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[fourstringwizard]

In ME1, she was a young, shy, somewhat vulnerable archaeologist.  You also get the sense she wasn't the greatest fighter, either.  Fast forward a mere two years later, and she:

-Is the only one to recover Shepard's body and gives it to Cerberus. 
-Becomes a powerful information broker on Ilium (ends up even having intel on the Shadow Broker himself)
-Gains a brand-new, cold-hearted persona (threatens to flay people with her mind!)
-Becomes seemingly unkillable in combat.  She survives a sniper attack, bombs going off in three floors, and can't even be taken down by a spectre.
-And finally, defeats the Shadow Broker and becomes the most powerful information broker in the galaxy. 

While I like Liara's character, I thought her transition from "meek nerd" to "powerful, all-knowing biotch" was too quick and extreme.  What the other squadmates from ME1 achieved didn't even come close to what she did.

As a side note, I was also a little disappointed you never really got to call her out on her obsession with revenge and her change in nature.  Millions of lives are at stake in ME2, and she couldn't put aside her vendetta to help Shepard with something that was far more important.  If I were Shepard, I may not have even trusted her after that!

Am I the only one who felt this way?  (Apologies if this has been done before, and this is NOT a troll post!)

[Shadow_broker]

Liara isn't all Powerful

She only survived the attacks due to her obssesive paranoia and shepard+squad members protection

[fongiel24]

fourstringwizard wrote...

In ME1, she was a young, shy, somewhat vulnerable archaeologist.  You also get the sense she wasn't the greatest fighter, either.  Fast forward a mere two years later, and she:

-Is the only one to recover Shepard's body and gives it to Cerberus. 
-Becomes a powerful information broker on Ilium (ends up even having intel on the Shadow Broker himself)
-Gains a brand-new, cold-hearted persona (threatens to flay people with her mind!)
-Becomes seemingly unkillable in combat.  She survives a sniper attack, bombs going off in three floors, and can't even be taken down by a spectre.
-And finally, defeats the Shadow Broker and becomes the most powerful information broker in the galaxy. 

While I like Liara's character, I thought her transition from "meek nerd" to "powerful, all-knowing biotch" was too quick and extreme.  What the other squadmates from ME1 achieved didn't even come close to what she did.

As a side note, I was also a little disappointed you never really got to call her out on her obsession with revenge and her change in nature.  Millions of lives are at stake in ME2, and she couldn't put aside her vendetta to help Shepard with something that was far more important.  If I were Shepard, I may not have even trusted her after that!

Am I the only one who felt this way?  (Apologies if this has been done before, and this is NOT a troll post!)

Interesting post.

I wasn't surprised by Liara attempting to protect Shepard's body from the Collectors. What did surprise me was that she was the only member of Shepard's old crew to do so. Disregarding the love factor (since not all Shepards romanced her), it might be that the multiple mindmelds they shared created a bond between Shepard and Liara that the others didn't have.

I can buy the new persona (she would have had to toughen up in her quest to recover Shepard's body) but Liara becoming a powerful information broker on Illium in only two years is farfetched. Recall that in ME1 she tells Shepard that she's shy, isn't good with people, and likes to be alone. How does somebody like this gain the vast net of contacts an information broker would need? Where did she get the money and other resources to set up her network?

Her surviving two separate assassination attempts and taking on a Spectre weren't too hard for me to accept. The assassination attempts might just be luck, and she has another Spectre on her side when she's fighting Vasir. The transition to Shadow Broker is another case that requires suspension of disbelief, as she's only been in the information broker business for two years. Taking over an information network the size of the SB's doesn't seem like something you can just "learn on the job".

[Malanek]

If all you consider a "Mary Sue" character to be is powerful and highly competent then bring on the Mary Sues. Why would a weakling play an important role in a story such as this? I was under the impression that a Mary Sue had no character flaws and was always in control of the situation. That would be boring, but that isn't the case.

[DigitalMaster37]

I detect haterade.



@OP, I think that you're looking on the surface. With shy people, they don't always telegraph there abilities and skills so well as they are....shy



Liara was always a gifted fighter (Biotics) and to add to that, she was fueled by love or a strong care for Sheperd. So although I note your concern, I think it is unfounded. She was never a weak fighter or Sheperd wouldn't have recruited her. Plus Wrex recommended her himself and he is a Krogan battlemaster. His line exactly: "Her biotics will come in handy once the fighting starts"

[fourstringwizard]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I detect haterade.

