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[MrFob]

It is a huge issue and one of the biggest problems in the ME universe. I'd never constict that storyline to a DLC. I also wouldn't "solve" the problem one way or another in ME3. The trilogy is about the reapers. The franchise is far from finished after ME3 so let's keep some stuff for future stories. Otherwise it would come off too cheap/easy IMO, which would diminish the scale of the matter.

[izmirtheastarach]

Overlord was so frustrating for me to play, as I just wanted to scream at Dr. Archer. There is no need for anything to defeat the Geth. There is not going to be any war with the Geth in my canon.

As people are saying, if you take the time to talk to Legion, you realize that once you have dealt with the Heretics, there is no reason to go to war with the Geth, as they are not inherently hostile. I look forward to convincing the Quarians to reconcile with them in ME3. The homeworld is ready and waiting for them to return to. The Geth are great caretakers.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:21 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Dave of Canada wrote...

If the Quarians attack the Geth first then I'm wiping out the Quarians.

Legion is my bro. *brofist with Legion*

:?wtf?. yeah let's have the geth attack the citadel again... wiping out everyone else.

they're the victims dude


they have the rights to kill of everyone for their survival, right. agreed. sheperd is wrong for destroying them, in likes of self-defense.

[upsettingshorts]

FuturePast, what did you do on Legion's loyalty mission, out of curiosity?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

nickFury wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yeah my playthrough would be boring. It'd be me, the Admirals, and Legion around a table negotiating a cease-fire, and possibly a demilitarized zone on Rannoch.

what? legion is just one simple robot who may be rejected by his own synthetic race, legion mean absolutely nothing likely... how are they going to come up with a consensus/negotiation with the decision of one stupid robot representing billions of them somehow? what if legion would to be likely targeted by his own peers due to the fact they'd consider him a viral probability? this plothole is stupid, one nice robot of the series has everyone sympathizing for a genocidal robotic race of executioners of mass extinction. What if legion was their new tactic, being a interpersonal infiltrator (letting their guards down for one geth)? i guess someone's right about 95% of simian earth being idiotic. 

Dude did you never talk to Legion
If you actually talk to them, they 1: tell you they are infact a conduit to the main body of the geth to allow forr Shepard to comunicate with them, which as it turns out is why the geth created Legions mobile platform in the first pace.
2:He also tells you that the geth have no desire to destroy the quarians or any other organics that they simply want to be able to persue their own future(potentialy this could come into conflict with galactic society but thats another topic).
3: When on the Flotila If you bring Legion with you and talk to admiral Koris he says that peace would depend upon the creators or sum such like that.

and while it is possible for Legion to be some kind of trap it seems rather unlikly, If the geth really wanted to wipe out the Quarians they could likely do it fairly easily, destroy the live ships and with out a planet they are doomed as a species.

I don't like legions character. i'm not it's character's friend, my sheperd likely hates legion synthetic ass like the rest of it's pointless robotic race.

[izmirtheastarach]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

:?wtf?. yeah let's have the geth attack the citadel again... wiping out everyone else.

they're the victims dude


they have the rights to kill of everyone for their survival, right. agreed. sheperd is wrong for destroying them, in likes of self-defense.

This is getting really silly. Did you actually play ME2? Your argument seems to be that if you are kidnapped and brainwashed, and forced to do terrible things, that it would be your fault.

By the end of my game in ME2, there are no Geth left who have any interest in harming humanity.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FuturePast, what did you do on Legion's loyalty mission, out of curiosity?

i obviously blew up their base killing all of them, right? i'm sure those robots have plenty of them.

[nickFury]

Dave of Canada wrote...

If the Quarians attack the Geth first then I'm wiping out the Quarians.

Legion is my bro. *brofist with Legion*

While I personaly favor peace and definately think it will be an option in ME3 or whatever dlc they throw out, if it comes to a fight im with the Quarians. When it comes down to it the geth are still machines they are not even sapient unless they are in significant concentraitions and I cannot hold their existence as greater value than the quarians that made them. Heck the geth are effectively imortal any way when you destroy a platform the runtimes simply get downloaded to a primary hub you could possibly remove the threat of the geth without anihilating them as a race.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

:?wtf?. yeah let's have the geth attack the citadel again... wiping out everyone else.

they're the victims dude


they have the rights to kill of everyone for their survival, right. agreed. sheperd is wrong for destroying them, in likes of self-defense.

