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Post Mass Effect 3? Marriage to Liara and live peacefully on the Asari home world.

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uberdowzen wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

I really don't want any more ME games after ME3. My main issue is that if the Reapers are defeated (not a certainty I guess) then they'd have to come up with some new threat and that'd either lessen the evilness of the Reapers or never live up to them. Bioware should move on to another universe when the trilogy is finished.

Yet I bet you'd still buy a new ME game if they released one lol

Seriously though, obviously defeating the Reapers is a massive task but Bioware can do whatever they want. The Krogan could find a cure for the Genophage and make a massive army that the other races need to defend against or the Turians could mobilise against humanity after further troubles. There are plenty of things they could do and I really hope to see more.

Anyone who disagrees can just not buy the game, although if it has Mass Effect in the title, I doubt that will happen.


If Bioware did another Mass Effect game after ME3 I probably would buy it, but my purchase would be tinged with dissapointment. Even though Mass Effect is an awesome universe I really want to see Bioware make more worlds. Playing a sequel to a game you love is great, exploring a new universe is better.


I'm fine with the Mass Effect universe, thank you very much. If people kept frog hopping from one universe to the next, even if one universe was rich and fleshed out (like Mass Effect), then you'd wind up with a million games with half-baked lore. If it ain't broke don't fix it, and the ME universe ain't broke. My message to Bioware: don't be afraid to start new series in a new universe, but don't abandon the old ones either.

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We should play as the Reapers, waiting in dark space for Sovereign to open the Citadel Relay. It'll be like The Darkspawn Chronicles for Dragon Age, except it'll be called... wait for it... The Reaper Chronicles.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 15 septembre 2010 - 02:29 .


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Zan Mura wrote...

Honestly, there are few things I hate as much as continuing a story past its intended age and purpose just for the sake of more cash. Regardless of how much I currently love the ME series, aside from some potential DLC's even long after ME3, I would rather not see it continued.

ME was about Shepard and her crew, I don't want a game focused in the ME universe without them. And with them it would probably seem overdone and rehashing the same old. It's precisely because I love the story and characters of ME that I would rather have BW focus fully on an entirely new saga. Again with a new story, new characters, completely new gameplay etc.

I'm not saying that returning to ME would absolutely be a mistake. No doubt BW could make it work. And heck, I'd be insanely thrilled to see a continuation of BG2 / JE / KOTOR after all this time, no doubt the same will apply to ME in the future as well. But for now, three games + all the DLC is a lot of games of one subject.

But if, and I'm saying IF there was to be a new story in the ME world where you didn't play Shepard, I would like something very different from Shep's story. I would like a fundamentally different type of character. Someone who was not all hero and epic power and influence, who was just some little more than an ordinary guy or gal in the wrong place at the wrong time, and played a small yet vital role in some event in the galaxy. I imagine a scene where the player character would witness Shepard and her team in action in a beautiful cinematic displaying their incredible power and ability from an outside point of view. And I imagine that your playable character should be someone who would never reach the power that Shepard is. After all, Shepard is drawing quite close to the equivalent of the BG2 protagonist: a virtual God. So what I would like is a story that sometimes crossed with Shepard and her actions, but one that would not go beyond it in power or significance.

I still prefer a completely different setting and new story & characters altogether though.


Mass Effect is about ALOT more than just Shepard. It has much more depth than the average, run of the mill rpg. I'd want to see a KOTOR 3 too, but thats unlikely to happen because of TOR. Mass Effect has much more potiential than just 3 games and some DLCs.

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Protecting the universe as Shepard and his/her LI's Child, all grown up.

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Mr. Man wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

If Bioware did another Mass Effect game after ME3 I probably would buy it, but my purchase would be tinged with dissapointment. Even though Mass Effect is an awesome universe I really want to see Bioware make more worlds. Playing a sequel to a game you love is great, exploring a new universe is better.


I'm fine with the Mass Effect universe, thank you very much. If people kept frog hopping from one universe to the next, even if one universe was rich and fleshed out (like Mass Effect), then you'd wind up with a million games with half-baked lore. If it ain't broke don't fix it, and the ME universe ain't broke. My message to Bioware: don't be afraid to start new series in a new universe, but don't abandon the old ones either.


I do think there should be more ME games after ME3, I just don't want them to be the focus. They could even wait a few years and do other things (e.g. new universes) and then come back to it when excitement has built up again like Paramount did with Star Trek.

I'd like to use Star Trek as a good example actually. Paramount milked Star Trek dry and then had to abandon it because the quality had just dropped so appallingly (I'm looking at you Enterprise) and no one wanted to watch it any more. A few years later they did the movie and that was great but I'd like Bioware to take a break from ME before they get to the crap stage.

