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[Deathispink]

I have to go in with the "Reformation" angle. Though to do that I'm assuming that just a little bloodshed will be in order. And fire. Fire fixes everything.

[AlexXIV]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Isn't the chantry and their templars the only thing stopping the blood mages from tearing the veil and letting demons rule thedas?

Side with chantry or let the world fall into chaos HMMMMMMM...?

Again, the Tevinter Empire was percieved as evil because they used magic in the way that endagers all and only empowers them. It's like using fire, one can use it to bring warmth, cook, and do many things but it has the potential to be used for burning, killing ,etc.

Andraste came in and halted the Tevinter Empire and created the religion which was based off on "Magic is meant to serve man, not rule over him". But after Andraste died, her followers being afraid of another Tevinter Imperium used this fear and paranoia as a justification to persecute and imprison all magic wielders.

If anything the Chantry only encourages the use of blood magic, for the imprisoned mages cannot chosoe their own path and after a time of restriction and dictatorship they will rebel and they will do so in whatever means possible for their independence.

Blood mages won't stop because they aren't impisoned,
If a single bloodmage becomes an abomination terrible things happen, and without the chantry no one can stop them short of an army.
Chantry ain't perfect, but imprsonment out of paranoia is better than blood mage genocide

You dont need to be a blood mage to become an abomination, and not all blood mages are abominations, its just another kind of magic, yes it was originally created by the spirits of the fade, but that does not necessarily make it evil, any more then every spirit in the fade is evil.  The stigma against blood magic comes from the fact that the ruling class Tevinter mages used blood magic, and they where tyranical leaders.

While abominations are a real threat, the game has also shown us that abominations do not need to be mages, mages are just easier to possess for demons because of their closeness to the fade realm.  If anything the chantry forces the death of mages needlessly and causes more abominations then necessary.  They force mages into a confrontation in the fade that could happen before they are ready,  and those mages outside of the circle become more likely to be taken over by a demon, because they may not recieve the proper training to resist the attempts at possession when thier choices are live as a slave in the tower or learn everything on your own.

My opinion still stands,
1000 improsined mages>  abomination murderining 10,000
connor destroys all of redcliffe if the warden dosen't intervene
Uldred slays hundreds in the tower and turns the majiorty of them into monsters...
If we let mages turn to blood willy nilly with no enforcment, they will. It's incredible power and has been shown time and time again too hard to resist, If 1/10 blood mages become an abomonation and there are 100 blood mages that means 10 abomonations, and if these 10 abomintions live up to the scale of uldred or connor the world falls into chaos and the strongest kingdoms will fall in weeks.
Chantry>Demon Anarchy

Mages need to be prepared for Conforantations with the fade ASAP connor was what 7?
Every time you fall asleep you enter the fade, and everytime you enter the fade a demon is lurking for a way out.

Sry but your opinion sucks.

First off Connor isn't a blood mage. Any mage can be possessed by demons, not just blood mages.

Also mages could control themselves, they don't need the Chantry or Templars. Yes, we have seen the Circle Tower and we have seen how the Templars failed to do their job. Also I think it is made clear that some mages only joined Uldred because of the repressive ways of the Chantry.

If people start thinking the only way to deal with people who are different is to lock them in a tower then it is really sad. It is still a difference to me if people are actually criminals or are merely born with some sort of talent that not everyone possesses, even if it is potentially dangerous.

[Homebound]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Fight

[Monica83]

Fight chantry!!!!

[Orbweaver]

I'm going to go both routes on different playthroughs, and see where the content takes me next.



That's the nice thing about Bioware's games- you always have an opportunity to take a different path. One choice doesn't necessarily lock you into making the same choice further down the road.

[Malice_Unarmed]

Burn the chantry down!

[Lotion Soronarr]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Depends, I would have no hesitation picking fights with Templars. They are too inquisitorial. The Chantry just needs to be purged of fanaticism and reformed. They do serve a greater good. So completely wiping them off the face of Thedas would serve little purpose.

Mission impossible.
Any organization that has thousands and thousands of emembers is impossible to fully control. And men will be men. Even if you could purge it, in a few years it would be back to the old.

Also, Chantry FTW. You heretics will all die in cleansing fire!

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 13 septembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[Viva la France]

VIVE LA REVOLUTION

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nyaore wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Isn't the chantry and their templars the only thing stopping the blood mages from tearing the veil and letting demons rule thedas?

Side with chantry or let the world fall into chaos HMMMMMMM...?

What about the blood mages in Tevinter?

You mean the ones who openly traffic in slaves, kills them in rituals and basicly rule the land as dictators?

Like it or not, the Templars and Chantry have their place and are needed. DAO is NOT our world. Chantry is NOT our Church. Mages are NOT harmless poor sods persecuted for nothing.
Think. Use the thing inside your head people.
The world of DAO is brutal. Mages NEED strict guidance - weatehr they want it or not is irrelevant. After all, do people wiht dangerous mental conditions want to be put in asylums? No, they don't. Let's scream opression hehre!

[Monica83]

Roast of maker! *burns evrything*

[Saibh]

Viva la France wrote...

VIVE LA REVOLUTION

You're still missing the accent aigu.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Anathemic wrote...
Blood Mage into Abomination is the same thing as Muslim into Muslim fanatic (the ones who uses their religion to commit genocide and whatnot). Magic is not something that someone learns, you are born with it.

