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[FuturePasTimeCE]

The Big Nothing wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Legion isn't defective. He connects to the greater Geth collective on several occasions. He is in effect, their ambassador, their representative.

"They're all the same." - A dangerous sentence to be throwing around when you're talking about war.

haven't you not noticed the entire mass effect series is based upon a war with the geth and all? again, what is the point of mass effect. it's not like these machines are people like humans and aliens, they're defective crap who happen to destroy everything to then later come up with some bull**** excuse as to why they do it... calling themselves victims, or that they're fighting for their survival by targeting everyone else in the universe who had nothing to do with their existence period... those machines have the right of starting a galactic war with everyone, and if everyone else in the galaxy who treat this war as a actual war are evil and wrong for opposing the "victimized" geth.

If you were over 10 years old, you would know that everything that is done has some sort of justification, reasonable or not. 
Wait until you get a girlfriend and she dumps you, and then you try to justify hiding outside her window with "love."

now you're making even less sense. this has nothing to do with anything, it's highly irrelevant. doesn't fit into the context of what everyone in this post is talking about. there's justification of why everyone in the galaxy hate geth robots, where as people in this post having the justification of stupidly feeling sorry for them.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Bail out folks. Here there be dragons.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

The Big Nothing wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm pretty sure Future didn't play ME2 with the volume / subtitles on.

mass effect 2 is just pure entertainment.

that's like the matrix reloaded, made absolutely no sense compared to the original matrix. that's like in star wars 2, darth vader is actually the good guy type of crap.

Whoa, whoa - do not insult The Empire Strikes Back.

i mean seriously. like in the shadow broker DLC, some thomas anderson guy drinks due to crap like this... "Saren, a Hero Betrayed", "geths are the true saviors of the universe", "Harbinger is our salvation", "people who try and stabilize rogue a.i. are evil".

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If the Geth want to destroy the universe they're taking their sweet time behind the Veil.

 what the hell is the veil, why were they on eden prime attacking all of the human colonists, and why did they attacked the citadel? why are they all over the place around the galaxy then?

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:01 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

that's like the matrix reloaded, made absolutely no sense compared to the original matrix. that's like in star wars 2, darth vader is actually the good guy type of crap.

If that is how you feel, then why are you here? Generally the people who are willing to debate in-game morality on forums are people who are fairly invested in the games. I would say the majority of us feel the ME2 had a deep and engaging story.

Why don't you go play some Halo 3 or something?

because halo 3 is about fighting aliens, i like the idea of fighting robots/etc like in mass effect (variety of foes).

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Are you drinking the Council's Kool-Aid, man? The events of Mass Effect 1 were about Sovereign and Saren. Geth were just convenient cannon fodder.

Anyway, this conversation is beyond pointless.

right. And what or who in the game did your sheperd character mainly fought, was it the majority of geth or was it always encountering soveriegn and saren alone each and every time you got into in-game conflict?

[Mox Ruuga]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

I too am a geth sympathizer. Created as slaves, and fought for their right to survive.

Besides, I'm not attracted to obvious quarian fapbait

Agreed and agreed.

Let the fetish object and her pathetic chicken legged species twist in the wind, for all I care.

[Mecha Tengu]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

Anyways, quarian based threads seem to always go down in a sea of sperm retention and nerd rage.

Woo banished those nerds into the abyss, the quarian threads are no more, I was there when it happened.

Seems as if the entire forum has gone anti - quarian now though lol

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 13 septembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[Mr. Man]

I'm pro-Quarian and Proud!

[Dave of Canada]

Mecha Tengu wrote...


Woo banished those nerds into the abyss, the quarian threads are no more, I was there when it happened.

Mods have given them back the right to make Tali threads around an hour or two ago.

[Mecha Tengu]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...


Woo banished those nerds into the abyss, the quarian threads are no more, I was there when it happened.

Mods have given them back the right to make Tali threads around an hour or two ago.

LMFAO WHAT SRSLY

edit: crap ur right

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:27 .

