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[Herr Uhl]

tool_bot wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

lobi wrote...

dont forget the Rivan mages who wise women become abominations on poipose kinda like flemith or wynne

They communicate with spirits, there is nothing about them becoming abominations. That it would be required in some kind of way seems reasonable, but there has been little to suggest that you couldn't do it without becoming an abomination.

Actually the entry specifically states they allow themselves to become possessed.

It does? Okay. I should re-read it then.

On a sidenote, am I the only one that finds it odd that a nation that left the chantry after being influenced by the Qun would be the most liberal nation in Thedas with mages? (at least seemingly, no circles or cutting of tongues)

[Daerog]

Sir JK wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Not really. The whole point is that templars aren't needed which all those cases more or less 'prove'

But you don't know why. If the Dalish kill all their mages beyond the keeper and the first then no, they don't need any. The cult of Andraste might actually go through cycles of training mages and on rare occassions one of them falls and they violently have to put it down, it cannot be confirmed or denied. Also, remember that the Tevinter templars are not lyrium enhanced (but still templars).

If you're arguing that the Templars specifically aren't technically needed, then yes. You're completely correct. But that does not mean the alternatives are better for the mages, mind. I for one think the qunari way sounds a lot worse, but it is an alternative yes.

The Tevinter templars don't use lyrium? The Tevinter Imperium still gets lyrium, where does it say that their templars don't use it?

[lobi]

Tevinter uses the pure early magic forms that draw power from life energy (they look all like healthy bugers) so pehaps templars from tevinter same? dont forget to make a tranquil is blood magic.

[tool_bot]

Sir JK wrote...

If you're arguing that the Templars specifically aren't technically needed, then yes. You're completely correct. But that does not mean the alternatives are better for the mages, mind. I for one think the qunari way sounds a lot worse, but it is an alternative yes.

Oh I agree. Completely. 

My only goal with making that point is to remind people whatever system you might have in place doesn't deserve your support just for being the system you have in place. 

[Herr Uhl]

lobi wrote...

Tevinter uses the pure early magic forms that draw power from life energy (they look all like healthy bugers) so pehaps templars from tevinter same? dont forget to make a tranquil is blood magic.

It is? Where did you hear that?

[tool_bot]

Herr Uhl wrote...
It does? Okay. I should re-read it then.

On a sidenote, am I the only one that finds it odd that a nation that left the chantry after being influenced by the Qun would be the most liberal nation in Thedas with mages? (at least seemingly, no circles or cutting of tongues)

You are not. And in case you're interested here's a piece of the codex

"The Rivaini refuse to be parted from their seers, wise women who are in fact hedge mages, communicating with spirits and actually allowing themselves to become possessed. The Chantry prohibition against such magical practices violates millennia of local tradition."

[lobi]

could be argued that lyrium changes the propertys of blood drawing manipulating life energy and extraxting without weakening the blood enough to kill. this reduction in lifeforce can weaken that which gives us thoughts and emotions hence lyrium junkies.

[Herr Uhl]

tool_bot wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
It does? Okay. I should re-read it then.

On a sidenote, am I the only one that finds it odd that a nation that left the chantry after being influenced by the Qun would be the most liberal nation in Thedas with mages? (at least seemingly, no circles or cutting of tongues)

You are not. And in case you're interested here's a piece of the codex

"The Rivaini refuse to be parted from their seers, wise women who are in fact hedge mages, communicating with spirits and actually allowing themselves to become possessed. The Chantry prohibition against such magical practices violates millennia of local tradition."

Yup, but I wonder if there is some kind of infrastructure amongst the mages. They ought to teach the young to control their powers at the very least. They could be more strict or as strict as any circle.

[lobi]

Herr Uhl wrote...

lobi wrote...

Tevinter uses the pure early magic forms that draw power from life energy (they look all like healthy bugers) so pehaps templars from tevinter same? dont forget to make a tranquil is blood magic.

It is? Where did you hear that?

All in game tevinter mages i have seen have been blood mages

[Daerog]

lobi wrote...

Tevinter uses the pure early magic forms that draw power from life energy (they look all like healthy bugers) so pehaps templars from tevinter same? dont forget to make a tranquil is blood magic.

I'm just curious where this information is gathered. The magisters used lyrium a lot, why would they stop using it? Tranquil isn't blood magic, it uses lyrium, not lifeforce. I need to talk to Owain again or something. And I'm starting to doubt your statement of tevinter templars not using lyrium.

[Daerog]

lobi wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

lobi wrote...

Tevinter uses the pure early magic forms that draw power from life energy (they look all like healthy bugers) so pehaps templars from tevinter same? dont forget to make a tranquil is blood magic.

It is? Where did you hear that?

All in game tevinter mages i have seen have been blood mages

So, those two healers used blood magic? I didn't see them use blood magic. The only tevinter I remember using blood magic was the boss slaver.