Basically it's like getting persecuted because of a slight defect and immediatly imprisoned for the rest of your life because your are 'different' and/or 'dangerous'.

And imprisonment out of paranoia isn't the best way to go, I think we learned that when the Catholic Church began persecuting and killing off many scientists whose theories disagreed with their religion

Not comparable. First and foremost, muslims dont get tempted by demons on a regular basis and can't get possesed. Secondly, an abomination is far more dangerous than a terrorist.

You're comparing mode of behavior/upbringing with demonic possesion.

Also, the perecutions Church did are vastly overblown.

[Riona45]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Also, the perecutions Church did are vastly overblown.

Can we not debate about this here please?

[Ahzrei]

The Chantry is oppressive. They rule with an army, they listen to no one but themselves, and they've got the very best defense for the atrocities they commit: God has abandoned us.

They also rule over their army with addiction. There is no excuse for this, and they must pay for it.

Modifié par Ahzrei, 13 septembre 2010 - 06:14 .

[Orbweaver]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
Blood Mage into Abomination is the same thing as Muslim into Muslim fanatic (the ones who uses their religion to commit genocide and whatnot). Magic is not something that someone learns, you are born with it.

Basically it's like getting persecuted because of a slight defect and immediatly imprisoned for the rest of your life because your are 'different' and/or 'dangerous'.

And imprisonment out of paranoia isn't the best way to go, I think we learned that when the Catholic Church began persecuting and killing off many scientists whose theories disagreed with their religion

Not comparable. First and foremost, muslims dont get tempted by demons on a regular basis and can't get possesed. Secondly, an abomination is far more dangerous than a terrorist.

You're comparing mode of behavior/upbringing with demonic possesion.

Also, the perecutions Church did are vastly overblown.

I'm not sure Bioware could include an 'egregious' Chantry persecution without a bunch of people taking the game out of context, applying Chantry lore to their own version of real life religion, and then accusing the company of religious persecution.

That said, I do think the Chantry has made some huge errors in the past, particularly when dealing with the Dalish elves.

[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...
Sry but your opinion sucks.

First off Connor isn't a blood mage. Any mage can be possessed by demons, not just blood mages.

Also mages could control themselves, they don't need the Chantry or Templars. Yes, we have seen the Circle Tower and we have seen how the Templars failed to do their job. Also I think it is made clear that some mages only joined Uldred because of the repressive ways of the Chantry.

If people start thinking the only way to deal with people who are different is to lock them in a tower then it is really sad. It is still a difference to me if people are actually criminals or are merely born with some sort of talent that not everyone possesses, even if it is potentially dangerous.

No, his oppinions are correct.

The templars are the circle tower didn't fail. They contained the abominations in the tower and there was a whoel army of templars incoming to clean the place. No abominations escaping the tower is the goal.
Also, no matter what politics you choose there will be peopel who wil lresent that. Mages resent that they live in a golden cage? Not surprising. You honestly belive things would be better wihout the towers?

Again, you're applying real world paraels to Thedas. IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. Especially when the paralels don't fit.  Mages are not like any human you know. They are exceptionally dangerous. If tehy were real, you'd be singing a different tune.

[tmp7704]

Ahzrei wrote...

They also rule over their army with addiction. There is no excuse for this, and they must pay for it.

Wouldn't the part where that army is made of volunteers who know exactly what they're getting into long before they take actual vows be pretty good excuse here?

[Fishy]

tmp7704 wrote...

Ahzrei wrote...

They also rule over their army with addiction. There is no excuse for this, and they must pay for it.

Wouldn't the part where that army is made of volunteers who know exactly what they're getting into long before they take actual vows be pretty good excuse here?

Just like soldier used and still use drugs.
Go figure

Seriously it's like being with a bunch of friend who' pretend to be  atheist and when you tell em you believe in god , they're ready to smack you with a baseball bat(with the drool and the hater face).I don't  see any difference with the chantry

lol


I feel persecuted already

Modifié par Suprez30, 13 septembre 2010 - 06:40 .

[elfdwarf]

fight for elves ,mages ,and dwarfs.

[Lotion Soronarr]

simfamSP wrote...

Your right, but look at Anders for an example. They lock 100 good mages, for just 1 assh*le. I think the best solution is to carry out a other test, proving their loyalty and purity, and if the templars see that this mage is not evil in anyway, they should let him go. BUT only on the condition that his phylactery is to stay with them. And only around a certain area. But if they should join the Army, then they are under supervision so they are aloud to travel anywhere.

For what I understand, mages that pass the harrowing have some limited freedom to leave the tower.

[Behindyounow]

Destroy them. Thats what they get for imprisoning their natural masters.



I'll spare the Imperial chantry though. They have the right ideas.

[Daerog]

I enjoy playing a mage, and so far, I plan to have all my canon playthroughs be mages.

Saying that, my characters have supported the Chantry. Mages live far better lives than most people, even if they are caged/monitored. The templars are not very threatening at all, as long as you are not a blood mage and remain polite, they are nothing more than decoration in the Circles and chantries. One could use their armor for mirrors to fix your hair and most will just remain there silent.

People will be people, religious organization or not. At least the Chantry has done more good than ill and overall supports the safety and well being of society.

[EternalBlade]

i find my self more at war with the chantry than helpin them.