[Mecha Tengu]

lol that's pathetic, they need their own special moderator dedicated to policing that thread. Any posts that are harmful to Tali are edited and removed hahaha

[Inverness Moon]

[ArcanistLibram]

This belongs in ME3, not DLC. There are just too many variables to account for.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I guess this problem assosiated with the  Isreali/Palastine war is pretty accurate judging by how the game treats it ... and onto these boards with  Pro-Quarian/Pro Geth support ( even though the Geth would shoot you on sigth regardless of what you thought or said...strange...) 

I guess its no coincidense either that Tali could be mistaken for a middle easterner or maybe Eastern Europe? I rather see her as a Gypsy than anything else with the nomad like fleet and no home to call their own.

I don't think they should get into it --- why?  Their all powerful enough...let the two fight it out and see who wins at the end of the day..otherwise your dragged into moralistic consequences, in-fighting, and probbaly years of political dead-lock.

[Inverness Moon]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I guess this problem assosiated with the  Isreali/Palastine war is pretty accurate judging by how the game treats it ... and onto these boards with  Pro-Quarian/Pro Geth support ( even though the Geth would shoot you on sigth regardless of what you thought or said...strange...) 

I guess its no coincidense either that Tali could be mistaken for a middle easterner or maybe Eastern Europe? I rather see her as a Gypsy than anything else with the nomad like fleet and no home to call their own.

I don't think they should get into it --- why?  Their all powerful enough...let the two fight it out and see who wins at the end of the day..otherwise your dragged into moralistic consequences, in-fighting, and probbaly years of political dead-lock.

Firstly, it's not a good idea to inject politics into this debate, you're just going to heat it up in a bad way.

Secondly, only heretics shoot organics on sight, the true geth have no interest in conflict.

Finally, there is too much at stake, with the reapers on the way to the galaxy, to not do something somehow to either prevent the conflict or make it as short as possible. For me, that means is conflict is inevitable, I will side with the geth and move quickly to remove the quarian threat, while making sure the quarians that don't want to fight are taken care of.

[Mecha Tengu]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Secondly, only heretics shoot organics on sight, the true geth have no interest in conflict.

That doesn't mean they don't shoot people on sight.

we have never met true geth other than legion, you can't assume that

[Water Dumple]

Inverness Moon wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I guess this problem assosiated with the  Isreali/Palastine war is pretty accurate judging by how the game treats it ... and onto these boards with  Pro-Quarian/Pro Geth support ( even though the Geth would shoot you on sigth regardless of what you thought or said...strange...) 

I guess its no coincidense either that Tali could be mistaken for a middle easterner or maybe Eastern Europe? I rather see her as a Gypsy than anything else with the nomad like fleet and no home to call their own.

I don't think they should get into it --- why?  Their all powerful enough...let the two fight it out and see who wins at the end of the day..otherwise your dragged into moralistic consequences, in-fighting, and probbaly years of political dead-lock.

Firstly, it's not a good idea to inject politics into this debate, you're just going to heat it up in a bad way.

Actually, the Quarians do seem to be based on the Jews in general. Parts of their suit designs resemble that style of clothing, their text looks extremely similar to Hebrew, and their backstory parallels the Jewish exile. (I think Tali is a partly Jewish name, though not sure about that.) Seems like far too much to be mere coincidence, in my opinion; whether that backstory reference will end similarly in ME3 remains to be seen. I'm not sure the Geth are intended to represent another historical group in particular, just the source of the Quarians' exile. In that regard, it wasn't exactly a political comment, just noting the similarities.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

[quote]Inverness Moon wrote...

[smilie]http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5881/legionhatersgonnahate.jpg[/smilie]:lol::lol::lol: dude this is so funny that it hurts so much.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

This belongs in ME3, not DLC. There are just too many variables to account for.

well i thought the shadow broker's story stuff was suitable for mass effect 3, and it was a mass effect 2 DLC.

[Kavadas]

Bruddajakka wrote...

That was a subfaction of the Geth that has since been dealt with. Or has did someone miss the entire point of Legions loyalty mission?

No, it wasn't a subfaction.  The Geth who butchered billions of Quarians were just the Geth then since it was their first action after becoming sentient; the Heretics hadn't broken off yet.  This was 300 years ago, rememeber.

Anyways, let's have some fun with math, shall we?  Let's see some stats of the awesome good guy Geth!