@OP, I think that you're looking on the surface. With shy people, they don't always telegraph there abilities and skills so well as they are....shy

Liara was always a gifted fighter (Biotics) and to add to that, she was fueled by love or a strong care for Sheperd. So although I note your concern, I think it is unfounded. She was never a weak fighter or Sheperd wouldn't have recruited her. Plus Wrex recommended her himself and he is a Krogan battlemaster. His line exactly: "Her biotics will come in handy once the fighting starts"

Point taken about combat (though keep in mind Shepard doesn't recruit everyone for their fighting skills), but how was she, someone shy and withdrawn, able to suddenly establish herself as an information broker in less than two years?  And then seamlessly take over as the Shadow Broker without a hitch?  And finally, why did Bioware make it so that she seemed to care more about Shepard than anyone else?  It sort of, in my opinion, elevates her while downplaying the care/loyalty of other squadmates. 

Modifié par fourstringwizard, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:01 .

[DigitalMaster37]

fourstringwizard wrote...

Point taken about combat (though keep in mind Shepard doesn't recruit everyone for their fighting skills), but how was she, someone shy and withdrawn, able to suddenly establish herself as an information broker in less than two years? 

I think the answer to this is easy. This position doesn't require you become a hardened person. She for one was already an information broker. She is obviously very smart as she is a scientist and thus the position kind of lends itself to her personality. She is more of a recluse than she is a socialite anyway. Being locked away from the public eyes just fits her. Also she has been through a whole lot of hurt in that same span of 2 years. SHe lost her mother, seemingly lost Sheperd, and then now her friend who saved her life. She was struggling with needing people to always rescure her, so she decided to put an end to it. Even though two years isn't a long time, when you go through what she went through, you have no choice but to get an edge about you.

And finally, why did Bioware make it so that she seemed to care more about Shepard than anyone else?  It sort of, in my opinion, elevates her while downplaying the care/loyalty of other squadmates. 

Well that is just the way the story goes. Everybody's favorite character can't be the most important and why would they need to. Liara just cares deeply where the others may or may not. We can conclude that she does care more than the others, but IMO it shouldn't take anything away from the other characters. It's like we sometimes have friends who would go the extra mile for us where some of our other friends may not. You don't devalue your other friends, but you just know that if you suddenly die, you got one friend that is going to try and recover your body even if you are in a million pieces.

[Adhin]

You know once she joined shepard she was basically thrown into war time scenarios constantly. Was forced to, more or less deal with a lot of stuff. I would say its not so much that she was just horribly shy as she is a lot like me in that. I'm a bit of a hermit, I tend to stay to my self. But when I get out or get used to something I tend to be open and so forth.



Sometimes it just takes a week or 2 of getting used to something before the confidence kicks in and you seem like a different person. She helped save the galaxy and had a drive to save Shep, once that was over she was freaking out, feeling guilty about some guy who sacrificed him self to save her and your body so she could get away with Shep. The information broker was the quickest path to trying to attempt said rescue or at least find out what happened and expose the Broker.



And its like she says near the end, though not quite as direct. But the Brokers job is more cataloging and keeping track of information. Where as her job on Illium had her more out of her element where she had to constantly track down stuff to get what she needed. with the SB, a lot of its automated, she just has to file and order it (with help from the drone).



Frankly the DLC made it all seem 'right' to me.

[fourstringwizard]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

fourstringwizard wrote...

Point taken about combat (though keep in mind Shepard doesn't recruit everyone for their fighting skills), but how was she, someone shy and withdrawn, able to suddenly establish herself as an information broker in less than two years? 

I think the answer to this is easy. This position doesn't require you become a hardened person. She for one was already an information broker. She is obviously very smart as she is a scientist and thus the position kind of lends itself to her personality. She is more of a recluse than she is a socialite anyway. Being locked away from the public eyes just fits her. Also she has been through a whole lot of hurt in that same span of 2 years. SHe lost her mother, seemingly lost Sheperd, and then now her friend who saved her life. She was struggling with needing people to always rescure her, so she decided to put an end to it. Even though two years isn't a long time, when you go through what she went through, you have no choice but to get an edge about you.