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Well, the Mass Effect games come out every 2-3 years (not counting 3 hour DLCs) while Star Trek was on every week. And that wasn't even the problem. The problem was, as you said, the quality (BTW I hated the new movie :)). As long as BW keeps the quality up (and right now with the DLCs they are actually still improving), they can milk the franchise as much as they want. Keep the quality up and I'll be happy to buy one ME game after another.

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Mr. Man wrote...

Mass Effect is about ALOT more than just Shepard. It has much more depth than the average, run of the mill rpg. I'd want to see a KOTOR 3 too, but thats unlikely to happen because of TOR. Mass Effect has much more potiential than just 3 games and some DLCs.


It's kinda like Star Wars has a lot more than just the Jedi. But the cold hard fact is that the Jedi is the thing that counts. Anyway, I'm not even trying to argue that the ME world couldn't support more adventures with different characters. Of course it can. In fact, someone could argue that the *less* developed a world is, the more room there is to create new content for it to better suit the new adventures. Still, this isn't about that.

It's just that where I absolutely love the ME series and have no doubt that BW of all the teams in the world is the one that could easily make a continuation work to any story anyway, I want to see something different. I don't want it to be all Mass Effect and Dragon Age, I want more. I want a new story, a new setting altogether.

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Zan Mura wrote...

Mr. Man wrote...

Mass Effect is about ALOT more than just Shepard. It has much more depth than the average, run of the mill rpg. I'd want to see a KOTOR 3 too, but thats unlikely to happen because of TOR. Mass Effect has much more potiential than just 3 games and some DLCs.


It's kinda like Star Wars has a lot more than just the Jedi. But the cold hard fact is that the Jedi is the thing that counts. Anyway, I'm not even trying to argue that the ME world couldn't support more adventures with different characters. Of course it can. In fact, someone could argue that the *less* developed a world is, the more room there is to create new content for it to better suit the new adventures. Still, this isn't about that.


Well, I'd say the novels prove otherwise. I SW the conflict between the Jedi and the Sith defines the universe and their respective systems (Republic vs. Empire) are mere reflections. In ME, Shepard's story and his/her fight against the reapers does not define the galaxy, in fact hardly anyone apart from your team is aware of it. And there are conflicts that don't involve Shepard, like the fate of the Biotics among Humans, the Salarians and the Krogans or the war between the Quarians and the Geth. Of course, Shepard touches these issues as he goes along (which is why the player learns about them) but he is not the central figure (unless of course he becomes in ME3, we don't know that yet). So the potential for diverse independent stories that are interesting in their own right is far greater in Mass Effect IMO.

It's just that where I absolutely love the ME series and have no doubt that BW of all the teams in the world is the one that could easily make a continuation work to any story anyway, I want to see something different. I don't want it to be all Mass Effect and Dragon Age, I want more. I want a new story, a new setting altogether.


Fair enough, I can understand that (though I may not necessarily agree).

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I think it's hard to say at this point, because we have no idea how ME3 will end. For all we know, the Reapers could in fact wipe out organic life again...which I guess could set up to play some other rise of organic life...but that to me would seem silly, because there would be no really twist, as we know they would find the relays, citidal, etc..

Who knows...I really can't say for sure what I would like until the conclusion of the triology. I do know that I would like Shepard's story to end with ME3. Whether or not they refer to him in future games, I don't mind, but I don't think we should play him or explore his story anymore.

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I wouldn't like it if Shepard was removed completely, just as a playable character. It would be kind of neat to have your Shepard take over for Cerberus from the Illusive Man and attempt to mend that organization's relations with other species. The new character could be some kind of Cerberus agent working for an aged Shepard. Or Shepard could take over on the Council spot of Udina/Anderson. Or be the object of a mission.  Just as long as he's not removed completely, I'd be satisfied.

An RTS could be cool. There are quite a few species to choose from.

The biggest issue might be coming up with a good enough antagonist. It might feel a bit underwhelming to go from defending the galaxy from the Reapers to preventing another war with the Turians or playing as a Salarian in a conflict between them and the Krogan. That's just me, though.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 15 septembre 2010 - 06:58 .


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I'm leaning towards a game that's set several centuries after ME3; far enough out that most of the immediate effects of the trilogy's finale would have been blunted by time. I think it would be the only way we would have a post-ME3 game without having set a definitive canon.

I would also really like an RTS.

