shut down it would fall to its doom

[ObserverStatus]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I'm still going to side with Cerberus.

You made Liara cry! I hope you feel good ExtremeOne.

[Dean_the_Young]

tonnactus wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

I think there is an unfinished business after LotSB - Liara vs. TIM.

In a later DLC or in the ME3 it has to be resolved somehow - especially if Shepard destroyed the Collector Base.

Cerberus knows the location of the SB base, and TIM knows about Liara acting as SB. And TIM is one of the most power hungry people in the galaxy - and he could use the SB's network. (Of course for humanity's best interests, lol). TIM will try to takeover the SB's position - maybe with an attack against Liara.

Liara is not so stupid to leave the ship where they found it.Like the illusive man mooved his base after the turian attack.

It's stuck. On a single planet. At a predictable and specific longitude.

It isn't hard to find again.

[darknoon5]

These threats to TIM are pointless...even if we knew where he is, he has countless of other elite soldiers and assassins like Kai Leng he could pit against you.

[nelly21]

Yeah. and the ship is built specifically to navigate in that planet. She can't move it.

[Barquiel]

jbblue05 wrote...

You can't judge his motives you don't know who he is loyal to.

He was a double agent for Cerberus before he was captured I don't see why he wouldn't still be working for them

Part of being a double-agent is to make it seem like your on the opponents side.

You don't know who has the upper-hand Liara or Cerberus.
I'm guessing its Cerberus since it was their plan all along

Feron was disgusted that the SB worked with the collectors. That's why he helped Cerberus/Liara to find Shepards remains.
Liara doesn't work for the collectors.

...and Liara has the upper hand, she can ask Shepard for help:wub:

[VanguardtoDestruction]

My "Do whatever it takes" Shepard would let TIM use the SB network to his hearts content because Cerberus can utilize that information in a much more militarized way than Liara could by herself.



My "Do whatever it takes without being evil" Shepard would keep Liara's position as a secret from Cerberus and then use both organizations to get things done. That is if TIM even keeps Shepard, although I think he will. He may have been extremely pissed that I destroyed the base but he knows that Shep is integral against the Reapers so he won't want to get rid of us.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I actually think of Liara being the new Shadow Broker as a very positive thing, regardless of what Cerberus may or may not do about it. After all, without their hand, we wouldn't have put an end to the Shadow Broker's games.



That being said, if they ever approach Liara negatively, my Widow will be more than happy to take part.

[jbblue05]

Barquiel wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

You can't judge his motives you don't know who he is loyal to.

He was a double agent for Cerberus before he was captured I don't see why he wouldn't still be working for them

Part of being a double-agent is to make it seem like your on the opponents side.

You don't know who has the upper-hand Liara or Cerberus.
I'm guessing its Cerberus since it was their plan all along

Feron was disgusted that the SB worked with the collectors. That's why he helped Cerberus/Liara to find Shepards remains.
Liara doesn't work for the collectors.

...and Liara has the upper hand, she can ask Shepard for help:wub:

Feron's allegiance is still a mystery all we know is he's unperdictable and double-crosses people a lot
I think he's playing the field.

Liara and Shepard's relationship is something TIM can easily exploit
Remember it was TIM's plan all along for the SB to be taken down 
TIM doesn't act on impulse he has a greater objective in which he comes out on top.

But Shepard is a clear advantage for Liara