And finally, why did Bioware make it so that she seemed to care more about Shepard than anyone else?  It sort of, in my opinion, elevates her while downplaying the care/loyalty of other squadmates. 

Well that is just the way the story goes. Everybody's favorite character can't be the most important and why would they need to. Liara just cares deeply where the others may or may not. We can conclude that she does care more than the others, but IMO it shouldn't take anything away from the other characters. It's like we sometimes have friends who would go the extra mile for us where some of our other friends may not. You don't devalue your other friends, but you just know that if you suddenly die, you got one friend that is going to try and recover your body even if you are in a million pieces.

1.  But that extreme?  And that fast?  Not believable, if you ask me.  Hardened persona does not equal instant information broker.

2.  Except it DOES downplay it, because it implies they're still not willing to "go that extra mile".  It doesn't show much respect to the other squadmates.  And she didn't care more about Shepard than anyone else, it just SEEMED that way with how they wrote her.  I think was just in the right place at the right time.  And, unlike all the other squadmates, she had no other loyalties or responsibilites to attend to.  Wrex/Tali had to help their people, Kaiden/Ashley were alliance soldiers, and Garrus had C-Sec/Spectre training.  Liara, however, was on her own.  Anyway, I don't like to get too involved in the character wars, so I'll leave it at that. 

[upsettingshorts]

Probably, but I'm not complaining.

[DigitalMaster37]

fourstringwizard wrote...

1.  But that extreme?  And that fast?  Not believable, if you ask me.  Hardened persona does not equal instant information broker.

I agree, but your assuming it takes this incredibly hardened person to be the shadow broker. It doesn't, it is much easier than what she did prior if you ask me.

2.  Except it DOES downplay it, because it implies they're still not willing to "go that extra mile".  It doesn't show much respect to the other squadmates.  And she didn't care more about Shepard than anyone else, it just SEEMED that way with how they wrote her.  I think was just in the right place at the right time.  And, unlike all the other squadmates, she had no other loyalties or responsibilites to attend to.  Wrex/Tali had to help their people, Kaiden/Ashley were alliance soldiers, and Garrus had C-Sec/Spectre training.  Liara, however, was on her own.  Anyway, I don't like to get too involved in the character wars, so I'll leave it at that. 

Honestly I think she did care more and I also think that it was the writers intention to do so. Everybody doesn't care the same about a person no matter what, so if the writers somehow painted a picture that the others cared just as much, how good of a story would that have been? not good at all. I think it is just what it is and their really is no specific logic to it. Liara cared more, point blank. It sucks in a way I know, but really I don't think it takes away from them too much either. Everybody handles tragedy differently. Where Liara went searching for Shep, who knows what the others were doing, if anything? that portion of the story wasn't told, so it's not that they didn't care, it is just that we don't know what lengths they went for Sheperd.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:37 .

[Stormy-B]

fongiel24 wrote...

Interesting post.

I wasn't surprised by Liara attempting to protect Shepard's body from the Collectors. What did surprise me was that she was the only member of Shepard's old crew to do so. Disregarding the love factor (since not all Shepards romanced her), it might be that the multiple mindmelds they shared created a bond between Shepard and Liara that the others didn't have.

She was also the only one available really. Ash/Kai and all the other surviving Alliance personnel would have been transferred pretty quickly, Wrex returned to Tuchanka, probably even before the attack on the Normandy. Tali went back to the quarian fleet to finish her pilgrimage, Garrus had his plans, and had basically made a promise to Shep, to become a Spectre and/or go back to C-sec depending on how you influenced him. Liara on the other hand would, apart from the mindmelds you mentioned, pretty much been without a plan for what to do. I get the feeling that she was lost after the attack and that getting Sheps body back from SB and later get revenge on SB gave her a purpose that she felt lacking immediately after Sheps death.

[DigitalMaster37]

Stormy-B wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Interesting post.

I wasn't surprised by Liara attempting to protect Shepard's body from the Collectors. What did surprise me was that she was the only member of Shepard's old crew to do so. Disregarding the love factor (since not all Shepards romanced her), it might be that the multiple mindmelds they shared created a bond between Shepard and Liara that the others didn't have.