This is getting really silly. Did you actually play ME2? Your argument seems to be that if you are kidnapped and brainwashed, and forced to do terrible things, that it would be your fault.

By the end of my game in ME2, there are no Geth left who have any interest in harming humanity.

mass effect is obviously the original game in the series, where as mass effect 2 is just a mere plothole of the franchise's overall story... what do you think?:happy:

[upsettingshorts]

So then you are completely aware of the schism between the Heretic Geth - the ones in the Youtube videos you link and the ones you blow up - and the Orthodox Geth, represented by Legion, who are still hanging out beyond the Veil doing... nothing.



/question was a trap

[izmirtheastarach]

I get it. He's not actually making an argument. Just being argumentative.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

nickFury wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

If the Quarians attack the Geth first then I'm wiping out the Quarians.

Legion is my bro. *brofist with Legion*

While I personaly favor peace and definately think it will be an option in ME3 or whatever dlc they throw out, if it comes to a fight im with the Quarians. When it comes down to it the geth are still machines they are not even sapient unless they are in significant concentraitions and I cannot hold their existence as greater value than the quarians that made them. Heck the geth are effectively imortal any way when you destroy a platform the runtimes simply get downloaded to a primary hub you could possibly remove the threat of the geth without anihilating them as a race.

i wouldn't be surprised if people started sympathizing for Harbinger... "we are your salvation through your destruction bull****", the reaper.

next, "the reapers are the victims here, they mean no harm... we're the evil ones in the game guys for trying to stop them from causing the galactic apocalypse.", stupid sympathizers.

[Dave of Canada]

I'm pretty sure Future didn't play ME2 with the volume / subtitles on.

[nickFury]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

nickFury wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yeah my playthrough would be boring. It'd be me, the Admirals, and Legion around a table negotiating a cease-fire, and possibly a demilitarized zone on Rannoch.

what? legion is just one simple robot who may be rejected by his own synthetic race, legion mean absolutely nothing likely... how are they going to come up with a consensus/negotiation with the decision of one stupid robot representing billions of them somehow? what if legion would to be likely targeted by his own peers due to the fact they'd consider him a viral probability? this plothole is stupid, one nice robot of the series has everyone sympathizing for a genocidal robotic race of executioners of mass extinction. What if legion was their new tactic, being a interpersonal infiltrator (letting their guards down for one geth)? i guess someone's right about 95% of simian earth being idiotic. 

Dude did you never talk to Legion
If you actually talk to them, they 1: tell you they are infact a conduit to the main body of the geth to allow forr Shepard to comunicate with them, which as it turns out is why the geth created Legions mobile platform in the first pace.
2:He also tells you that the geth have no desire to destroy the quarians or any other organics that they simply want to be able to persue their own future(potentialy this could come into conflict with galactic society but thats another topic).
3: When on the Flotila If you bring Legion with you and talk to admiral Koris he says that peace would depend upon the creators or sum such like that.

and while it is possible for Legion to be some kind of trap it seems rather unlikly, If the geth really wanted to wipe out the Quarians they could likely do it fairly easily, destroy the live ships and with out a planet they are doomed as a species.

I don't like legions character. i'm not it's character's friend, my sheperd likely hates legion synthetic ass like the rest of it's pointless robotic race.

lol excuse ignorance however you like, you could atleast watch it on youtube or read the wikki so youhave the data

[ObserverStatus]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

If the Quarians attack the Geth first then I'm wiping out the Quarians.

Legion is my bro. *brofist with Legion*

:?wtf?. yeah let's have the geth attack the citadel again... wiping out everyone else.

they're the victims dude


they have the rights to kill of everyone for their survival, right. agreed. sheperd is wrong for destroying them, in likes of self-defense.

That's not really fair, judging all geth by the heretics would be like judging all human's by scientologists, we'd be doomed for sure than.