[lobi]

Just an impression from interactions with owain

[lobi]

I thought they possesed the elves and when spell ran out they exploded

[Herr Uhl]

lobi wrote...

I thought they possesed the elves and when spell ran out they exploded

What? You mean when going for the golden city? Yes, they used elves too, either since they couldn't get enough lyrium or because it was more cost efficient. That was my impression.

Why would they explode?

Edit: Nevermind.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 30 septembre 2010 - 01:01 .

[Daerog]

lobi wrote...

I thought they possesed the elves and when spell ran out they exploded

The only elves that I've seen explode in game were ones that had the Walking Bomb on them. No, those "healers" did not use blood magic or possess anyone. Not that I could see, I didn't see any blood magic fly from them to the elves, one could just assume that those elves fought you of their own will because they wanted to be healed and believed the tevinters over you.

[ProfessionalPirate]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

lobi wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

lobi wrote...

Tevinter uses the pure early magic forms that draw power from life energy (they look all like healthy bugers) so pehaps templars from tevinter same? dont forget to make a tranquil is blood magic.

It is? Where did you hear that?

All in game tevinter mages i have seen have been blood mages

So, those two healers used blood magic? I didn't see them use blood magic. The only tevinter I remember using blood magic was the boss slaver.

i have seen them each enthrall an elven bystander i think... unless those elves are actually stupid enough to fight armed and armored opponents with their bare fists.

maby it explains why the elves were enslaved in the first place    


edit: rrrr ninja'd

Modifié par ProfessionalPirate, 30 septembre 2010 - 01:01 .

[lobi]

it looked like a varient on the living bomb spell but also a control spell to make them attack warden, tevinter spells could be a variation on circle/wardens spell book but related to blood magic because of possession.

[Sir JK]

DaerogTheDhampir said...
The Tevinter templars don't use lyrium? The Tevinter Imperium still gets lyrium, where does it say that their templars don't use it?

Link for you

Tool_bot said...
Oh I agree. Completely.

My only goal with making that point is
to remind people whatever system you might have in place doesn't
deserve your support just for being the system you have in place.

Ah, then I understand. But then replacing the system you have, however flawed, without having a viable alternative is not exactly the best of ideas.

Modifié par Sir JK, 30 septembre 2010 - 07:22 .

[lobi]

when blood magic is used the only blood effect is seen on PlayerChar no one else sees it which is why cannot tell blood mage by sight

[Daerog]

Sir JK wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir said...
The Tevinter templars don't use lyrium? The Tevinter Imperium still gets lyrium, where does it say that their templars don't use it?

Link for you

David Gaider wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
So the Imperial Chantry in Tevinter still has a Circle of Magi, except instead of Templars controlling them its simply other mages? So there are no Templars in the Imperial Chantry?

There are indeed Imperial templars. Their primary role is to enforce magical law, and since they are part of the Chantry-- which is controlled by the Circle-- they are thus controlled by the mages. The majority of Imperial templars, however, lack the ability to counter magic. They are primarily soldiers.

Ah, Thank You. While he doesn't say they don't use lyrium specifically, it is greatly implied by the inability to counter magic.

That system sucks! The only people in Tevinter Imperium who can combat enemy mages effectively are other mages? Talk about getting the short straw if you are born without magic in the Imperium.

Eh, still love mages.

[lobi]

Also during loghain fight if blood magic could be seen (even if you won) they would burn you at stake.

[Herr Uhl]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Ah, Thank You. While he doesn't say they don't use lyrium specifically, it is greatly implied by the inability to counter magic.

That system sucks! The only people in Tevinter Imperium who can combat enemy mages effectively are other mages? Talk about getting the short straw if you are born without magic in the Imperium.

Eh, still love mages.

Well, that depends on how said power is used. As long as you're not an elf it seems ok.

And not being able to shoot lightning should always be considered a drawback.

Edit: Unless you happen to be Qunari that is.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 30 septembre 2010 - 01:21 .

[Daerog]

lobi wrote...

when blood magic is used the only blood effect is seen on PlayerChar no one else sees it which is why cannot tell blood mage by sight

Ok, we'll just say that all tevinter mages in game were blood mages, as they probably were if I pull out the toolset or something. The possession thing is still against Imperium law, as they don't see magic as bad, but the controlling of others as bad. Also, I will just say that I doubt all mages in the Imperium have just decided to all be blood mages and use life force to power spells. They have used lyrium since they conquered the elves and they also used blood magic then. Don't see why they won't continue to use lyrium.

Anyway, you were right about the Imperial Templars not using lyrium and I thank you for mentioning it as I haven't read that thread before. Cheers to you!

[lobi]

Tevinters like money, lyrium is obtained by dwarves, dwarves like money a lot, blood magic requires no money. any questions?

[Herr Uhl]

lobi wrote...

Tevinters like money, lyrium is obtained by dwarves, dwarves like money a lot, blood magic requires no money. any questions?

Slaves cost in upkeep or buyers fee. And I don't think that blood magic is that rampant there.