She was also the only one available really. Ash/Kai and all the other surviving Alliance personnel would have been transferred pretty quickly, Wrex returned to Tuchanka, probably even before the attack on the Normandy. Tali went back to the quarian fleet to finish her pilgrimage, Garrus had his plans, and had basically made a promise to Shep, to become a Spectre and/or go back to C-sec depending on how you influenced him. Liara on the other hand would, apart from the mindmelds you mentioned, pretty much been without a plan for what to do. I get the feeling that she was lost after the attack and that getting Sheps body back from SB and later get revenge on SB gave her a purpose that she felt lacking immediately after Sheps death.

Stormy-B, I think that is a very good analysis of the situation. I think your right. Yet I can't say she didn't have much to do. She obviously picked back up her research on the protheans and such as she has tons of Ilos Prothean memorabilia. I think at the end of the day she just was more inclined to go looking for him/her. Like fongiel said, I think the mindmelds could have had something to do with it.

[Stormy-B]

fourstringwizard wrote...

 why did Bioware make it so that she seemed to care more about Shepard than anyone else?  It sort of, in my opinion, elevates her while downplaying the care/loyalty of other squadmates. 

Different people reacts differently to loss, that others might have moved on faster and/or gotten ather assignments doesn't make them in one bit less caring or loyal.

[Stormy-B]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Interesting post.

I wasn't surprised by Liara attempting to protect Shepard's body from the Collectors. What did surprise me was that she was the only member of Shepard's old crew to do so. Disregarding the love factor (since not all Shepards romanced her), it might be that the multiple mindmelds they shared created a bond between Shepard and Liara that the others didn't have.

She was also the only one available really. Ash/Kai and all the other surviving Alliance personnel would have been transferred pretty quickly, Wrex returned to Tuchanka, probably even before the attack on the Normandy, either that or he was dead. Tali went back to the quarian fleet to finish her pilgrimage, Garrus had his plans, and had basically made a promise to Shep, to become a Spectre and/or go back to C-sec depending on how you influenced him. Liara on the other hand would, apart from the mindmelds you mentioned, pretty much been without a plan for what to do. I get the feeling that she was lost after the attack and that getting Sheps body back from SB and later get revenge on SB gave her a purpose that she felt lacking immediately after Sheps death.

Stormy-B, I think that is a very good analysis of the situation. I think your right. Yet I can't say she didn't have much to do. She obviously picked back up her research on the protheans and such as she has tons of Ilos Prothean memorabilia. I think at the end of the day she just was more inclined to go looking for him/her. Like fongiel said, I think the mindmelds could have had something to do with it.

She probably had tons of work to catch up on, as she had been all lazy on the Normandy for who knows how long with Shep But I think of it more like her perspective on her work changed, being thrust from a relatively calm environment straight into a raging warzone and having all kinds of traumatic experiences has a tendency to change people.
But I agree, the melds probably gave her a deeper connection with Shep that others never could claim to have. Add that to the fact that she basically owes Shep her life since Therum and you've got quite a motivated person for a "rescue" operation.
Edit: It's extremely rare that I kill Wrex on Virmire so I forgot that he can be dead

Modifié par Stormy-B, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:01 .

[Stormy-B]

Shavon wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Liara isn't all Powerful
She only survived the attacks due to her obssesive paranoia and shepard+squad members protection

Yep, someone knows Liara's character well . . . .

At first, Liara's personality "shift" seems extreme and incredibly out of character, but you have to remember, Liara is the 'type' that can harbor a grudge.  She is also very competent, and patient.  Taking revenge out on the SB would take time, careful planning etc.

So, part of her image in ME2 was a facade, not a character shift.  At all.  

This. You good sir/madame. I believe that thus you have spoken truthfully.

[DigitalMaster37]

Stormy-B wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Interesting post.

I wasn't surprised by Liara attempting to protect Shepard's body from the Collectors. What did surprise me was that she was the only member of Shepard's old crew to do so. Disregarding the love factor (since not all Shepards romanced her), it might be that the multiple mindmelds they shared created a bond between Shepard and Liara that the others didn't have.

She was also the only one available really. Ash/Kai and all the other surviving Alliance personnel would have been transferred pretty quickly, Wrex returned to Tuchanka, probably even before the attack on the Normandy. Tali went back to the quarian fleet to finish her pilgrimage, Garrus had his plans, and had basically made a promise to Shep, to become a Spectre and/or go back to C-sec depending on how you influenced him. Liara on the other hand would, apart from the mindmelds you mentioned, pretty much been without a plan for what to do. I get the feeling that she was lost after the attack and that getting Sheps body back from SB and later get revenge on SB gave her a purpose that she felt lacking immediately after Sheps death.