Quarian population of Rannoch pre-Geth War:  Billions
Quarian population of Migrant Fleet: 17,000,000

"Billions" is vague so we'll go as conservatively as is possible: 2,000,000,000 Quarians on Rannoch pre-Geth War.

The 17 million number holds up because the fleet enforces a "zero population growth" policy which means that 17 million is basically the exact amount of survivors from the massacre 300 years ago.

Current day Quarian population as a percentage of 2 billion: 0.0085, or 0.85%.

Meaning that in the Geth War the Geth massacred 99.15% of the Quarian species using the most conserative numbers available.

Just for some more perspective here are some more realistic numbers for this situation based off of percentages from the 2009 U.S. Census and applied to the pre-Geth War Quarian population numbers.

Again, using 2 billion as the most conservative estimate:

• U.S. Census - Children under the age of 5: 6.9%
• Applied to the Quarrian population of Rannoch:  138,000,000
• Using the 0.0085, or 0.85%, (17 million divided by 2 billion) the number of survivors of this age demographic: 1,173,000
• Total killed by the Geth: 136,827,000

• U.S. Census - Children under the age of 18: 24.3%
• Applied to the Quarrian population of Rannoch: 486,000,000
• Using the 0.0085, or 0.85%, (17 million divided by 2 billion) the number of survivors of this age demographic: 4,131,000
• Total killed by the Geth: 481,869,000

Yeah, that's right, the Geth murdered 136,827,000 babies and toddlers.

So
what, the Geth just woke up fearing for the lives (which, as Legion
explicitly states, isn't possible because the Geth don't have emotions)
and murdered over one hundred and thirty million children?

Hey, maybe it was just an accident though, right?  That'll excuse their behavior!

Modifié par Kavadas, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[BloodRaith]

Everything is a freaking conspiracy on these forums... Why do so many of you refuse to take things at face value? I'm not saying either side is wrong, but when your argument on why you think you're right is based on something that might happen (however unlikely), then you should admit its just an opinion and not on actual facts.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Kavadas wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

That was a subfaction of the Geth that has since been dealt with. Or has did someone miss the entire point of Legions loyalty mission?

No, it wasn't a subfaction.  The Geth who butchered billions of Quarians were just the Geth then since it was their first action after becoming sentient; the Heretics hadn't broken off yet.  This was 300 years ago, rememeber.

Anyways, let's have some fun with math, shall we?  Let's see some stats of the awesome good guy Geth!

Quarian population of Rannoch pre-Geth War:  Billions
Quarian population of Migrant Fleet: 17,000,000

"Billions" is vague so we'll go as conservatively as is possible: 2,000,000,000 Quarians on Rannoch pre-Geth War.

The 17 million number holds up because the fleet enforces a "zero population growth" policy which means that 17 million is basically the exact amount of survivors from the massacre 300 years ago.

Current day Quarian population as a percentage of 2 billion: 0.0085, or 0.85%.

Meaning that in the Geth War the Geth massacred 99.15% of the Quarian species using the most conserative numbers available.

Just for some more perspective here are some more realistic numbers for this situation based off of percentages from the 2009 U.S. Census and applied to the pre-Geth War Quarian population numbers.

Again, using 2 billion as the most conservative estimate:

• U.S. Census - Children under the age of 5: 6.9%
• Applied to the Quarrian population of Rannoch:  138,000,000
• Using the 0.0085, or 0.85%, (17 million divided by 2 billion) the number of survivors of this age demographic: 1,173,000
• Total killed by the Geth: 136,827,000

• U.S. Census - Children under the age of 18: 24.3%
• Applied to the Quarrian population of Rannoch: 486,000,000
• Using the 0.0085, or 0.85%, (17 million divided by 2 billion) the number of survivors of this age demographic: 4,131,000
• Total killed by the Geth: 481,869,000

Yeah, that's right, the Geth murdered 136,827,000 babies and toddlers.

So
what, the Geth just woke up fearing for the lives (which, as Legion
explicitly states, isn't possible because the Geth don't have emotions)
and murdered over one hundred and thirty million children?

Hey, maybe it was just an accident though, right?  That'll excuse their behavior!

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[*]The Quarians attacked the Geth not the other way around, No matter how much you bend the story of Mass Effect it can never constitute murder when you're defending yourself from a attack.