[nickFury]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

:?wtf?. yeah let's have the geth attack the citadel again... wiping out everyone else.

they're the victims dude


they have the rights to kill of everyone for their survival, right. agreed. sheperd is wrong for destroying them, in likes of self-defense.

This is getting really silly. Did you actually play ME2? Your argument seems to be that if you are kidnapped and brainwashed, and forced to do terrible things, that it would be your fault.

By the end of my game in ME2, there are no Geth left who have any interest in harming humanity.

they wernt kidnapped and brainwashed they chose to leave the true geth.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I get it. He's not actually making an argument. Just being argumentative.

exactly, because this post was about a Rannoch DLC idea, where as someone said it'd be  lame because they actually sympathize for the geth being victims, where as i made the greatest O-face ever going WTF? thus getting argumentative over such stupidity.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[izmirtheastarach]

nickFury wrote...

they wernt kidnapped and brainwashed they chose to leave the true geth.

Chose to leae, yes. But were then instructed by a being posing as their god to do various nefarious things.

[upsettingshorts]

I don't want either side to fight the other. I want a cease-fire. Maybe a demilitarized zone on Rannoch that would allow Quarians to start to live there again, or at least to spend some time on a world where they could open up their suits again.



The first steps toward peace are going to be tough but they're worth shooting for.



Geth v. Quarian war just strikes me as a really quick way of getting a lot of Quarians killed.

[nickFury]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

nickFury wrote...

they wernt kidnapped and brainwashed they chose to leave the true geth.

Chose to leae, yes. But were then instructed by a being posing as their god to do various nefarious things.

yes which they did willingly and of their own free will no indoctrination involved.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

nickFury wrote...

they wernt kidnapped and brainwashed they chose to leave the true geth.

Chose to leae, yes. But were then instructed by a being posing as their god to do various nefarious things.

doesn't mean ****. before this controller character, they not only bothered the quarians, yet were still a problem for everyone else in the galaxy, according to mass effect 1(that's why they/system's alliance didn't help the quarians establish a new homeworld, because the quarians are the ones who made a problem for everyone else creating the geth that originally didn't worship anything, yet still likely did the same **** regardless).

[izmirtheastarach]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

exactly, because this post was about a Rannoch DLC idea, where as someone said it'd be  lame because they actually sympathize for the geth being victims, where as i made the greatest O-face ever going WTF? thus getting argumentative over such stupidity.

You do get that Mass Effect as an RPG, right? This argument should really have pointed out to you that there can't be DLC that would require you to do something that half the audience has already decided not to do.

[nickFury]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't want either side to fight the other. I want a cease-fire. Maybe a demilitarized zone on Rannoch that would allow Quarians to start to live there again, or at least to spend some time on a world where they could open up their suits again.

The first steps toward peace are going to be tough but they're worth shooting for.

Geth v. Quarian war just strikes me as a really quick way of getting a lot of Quarians killed.

this ^^, also a fleet of 50k plus ships could really come in handy not to mention the kick ass stuff the geth must have lying around.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't want either side to fight the other. I want a cease-fire. Maybe a demilitarized zone on Rannoch that would allow Quarians to start to live there again, or at least to spend some time on a world where they could open up their suits again.

The first steps toward peace are going to be tough but they're worth shooting for.

Geth v. Quarian war just strikes me as a really quick way of getting a lot of Quarians killed.

 then what's the point of playing mass effect 1 which is the reason why mass effect 2 exist? "i don't want no one hating each other, because we must like the cupcakes and rainbows, and puppies and galactic peace", you.

[izmirtheastarach]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

doesn't mean ****. before this controller character, they not only bothered the quarians, yet were still a problem for everyone else in the galaxy, according to mass effect 1(that's why they/system's alliance didn't help the quarians establish a new homeworld, because the quarians are the ones who made a problem for everyone else creating the geth that originally didn't worship anything, yet still likely did the same **** regardless).

The Geth have never attacked anyone in the three centuries since they defeated the Quarians. They are only considered a threat because people didn't understand their motivations.

And Mass Effect 1 was about finding out that the Geth were being controlled by something much greater. That both they and Saren were pawns for the Reapers.