Stormy-B, I think that is a very good analysis of the situation. I think your right. Yet I can't say she didn't have much to do. She obviously picked back up her research on the protheans and such as she has tons of Ilos Prothean memorabilia. I think at the end of the day she just was more inclined to go looking for him/her. Like fongiel said, I think the mindmelds could have had something to do with it.

She probably had tons of work to catch up on, as she had been all lazy on the Normandy for who knows how long with Shep But I think of it more like her perspective on her work changed, being thrust from a relatively calm environment straight into a raging warzone and having all kinds of traumatic experiences has a tendency to change people.
But I agree, the melds probably gave her a deeper connection with Shep that others never could claim to have. Add that to the fact that she basically owes Shep her life since Therum and you've got quite a motivated person for a "rescue" operation.

I totally agree with that. Liara had just lost her mother, and now seemingly Sheperd. She was an emotional wreck and couple that with the fact that Sheperd saved her life. I am sure she didn't want to lose Sheperd and felt she owed it to him/her to search high and low.

[Stormy-B]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Interesting post.

I wasn't surprised by Liara attempting to protect Shepard's body from the Collectors. What did surprise me was that she was the only member of Shepard's old crew to do so. Disregarding the love factor (since not all Shepards romanced her), it might be that the multiple mindmelds they shared created a bond between Shepard and Liara that the others didn't have.

She was also the only one available really. Ash/Kai and all the other surviving Alliance personnel would have been transferred pretty quickly, Wrex returned to Tuchanka, probably even before the attack on the Normandy. Tali went back to the quarian fleet to finish her pilgrimage, Garrus had his plans, and had basically made a promise to Shep, to become a Spectre and/or go back to C-sec depending on how you influenced him. Liara on the other hand would, apart from the mindmelds you mentioned, pretty much been without a plan for what to do. I get the feeling that she was lost after the attack and that getting Sheps body back from SB and later get revenge on SB gave her a purpose that she felt lacking immediately after Sheps death.

Stormy-B, I think that is a very good analysis of the situation. I think your right. Yet I can't say she didn't have much to do. She obviously picked back up her research on the protheans and such as she has tons of Ilos Prothean memorabilia. I think at the end of the day she just was more inclined to go looking for him/her. Like fongiel said, I think the mindmelds could have had something to do with it.

She probably had tons of work to catch up on, as she had been all lazy on the Normandy for who knows how long with Shep But I think of it more like her perspective on her work changed, being thrust from a relatively calm environment straight into a raging warzone and having all kinds of traumatic experiences has a tendency to change people.
But I agree, the melds probably gave her a deeper connection with Shep that others never could claim to have. Add that to the fact that she basically owes Shep her life since Therum and you've got quite a motivated person for a "rescue" operation.

I totally agree with that. Liara had just lost her mother, and now seemingly Sheperd. She was an emotional wreck and couple that with the fact that Sheperd saved her life. I am sure she didn't want to lose Sheperd and felt she owed it to him/her to search high and low.

Precisely, imagine going back to a archeological digsite after that
Besides, I don't remember Redemption very well, didn't Cerberus specifically target her with the information that Sheps body had been recovered by the SB? Or am I hallucinating this right now? (It wouldn't be surprising at all, I've been awake quite some time now)

Modifié par Stormy-B, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:07 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Stormy-B wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Stormy-B wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Interesting post.

I wasn't surprised by Liara attempting to protect Shepard's body from the Collectors. What did surprise me was that she was the only member of Shepard's old crew to do so. Disregarding the love factor (since not all Shepards romanced her), it might be that the multiple mindmelds they shared created a bond between Shepard and Liara that the others didn't have.

She was also the only one available really. Ash/Kai and all the other surviving Alliance personnel would have been transferred pretty quickly, Wrex returned to Tuchanka, probably even before the attack on the Normandy. Tali went back to the quarian fleet to finish her pilgrimage, Garrus had his plans, and had basically made a promise to Shep, to become a Spectre and/or go back to C-sec depending on how you influenced him. Liara on the other hand would, apart from the mindmelds you mentioned, pretty much been without a plan for what to do. I get the feeling that she was lost after the attack and that getting Sheps body back from SB and later get revenge on SB gave her a purpose that she felt lacking immediately after Sheps death.