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 What I'd like to see in Mass Effect 3: Shepard in the council (alone if you were a Renegade, basically the tyrant of the Citadel; together with the turian, asari and salarian councilmembers, plus Tali and Wrex ;) if you were Paragon), Joker admiral of the 5th fleet, Anderson/Udina ambassador and Ashley/Kaidan the spectre you occasionally run into and with whom you can have a relationship, which would seriously ****** Shepard off :P
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It depends how the third one finishes. I would kind of like to see the Reapers defeated but the mass relay system shattered leaving hundreds of isolated worlds. New technology would need to be developed, but the more remote systems would be impossible to reach for now. That way it can be set in the future (100 years or so) but in some ways with a technology reduction. Longer living species would still have characters alive and would be interesting seeing the same Asari characters surrounded by new faces. They should stick with the ARPG genre imo. It is working well. Definately not RTS unless they have some very good ideas, that is a very stale genre.

Yeah, that could be cool. The ruins of the once powerfull galactic empires would be a great setting. But I think Shepards story should stop at ME3, let's end his/her story when it's best with the defeat of the reapers.
How about something like DAO? Playing a quarian, turian or krogan origin story would be interesting.

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I want games that continue the Universe maybe play as other species etc with the focus on something different,



Prequels might be awesome too, with the krogan war, rachni war, seeing the Reapers be born and start their long genocides.



However I don't want Shepherds story to end with the reapers. I'm a fan of on going series - such as the discworld series which doesn't retire characters but gives them new challenges in different area's. The main factor is making the stories engaging, and exciting. It doesn't always need to be the big bad trying to destroy the galaxy.

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My concern would be that Shepard in any future versions of ME, would cast too big a shadow over the central character. I mean if the world needs saving it wouldn't make sense to call [enter new characters name here] just call Shepard

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Major Truth wrote...

My concern would be that Shepard in any future versions of ME, would cast too big a shadow over the central character. I mean if the world needs saving it wouldn't make sense to call [enter new characters name here] just call Shepard

Base it 50 years in the future when Shepard is an old, besides, Shepard can't be everywhere at the same time.

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I think they just stick to Shepard. Any new protagonist will be compared to Shepard even if you could play different race. Just call first 3 ME as "Reapers" trilogy and then make up some new enemy that is even worse than Reapers for follow ups

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archiev1976 wrote...


I think they just stick to Shepard. Any new protagonist will be compared to Shepard even if you could play different race. Just call first 3 ME as "Reapers" trilogy and then make up some new enemy that is even worse than Reapers for follow ups

What can be worse than hundreds/thousands of Dreadnought sized sentient ships?

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robtheguru wrote...

archiev1976 wrote...


I think they just stick to Shepard. Any new protagonist will be compared to Shepard even if you could play different race. Just call first 3 ME as "Reapers" trilogy and then make up some new enemy that is even worse than Reapers for follow ups

What can be worse than hundreds/thousands of Dreadnought sized sentient ships?


Kaidan coming back from the dead and trying to talk with you

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Major Truth wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

archiev1976 wrote...


I think they just stick to Shepard. Any new protagonist will be compared to Shepard even if you could play different race. Just call first 3 ME as "Reapers" trilogy and then make up some new enemy that is even worse than Reapers for follow ups

What can be worse than hundreds/thousands of Dreadnought sized sentient ships?


Kaidan coming back from the dead and trying to talk with you

I'd put him in a ship and have EDI fly it at FTL right into a star.

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The more that I think about I just can't see Shepard eliminating the reapers. What I can see happening is him sealing them in dark space and eliminating any agents etc



That would then leave the door open for their return or attempted return in future mass effects

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I hope they let it rest for a while and try to not milk it / run it into the ground (unlikely though). Star Wars would've been better without the prequels and probably without all the extended universe crap too. Sure, I love Mass Effect so I want more but I know that it will eventually just lead to everything being diluted. It's almost always better to leave people with a desire for more than giving them an endless stream of stuff.

They're probably going to do an MMO and I'm probably going to end up caring less about the universe. Part of why the universe is so great atm is all the mysteries, leave it like that instead of explaining everything up to the point where there's nothing interesting left. Show some restraint.

Modifié par kyrieee, 15 septembre 2010 - 02:47 .


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I personally would love to have a Mass Effect space combat rts

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We can look at what Bungie did with their Halo IP. Bungie has no further interest in developping the IP, which has already been spinned-off to at least one studio for the Halo Wars RTS.



Yes, I think non-RPG Mass Effect games are definitely attractive, but I don't expect Bioware will do it themselves. They'll spin those off to studios with solid experience in RTS and spaceship simulations and collect a royalty. This allows them to focus on their core business: CRPG's



It may well be Bioware will call it a mission accomplished and move on to a new, fresh IP, given that anything less than the Reaper threat will pale in comparison to, say, the struggle of Human expansion in the Attican Traverse... but anything is possible.