Stormy-B, I think that is a very good analysis of the situation. I think your right. Yet I can't say she didn't have much to do. She obviously picked back up her research on the protheans and such as she has tons of Ilos Prothean memorabilia. I think at the end of the day she just was more inclined to go looking for him/her. Like fongiel said, I think the mindmelds could have had something to do with it.

She probably had tons of work to catch up on, as she had been all lazy on the Normandy for who knows how long with Shep But I think of it more like her perspective on her work changed, being thrust from a relatively calm environment straight into a raging warzone and having all kinds of traumatic experiences has a tendency to change people.
But I agree, the melds probably gave her a deeper connection with Shep that others never could claim to have. Add that to the fact that she basically owes Shep her life since Therum and you've got quite a motivated person for a "rescue" operation.

I totally agree with that. Liara had just lost her mother, and now seemingly Sheperd. She was an emotional wreck and couple that with the fact that Sheperd saved her life. I am sure she didn't want to lose Sheperd and felt she owed it to him/her to search high and low.

Precisely, imagine going back to a archeological digsite after that
Besides, I don't remember Redemption very well, didn't Cerberus specifically target her with the information that Sheps body had been recovered by the SB? Or am I hallucinating this right now? (It wouldn't be surprising at all, I've been awake quite some time now)

actually I've been meaning to get back to those comics to refresh the memory about things. As I remember now I think you are correct. Cerberus hired Liara to find his body, but Liara was on the trail before that. She met up with Feron at first in her own search for Sheperd. I need to go back and read it again.

[Stormy-B]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

actually I've been meaning to get back to those comics to refresh the memory about things. As I remember now I think you are correct. Cerberus hired Liara to find his body, but Liara was on the trail before that. She met up with Feron at first in her own search for Sheperd. I need to go back and read it again.

Riiight, she went to Omega and then was confronted by Miranda and goons, now I remember... Not that I think that you really can lean on Redemption heavily for plot sensitive stuff

[Crunchyinmilk]

She's actively trying not to be herself.

It seemed to me she felt compelled to transform herself, dramatically, from guilt over Shepard's death (and Feron's capture).

LOTSB Spoiler:

Spoiler

LotSB covers this at a couple of points. In particular right after the Vasir fight, and at the conclusion of LotSB.

After the Visir fight she lets slip a little of her guilt that 'old liara' wasn't worthy of Shepard's mission. After defeating the shadow broker She's suddenly confronted with the spoils of 'new liara', the desire to revert to old Liara, and the possibility she will never be able to if she wants to assist/keep Shepard (and Feron) safe.

She could have taken up Feron's contacts to get a foothold in the business, and while The Illusive Man tells Shepard he believes Liara is not to be trusted, its not beyond the realm of possibility that he lied and is secretly funding/assisting Liara to harass & find a mutual enemy. They did work together finding Shepard's body after all.

There is a definite attempt to show progression & cost for the changes in Liara. I can see why some call Mary Sue on her, but its really more of Liara dramatically rewriting herself and getting mixed results.

Believing it depends on whether you felt she tended to undersell herself and abilities in ME1, or if you just got the impression she was shy. If you saw the former, then the changes in Liara's personality become all the more tragic.

Why was Liara the one to find Shepard's body? Because she's more brand iconic than Ashley and would sell more comics. That this resulted in an interesting plot arc is pure gravy.

I don't think Ash or Kaidan have quite had the chance to tell what's happened to them since Shepard's death so its kind of silly to speculate that Liara was more or less effected by it than them.

[ArcanistLibram]

fourstringwizard wrote...

-And finally, defeats the Shadow Broker and becomes the most powerful information broker in the galaxy. 

I vividly remember Shepard beating the crap out of the Shadow Broker with his bare hands. Liara just answered his phone after he dropped dead.

[Stormy-B]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

fourstringwizard wrote...

-And finally, defeats the Shadow Broker and becomes the most powerful information broker in the galaxy. 

I vividly remember Shepard beating the crap out of the Shadow Broker with his bare hands. Liara just answered his phone after he dropped dead.

I vividly remember her delivering the final killing blow though, as well as joining the fray before the slightly weird "Rocky XIII Galaxy Knockout" cutscenes as well